An honest evaluation of the democrats leadership.

[Corny]

is this website known here?

http://factcheck.org/

i have found it to be quite interesting for a lot of the political "fights".

 

[Kulindahr]

It's true though. If you're consuming too many calories a day increasing your chances of an early death, how can you so easily turn around and blame a government for not knowing when to stop?

Like I said, it's easier to put a fork down than it is to tell people they're not getting anymore unemployment.

His size is information he provided us. Just like my telling people I used to sub teach only for people to use that against me. Hey, I told them that and they used it in much more personal attacks.

There's the ignorance, and disgusting assumption: you attack someone (don't lie to yourself; it was an attack) when you have no knowledge to go on at all. I've had overweight friends who would be hunting for you with lawyers for emotional harm over your remarks, were they on this board, because of your incredible ignorance and cruel assumption.

One of those friends is dead, because there was no treatment that worked for a disorder in which his body sucked every possible calorie from a bite of food and clung impudently to every lipid molecule. And while his body was storing away the fat, it also stowed every toxin it encountered, in those cells -- in fact, if something could be stored in a fat cell, his body kept it.

The other has had his stomach stapled and a section of intestine remove. When we have pizza, I'll have five slices, he'll have one; for me, a two-mile walk on the beach balances things -- but for him it just means his body will suck things out of that one slice more efficiently. His problem is different from the first; his body is in a constant state of believing it's facing starvation, so it makes the most of every bite it gets -- and exercise says calories are being burned, so it strives to hang onto even more.
I stayed with him for three months once, working on the grounds there. I ate three times what he did, and was losing weight. He quit at one (small) bowl of low-fat cereal, one half-sandwich for lunch, and a single skinless chicken breast for dinner.

But if you'd met them, you'd be regarding them as trash because they couldn't "put down the fork". You claim you're going on information given us, but what you're really going on is leaping to conclusions; you've made the equation "size = can't-put-down-the-fork". That's either immaturity or gross prejudice.

 

[Stardreamer]

is this website known here?

http://factcheck.org/

i have found it to be quite interesting for a lot of the political "fights".

I have it and Politifact on my check daily list. Between checking them and just the plain nature of advertisements that I've come to the conclusion there is NO honest candidates running in this election or good choices. I'm voting Libertarian all the way this year.

 

[jackoroe]

It's true though. If you're consuming too many calories a day increasing your chances of an early death, how can you so easily turn around and blame a government for not knowing when to stop?

Like I said, it's easier to put a fork down than it is to tell peope they're not getting anymore unemployment.

His size is information he provided us. Just like my telling people I used to sub teach only for people to use that against me. Hey, I told them that and they used it in much more personal attacks.

In addition to the personal issue you raised, there's the fundamental misunderstanding of the way things are. We get to be critical of government for voracious consumption of our money. It is, after all, our money not the governments. As individuals, we have self ownership. If I decide I want to dine at KFC every single day, or I want to take drugs, or drink too much alcohol, I'm paying for it with my money. It's mine to do with as I please. That means it is nobody's business but mine. That isn't the case with the government. Would you not agree with that comparison?

 

[rareboy]

She lost the majority in the House. The most important part of her job is to keep the majority.

She didnt. She is a failure.

Certainly one of the most vacuous and intellectually dishonest statements ever made.

I checked.

The job description for Republicans may be to make the position all about party and elections, but Pelosi represents something more akin to what was intended originally.

How could that be a failure?

 

[Lostlover]

My point is bigger than your point.

Hehe.


How is it voting in a state like Georgia where your vote doesn't really matter? I guess you can say the same about an Arizonan. But I rationalize my voting as a punch in the face of a teabagger and that I'm voting with my city. My city is pretty damn liberal, it's just Phoenix that's the dead end.

 

[Lostlover]

In addition to the personal issue you raised, there's the fundamental misunderstanding of the way things are. We get to be critical of government for voracious consumption of our money. It is, after all, our money not the governments. As individuals, we have self ownership. If I decide I want to dine at KFC every single day, or I want to take drugs, or drink too much alcohol, I'm paying for it with my money. It's mine to do with as I please. That means it is nobody's business but mine. That isn't the case with the government. Would you not agree with that comparison?

