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An old friend/"scar"

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Hi Guys,

So I have this situation that I'm not quite sure how to handle.

I started coming out to my friends my sophomore year of high school. I began with one of my close friends and then started moving from there. However, with my best friend, I had to wait a while to tell him. When I finally did tell him, it was over the phone when he was on vacation in Florida. He seemed very surprised and maybe even a bit different though he told me that it wouldn't matter because we were close friends. So anyway, he comes back from vacation and a couple weeks later, I try talking to him about me coming out (since I used to get very depressed at this point of my life) and he completely shuts me down. He told me not to talk to him about that because he didn't know anything about it and I was better off talking to one of my girl friends about it. I felt extremely upset and betrayed by that so I kind of distanced myself from him just as he was doing with me. After a month of not talking, he called me and started talking to me normally but because I still felt really upset for what he did to me, I talked in a very apathetic way and I remember hearing it in his voice when he realized that I didn't want to talk to him. And that was the very last time we spoke directly to each other.

Fast forward a bit to the end of the year....In a nutshell, what happened was that he told one of my other friends that I was gay and my friend, told my (twin) brother. My brother confronted me about it and we talked and it was cool and all, but I was furious with my former best friend for telling anyone in the first place since my brother found out. I don't know about you, but I wanted to handle things on my own terms with my family so I was really pissed. I signed on to AIM and luckily he was on and we had a good old "internet fight" in which a lot of not so nice things were said and that was the end of it. We parted on terrible terms.

At first, I felt okay about it all. I didn't think of him much or care at all, but as the years passed, I started feeling the loss of a friend like him. To this day, I have never had someone I would consider a "best friend" like he was. I mean, I have close friends, but they have never been able to fill in that spot. Last semester was extremely tough for me for many reasons so I started seeing a therapist at school and one of the main things that we discussed was about my friend, who I guess I'll just refer to as James. You see, while I didn't miss James per-se, I missed having someone like him, who I could spend all week with, having fun, and never getting tired of seeing: a best friend. And while I had gotten over what he did to me long ago, I always felt a bit guilty because I thought that I was partly responsible for having driven a huge wedge between us by not paying much attention to him when he called me that day, in what I felt was an attempt to smooth things over with us. So basically, I felt the loss of having a friend like him and I felt guilty about how things ended up with us. He ended up becoming a pot-head and he moved out from the city and I never heard from him since... until Monday.

So I get a text from my brother on monday saying that our other friend was going to hang out with James, because apparently he came to our city to visit some friends. Seeing this as the perfect opportunity to apologize to him for the way I acted before, I text my friend and told him to give James my number. I had attempted to talk to him about 2 years ago but I never got a reply from him so I wasn't exactly hopeful that he'd actually call me, but he did. We talked for a bit since I was at work and he told me he'd call me tomorrow, and he did.

So we started talking for a bit, filling each other with things going on in our lives since our last conversation almost three years ago. When we eventually got to talking about what happened between us, it got a bit weird. I started getting really nervous so much of what he told me kinda slipped out my head but he began by saying that what happened was his fault because he was stupid to which I replied that I overreacted and I've regretted it since. Now, what he said after was what was odd. I don't know if he was referring to our friendship in the past or if he was referring to the present, but he said something like: it's just me, i can't be comfortable talking to gay people. I wouldn't be able to go to your house and chill there because I'd feel uncomfortable knowing you'd be able to look at me. I was at a loss of words but he then asked me if I was comfortable with myself and I told him I was more than comfortable and he said that was all that mattered.

I'm really confused because after we talked about that, we started talking about other things in a very casual manner and as we did years ago. In a way, I feel a little better knowing that we both apologized to each other and I, at least, don't feel that guilt anymore since in the end (years later) we were able to talk like friends again. However, I was hoping we could reestablish our friendship and be really close again, something that would help me GREATLY, but because of what he said, I don't know if that's even a possibility.

I plan on asking him if he really feels that way when it comes to seeing me as a gay guy. I feel like I didn't explain much about the depression I often feel because of the lack of a real friendship (like the one I had with him); it does greatly upset me so reconnecting with him might help that. But how can I possibly try befriending someone who would be uncomfortable with me? If that's how he really feels, should I even bother? :confused:

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Shit like that is so narrow minded it's stupid.

Okay, I can get that it creeps someone out to be looked at by an "on-looker". Then how the hell are women supposed to feel like, huh dude?

