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An innocent walk . . .

NotHardUp1

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On July 4, John Sexton took his five-year-old son for a walk at 5:30 a.m. in Watonga, Oklahoma, a small town of under 3,000 but nonetheless, the county seat.

Crime in residential neighborhoods is statistically higher late at night and very early in the a.m. Cops on patrol watch for unusual behavior that might be a drug mule making a delivery, a thief prowling through cars or breaking and entering, and even peeping Toms and sexual predators that have more freedom under the cover of darkness.

In this instance, Sexton and his son walking appeared odd. Most residents of a small town would inded find taking a kid out at that hour as an odd behavior. So, the cops stopped Sexton to ask what they were doing. You can judge for yourself whether the cops were inordinately aggressive or not. From my experience, they seemed pretty restrained and almost apologetic.

Mr. Sexton clearly thought the police had no cause or right to detain him to ask. He immediately resisted cooperating with their questioning, which caused further suspicion. Cliche or not, guilty people have something to hide, and innocent ones do not. Most people, especially with a young child, would have tried to understand how it might look to be out at such an hour when theft is a big problem. But, he didn't. He began arguing.

He attempted to use his son as a shield, to shame the cops for the questioning. He became aggressive to the point they arrested him to identify him, or at least detain him in order to do so. The media focused on the fact he was "slammed" to the ground, but it wasn't huge, and cops generally do a little force when met with force to clarify that the encounter isn't a polite conversation at that point, which often works to alert the arrested person that he is subject to police control. It's not called a police force for no reason.

The whole thing blew up, mostly because the kid cried (understandably) and the father looked victimized, so social media ate it up and cries of police brutality and freedom abridged abounded. The cops involved are suspended pending investigation by the state.

But, sometimes a duck is a duck.

John Sexton had three separate sets of arrest warrants active at the time. From three separate counties. Three.

So, just as in any car stop for tags, or crossing the center line, or speeding, the criminal did something more out of fear he would be caught and taken to jail for his open warrants before the stop. This has many times led to chases, deadly crashes, or even dead cops.

Mr. Sexton knew the cops would find his warrants and probably was trying to bluff his way ouf the identification request to get away, yet again. After all, at some point, the county judge issues a bench warrant when you don't appear in court as you promised when they gave you the ticket, else you would have been arreest at the time. In my read, Mr. Sexton's birds had finally come home to roost.

Sadly, his little boy was traumatized, and he's made much of the alleged fact that his son is autistic, although being a private health point, we have no way of knowing if that's true, how severe it is or not, or if it is some mild learning disability rather than social and crippling disability. It appeared he used the child as an excuse and a shield and is now trying to wedge it into a premise for a lawsuit.

The problem with trial by social media is the community uses emotional bias to color the events, when the law is there for a reason. The news media being dismissive of Sexton's traffic violations plays a game that says crime is not crime, it's petty persecution by the state. His traffic offenses were not parking tickets in Oklahoma. Whether he had moving violations, DUIs, unlicensed driving, or uninsured motorist, all those things are threats to public safety and welfare, and repeated arrests indicate his general attitude to law is habitual, not incidental.

He appears to play the martyr while being the problem. This is a pattern in our social media era. Sometimes greater visibility perverts justice, not improves it.

Judge for yourself.

https://www.koco.com/article/watonga-body-camera-body-cam-video-walk-with-son/61667877
 
Apologies for the typos. I was still searching online when I should have been proofreading.
 
I don't really know what to think. It's not illegal to go for a walk a 5:30 in the morning and in July I'm guessing there would be daylight in Oklahoma at that time (there would be here) which must make the walk less suspicious. If the police want to arrest a person, they must have reasonable grounds to believe an offence has been committed, and, failing that, I don't believe they can insist on ID.

Had I been in that position, I would have thanked the police for their concern, stated that no offence had been committed and said that unless they had evidence to the contrary they should go about their business and leave me to enjoy the rest of my walk. Clearly, things were more complicated than that and it does seem that the police didn't moderate their approach to reflect the presence of a small child.

The linked article is not available in the UK btw.
 
Thanks for bringing this to our attention. News reports are often biased, both on liberal and conservative platforms, leaning towards their own agenda. There is often more to the story.
How I long for the old days of reporting, with anchors like Walter Cronkite and David Brinkley. They presented the facts as they knew them, without willful inferenced or omissions.
 
I don't really know what to think. It's not illegal to go for a walk a 5:30 in the morning and in July I'm guessing there would be daylight in Oklahoma at that time (there would be here) which must make the walk less suspicious. If the police want to arrest a person, they must have reasonable grounds to believe an offence has been committed, and, failing that, I don't believe they can insist on ID.

Had I been in that position, I would have thanked the police for their concern, stated that no offence had been committed and said that unless they had evidence to the contrary they should go about their business and leave me to enjoy the rest of my walk. Clearly, things were more complicated than that and it does seem that the police didn't moderate their approach to reflect the presence of a small child.

The linked article is not available in the UK btw.

The questioning is to determine behavior that might be criminal. Police do it every day, including traffic stops during high drinking holidays where their only purposes are to catch drunk drivers before they cause mayhem, and deter others by the visible traffice checkpoint. They are not arresting people, but they are screening.

As to the daylight, the boy is carrying a flashlight and using it, so it is clear that this walk began early enough to be dark. Also, it might be significant if the flashlight was being used to look into car windows to then break in and steal. And yes, they are innocent without crime, but the behavior is certainly within suspicious bounds.

Apologies for the bad link overseas.

Maybe one of these will work:


 
Thanks for bringing this to our attention. News reports are often biased, both on liberal and conservative platforms, leaning towards their own agenda. There is often more to the story.
How I long for the old days of reporting, with anchors like Walter Cronkite and David Brinkley. They presented the facts as they knew them, without willful inferenced or omissions.