If you want the latest military technology or Social Security benefits that actually put a dent in living expenses, you have to realize it costs money. And since Americans don't like taxes, governments (mostly Republicans) have borrowed and borrowed to pay for these things. You can't say you want the best services and not want to pay for them and then bitch about the deficit created by borrowed money.

You can either raise taxes or cut these services, two things no party has even offered as a solution.

Your response above is overly simplified. People don't like government when it isn't for them. Older people generally don't want Social Security, Medicare or defense cut and these are the biggest liabilities weighing down the future. Rich people don't believe they need most services by the government. So, to them it all can be axed.

All the other not so publicized services that the government takes care of can be terminated. Even the USDA .

And that's a pretty simplified way to look at it. "It's mine to do as I please." Most Social Security recipients have only paid for 3 years worth of Social Security during their employment. Well, please tell the millions of people that are planning retirement with SS that they can now only expect to get what they put in the kitty. Anything after 3 years really isn't "mine" but really the working folks.

And part of your "mine" is the tab on the money we have to pay back China and other lenders for buying US bonds that we sold to pay for services here that people who don't like to pay taxes wanted like the latest Chinook helicopter that won't ever see the light of day after billions of dollars has been wasted in its development.

I'd like to hear how much "mine" do you intend to pay for the Iraq war and the Medicare expansion under Bush. That type of "mine" never gets addressed.

 

[Lostlover]

LL , again you've missed the point

jackoroe was pointing out that your analogy about my personal spending habits and how the govt spends is a poor analogy

Actually it's a perfect analogy. Too many calories and too many IOU's will have terrible consequences.

America is like a fat woman that eats and eats and eats and says she wants to lose weight while gorging on Twinkies. If you really want to lose weight or have smaller government, you're going to have to give up something.

Can't keep eating Twinkies or going into elective wars and not expect heart disease or financial ruin.

Lastly, Jackoroe was talking about doing what he wants with his money. Please tell that to SS recipients that has like an 85% satisfaction rate.

 

[opinterph]

How is it voting in a state like Georgia where your vote doesn't really matter? I guess you can say the same about an Arizonan. But I rationalize my voting as a punch in the face of a teabagger and that I'm voting with my city. My city is pretty damn liberal, it's just Phoenix that's the dead end.

The only way my vote wouldn’t matter is if others in my constituency fail to add their votes to mine. Many of the outcomes in my state will be decided by turnout and when I early-voted last Thursday, there was quite a long line.

There are 31 choices on my General Election ballot this year, including one statewide referendum and three proposals to amend the state constitution. I actually enjoy the process and feel no desire whatsoever to punch anybody in the face. Though my state is considered firmly “red,” there are lots of liberals here. Were it not for gerrymandering, I imagine the state would be considered “purple.” Even if none of my choices wins their respective race, I have done my part to let the politicians and fellow citizens know my preferences. Let’s hope others do the same.

 

[BostonPirate]

Another republican praising democratic bashing thread brought to us by the gentlemen that run JUB.

Sad for so many reasons.

 

[Kulindahr]

Another republican praising democratic bashing thread brought to us by the gentlemen that run JUB.

Sad for so many reasons.

Another knee-jerk reaction post brought to us by ignorance.

Did you bother reading the thread? This is about a Democrat (Brian Baird) criticizing Democrats -- that's what was brought to us by the OP.

So unless you're somehow claiming that the offerings by Opinterph and Corny are meant to praise Republicans....

 

[BostonPirate]

Another knee-jerk reaction post brought to us by ignorance.

Did you bother reading the thread? This is about a Democrat (Brian Baird) criticizing Democrats -- that's what was brought to us by the OP.

So unless you're somehow claiming that the offerings by Opinterph and Corny are meant to praise Republicans....

and another "kuhlindar has passes judgement" post provided by pure arrogance and a failure to think that others may disagree and voice it.

 

[Kulindahr]

and another "kuhlindar has passes judgement" post provided by pure arrogance and a failure to think that others may disagree and voice it.