He needs to get over himself. I'm more generous than most in that you give him a chance and make it clear to him that he's not thinking right. You might look at him?

But really, I would say most people on here would say NEXT.
 
There is obviously a big issue that could get in the way of re-establishing the friendship. While I wouldn't make a huge issue out of it with him, I do think you should talk to him about it. Next time you talk to him, say that you have some concerns about something he said last time. Tell him what it was, then explain to him that you are only interested in other gay guys. That you don't go around lusting after straight guys. You only want to have sex with guys who want to have sex with you. Tell him that thinking of him in a sexual way would be like him thinking about his sister or mother in that way. After you have that conversation with him, give him a little time to get adjust and accept the situation. If he continues with the BS, then it's time to move on.
 
As a friend I would find it odd/offensive that you could not or would not tell me in person. As friend you share all sorts of things that other are not. Then it was an automatic assumption that he would accepted you immediately without question without giving him a chance to come to terms with this news. The important thing here is the friendship and if it takes him a year to come to terms with it then so be it.

When James did start to talk to you to re-establish the friendship regardless of how long it took you were offended because he tried to come to terms with you being Gay and he felt uncomfortable around Gays. Instead it could have been a learning process for you both. The only way I would know how to be comfortable around someone I would be to educate them that you are not interested get into their pants.

How badly do you want a friendship because unless you both sort out and come to terms with the you differences quickly all may be lost forever.
 
Oh God.

Why do you bother?

He isn't actually a friend.

Get over him and move on. You don't have to keep flogging a dead horse.
 
Back when I was in college, my friend came by my dorm room to visit me. I had opened up my boom box, and had electronics spread all over the floor. My friend asked me what was going on. I said, "Well, the belt is slipping again, so I'm seeing if I can tighten that up. And the servo that keeps the play button engaged is starting to go, but I found I can push the fast-forward button and the play button at the same time, and then stick a nickel between them, and that makes it work MOST of the time. Now I just want to see if I can get the high end back on this speaker."

My friend said, "Dude, why don't you just go buy another boom box?"

I stopped, looked up at him for a minute...and then we got up, went to Target, and bought a new boom box.

...Dude, why don't you just go buy another boom box?

Lex
 
Hey guys,

Thank you for all the feedback; I really appreciate it.

Spencer-- I completely agree with you that saying something like that is stupid. When I told him that I was more than comfortable with myself now, I meant that I won't take ANYTHING from ANYONE about sexuality. When he told me that thing about being uncomfortable, I couldn't reply to him but that was more because of shock than about not standing up for myself. I'm an extremely generous person so I guess I would be like you in believing that I might be able to make him see things otherwise and our old friendship is the only thing that makes me consider trying to patch things up with him. If it wasn't for that, I'd be quick to defend myself and not care if I offend him in the process.

Backpacker-- Thank you for the advice. I'm not the type of person to make a big deal out of everything so I was planning on easing into a conversation where we would be able to discuss it further. The analogy of the mother sister thing is pretty interesting!

Fabfairy-- You're absolutely right that I should have told him in person but the way it happened, it was almost out of my control. I don't know about you, but when I first started coming out to people, I already knew that I wanted to come out to them and it was just a matter of finding the perfect opportunity to do that. It just so happened that while we talked on the phone when he was on vacation, our conversation (which was about how strong our friendship was) led me to tell him. And I know that on that day that I rejected him for rejecting me, I should've been more willing to hear him out to see if there was anything he wanted to say. That has been my biggest guilt till recently. Had I known I would've felt terrible for doing that to him, I would've never done it. And to answer your final question, I'm not sure if I want him as a friend as bad as I want the level of friendship that I had with him.... does that make sense?

Rareboy-- You're right; if he thinks that way now, he clearly isn't a friend and he hasn't been a friend all these years so I shouldn't be so confused about it. However, it's just in my nature to want to hope to patch things up.

Lex-- Thank you for the great analogy! Technically, I could go buy another boom box, but when it comes to friends, it's not that easy. Unfortunately, real friendships can't be bought. Besides, I'm neither wealthy nor depressed enough to pay someone for their services haha. :P

So guys, I didn't hear from him today. I'm pretty sure I won't be calling him since if he decided to call me, it'll be a possible sign that he might feel as conflicted as I feel. Thanks again for the input; I'll keep you updated.
 
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