Too often facts gets lost in feelings.

The "news" accounts state that the pair were walking on a daily walk at 6 a.m. It was 5:30. That is not immaterial due to daylight. It's also not a fact they checked, so coud have been nothing more than a story the father told to be an alibi. True, maybe he needs no alibi, but maybe there have been overnight thefts. We don't have any of that data, and the news source didn't find out prior to airing the video, nor did the small town police or sherff officers offer any context.

Similarly, we don't know whether there is any autism or its relevance.

We also don't know what the arrest warrants are for. Were they DUI? Were they speeding? Were they driving without a license? Why were they outstanding?

What we do see is the framing of the event in only one dimension: unreasonable detainment and possibly unjustified force. The warrants are dismissed out of hand and made to be irrelevant by the WOCO script. All focus becomes the boy crying and not the father causing the escalation. The father is cast as hapless and innocent, whereas he was literally a criminal in flight from the counties where the active warrants were outstanding.

My irk in this comes from growing up in a household where my mother and her husband were in constant evasion of the law. He failed to pay child support to three different former wives/girlfriends, and constantly took backroads between towns as he drove a circuit to collect and cut up scrap metal. He drank and drove. He threw out litter. He illegally dumped toxic chemicals. He drove without tags. But the cops and the law were always the enemy, not the reverse.

There is a mentality that is increasingly common that the law is a game and beating it is winning. It's wrong in corporate America. It's wrong in the ghetto, and it's wrong when dressed up in family cloaks. Mr. Sexton has contempt for the law, and even if he was doing nothing criminal, his reaction to being questioned was a product of his criminal mindset.

It is also relevant to learn what he does for a living, if anything.

I am against a police state.

I am against illegal search and seizure.

I am against police brutality.

But this was questioning a person on the street who may or may not have been doing something criminal. I do believe anyone on the street in the middle of the night is a valid subject for simply getting questioned. And identification is a crucial element of policing.

How many times have police taken someone's ID and later found out he was the serial killer and they found him in marginal activity like this but didn't know. Yet, the check showed up later after the crime. And having the ID check in the database isn't some unfair profiling. It's simply and event that was not incriminating if nothing else ever happened.
 
Thanks for the extra links.

"I'll take you to jail for failure to ID". Is that legal? I don't believe it would be here.
 
Thanks for the extra links.

"I'll take you to jail for failure to ID". Is that legal? I don't believe it would be here.
Yes and no. The cop is basically making up excuses to ID the guy, but he really didn’t have a legitimate reason for asking. A cop can’t just walk up to you and ask for your ID.
 
A stop-and-frisk refers to a brief non-intrusive police stop of an individual. The Fourth Amendment requires that before stopping the suspect, the police must have a reasonable suspicion that a crime has been, is being, or is about to be committed by the suspect

In this case there’s no reasonable suspicion. Just walking down the street does not constitute reasonable suspicion.
 
Imagine the outrage if a stranger had abducted the boy, was spotted by police at 5:30 am with the child, and they didn't ask for ID.
 
Imagine the outrage if a stranger had abducted the boy, was spotted by police at 5:30 am with the child, and they didn't ask for ID.
Indeed.

And what is the cost to society?

A policeman can ask for identity, and nothing comes of it. No treatment like a sub-human. No racial profiling. No guns-drawn and shouting.

It's a question and an answer of identity. We have no promise of anonymity in the Constitution.

And what sounds like some wonderful sacrosanct right of refusal becomes yet another aid to the habitual criminal. Nine times out of ten when police question someone in a suspicious place, time, or act, they do find out there is criminal intent, likelihood, or a rap sheet. But, as a culture, keep elevating and martyring the criminals like John Sexton, and pretending his theatrics were in response to police brutality, when they were not.

Anecdotes be damned, the popular saying is that "nothing good happens when you're out after 2:00 a..m." or whatever version you've heard. Yes, people are free to party all night. Yes, some people can't sleep. Yes, night owls are just people. But, there is nonetheless a great deal of truth that criminal activities are more common in the night.

And every cop in the land will tell you that teens out past 10 in groups are rarely just having fun and harmless. They will also tell you how rare it is for adults to take children out in the dark hours afoot, unless on an errand of necessity.

Maybe the Sexton boy is autistic. Maybe it's significant. Maybe they do routinely walk in the wee hours for a rational reason. And maybe it's a ruse, an exaggeration, or an obfuscation. The mere fact that it might be either, is enough reason that I'd want the police asking a man walking in the alley behind my house in the dark what his purpose was, and in the manner these police asked, politely and explaining their concern.

They weren't his enemies until he made them so. And his outstanding warrants prove that he already viewed the law as his enemy.

There are many millions of police interactions every day in this country that are uneventful. Out of those millions are a few that involve police misconduct, and even sometimes lethal force. I've spoken against them and loudly when they are shown.

But this anarchist movement that feeds all the crazies, increasing the certainty of citizens shooting cops and refusing lawful directions is a trend that is yet another outgrowth of the Me Generation and the unspoken belief that no one can tell us what to do. It's all well and good when society abandoned public education and insisted schools not have order and discipline, but now it has progressed to the adult population, and it is definitely one of the causes of the mass shootings and stabbings.

People become increasingly enraged when not allowed to do anything at all, or if they even have to acknowledge authorities that they reject. We see it in extremis in things like Trump bumper stickers that read "Still My President" and other moronic rejections of society itself.

We are unravelling and we ourselves are pulling the thread.
 
^ I’d like to see proof of your 9 times out of 10 claim. We don’t let trump make up facts, you can’t either.
 
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