Now that you've spouted your emotion (again), how about responding to the facts?

A Democrat posted an article where a Democrat criticized Democrats -- that's the facts about this thread.

Three JUB official-type persons posted in this thread -- none of them praised any Republicans.

So, bluntly: your original post was a big fat lie. I tried to say that obliquely. Instead of looking at the facts, you ignored them again.

 

[BostonPirate]

Now that you've spouted your emotion (again), how about responding to the facts?

A Democrat posted an article where a Democrat criticized Democrats -- that's the facts about this thread.

Three JUB official-type persons posted in this thread -- none of them praised any Republicans.

So, bluntly: your original post was a big fat lie. I tried to say that obliquely. Instead of looking at the facts, you ignored them again.

I think you need to back up and think about a few things, the least of which is my opinion.

 

[jackoroe]

Actually it's a perfect analogy. Too many calories and too many IOU's will have terrible consequences.

America is like a fat woman that eats and eats and eats and says she wants to lose weight while gorging on Twinkies. If you really want to lose weight or have smaller government, you're going to have to give up something.

Can't keep eating Twinkies or going into elective wars and not expect heart disease or financial ruin.

Lastly, Jackoroe was talking about doing what he wants with his money. Please tell that to SS recipients that has like an 85% satisfaction rate.

You still don't get it, or you don't want to. Let's try it again. All the money in this country belongs to the people, not the government. We give some to the government to run things that are needed. We use the rest as we see fit, because it belongs to us. If the lady gets fat from eating twinkies, nobody gives a shit except for her. It's her body to do with as she sees fit. If she wants to get slim, good for her, if not that's fine too. But it's nobody's business except for her. Get it?

The government, on the other hand, is pissing my money away and I'm tired of it. I'm tired of them borrowing money from the god damned Chinese to finance their profligate spending. And I get to do something about it, unlike the fat twinkie eating woman. Trillion dollar a year debt isn't going to fly anymore. It's just that simple. We're broke, face it. There's nothing particulary complicated here. When you find yourself in a hole, the first thing you do is stop digging!

 

[jackoroe]

Another republican praising democratic bashing thread brought to us by the gentlemen that run JUB.

Sad for so many reasons.

It's an honest evaluation of the leadership of the democrats, as seen by a retiring democrat. I watched MSNBC's Morning Joe this morning and they had Evan Bayh on. He echoed many of these same sentiments. Bayh is a reasonable person and he knows that it was a mistake to not to focus on jobs by the leadership. It's your guys being critical of the democrat leadership, not republicans. And quite frankly, they are right.

 

[Kulindahr]

You still don't get it, or you don't want to. Let's try it again. All the money in this country belongs to the people, not the government. We give some to the government to run things that are needed. We use the rest as we see fit, because it belongs to us. If the lady gets fat from eating twinkies, nobody gives a shit except for her. It's her body to do with as she sees fit. If she wants to get slim, good for her, if not that's fine too. But it's nobody's business except for her. Get it?

The government, on the other hand, is pissing my money away and I'm tired of it. I'm tired of them borrowing money from the god damned Chinese to finance their profligate spending. And I get to do something about it, unlike the fat twinkie eating woman. Trillion dollar a year debt isn't going to fly anymore. It's just that simple. We're broke, face it. There's nothing particulary complicated here. When you find yourself in a hole, the first thing you do is stop digging!

Liberals generally don't get it; they have the attitude that whatever money the government decides to grab, is its by right. On a deeper level, they think that people belong to the government, too; it's why they regulate without regard for all the lives ruined. For all the talk of individual liberty and rights, by their actions they show that the only liberty they're interested in is their own, and rights are merely privileges granted by government.
May as well expect them to give to charity -- they figure government already did it for them.

 

[Kulindahr]

I'd like to see proof of that.

Tens of thousands of pages of regulations, almost all by liberals -- regulations that shut off private enterprise, creativity, and innovation, regulations that put people out of their homes and punish the poor for being poor... but the point is that the only possible philosophical basis for regulations drafted by unelected hive workers is that those workers own the people.