And Let's not forget about the other Deplorables

[ClubLevelVegan]

The article clearly states he attended designated training that resulted in him being given a "Ranger" insignia on his uniform, which may not be the Ranger Division, but is a type of Ranger nonetheless.

He was unquestionably a decorated veteran serving in the theaters he cited, so semantic parsing of his Divisional status looks like desperate hacking.

When actual Army Rangers are calling him out in this stuff, I think I am going to weigh their assessment way more legitimately than yours that this is nothing more than desperate hacking. He lied and embellished his service, plenty of people do that when they serve.

 

[rareboy]

Welcome to 2021 where lying is a feature, not a bug.

Madison Cawthorn [R-NC] was recently elected to replace Mark Meadows' seat in Congress. Seems that he also has a habit of overstating things in his rather thin biography.

• Rep Cawthorn has claimed repeatedly that he trained for the Paralympics. Real paralympians say they had never heard of him.
• He said he was going to compete in the Tokyo olympics. He wasn't.
• Cawthorn ran ads saying that he had been accepted to the Naval Academy "before tragedy struck" and he was in an accident that left him paralyzed. The truth is that he had been turned down by the Naval Academy before the accident.
• In 2020, Madison Cawthorn claimed that he worked full-time for Mark Meadows. He didn't.

Cawthorn is straight up Nazi.

He is another sociopath hiding in plain sight because he needs the protection and screen that being a pretty boy with a sob story in the public eye provides.

This isn't the worst we are going to hear about this POS.

 

[NotHardUp1]

When actual Army Rangers are calling him out in this stuff, I think I am going to weigh their assessment way more legitimately than yours that this is nothing more than desperate hacking. He lied and embellished his service, plenty of people do that when they serve.

He wasn't elected by candlelight, and any objections to his branding or claims could have been aired then. As I said, it would have had no effect on any Republicans supporting him in the least.

Parsing with a fine blade 75th Ranger vs. simply a war hero who had been a lesser Ranger is hardly a wound, or even a proven falsehood. If he had said the same on a university application or a job resume, the evidence hardly seems specific enough to even have his assertion rejected as false.

This is being spun up to intimate it is some huge lie or even intentional misrepresentation. His public record was there to be found when he left the military. If the military itself believed he had misrepresented his record, it could have certainly spoken up and asked him to desist from calling himself a Ranger. But they didn't. And his claim hasn't even been proven to be intentionally misleading -- that is only an accusation.

If he had appropriated the insignia of the 75th, or promoted pictures of himself with those kind of Rangers, then there might be some case to present.

As it is, this is just hack propaganda, trying to chop away at the growing tree in case he is the rising star with Trump out of the way (seemingly.)

This is the politics of personal assassination and exactly what Biden has asked that Americans stop doing. However, it has been the weapon of choice on JUB for a long time, since at least the G. W. Bush Administration, so it continues.

It should be called out as quickly as any of Trump's lies, as it is born of the same venom spewing both ways. It's not a criticism of policy, or practice, but a smear campaign, not dissimilar to the birthers.

 

[rareboy]

Brandon Straka...the homocon hairdresser who started the ridiculous and apparently not so successful 'Walk Away' movement has been charged in connection with the Capitol riots.

In June of last year he was banned from American Airlines for refusing to wear a mask.

His Walk Away Movement page has been banned by Facebook on Jan 8th after the failed insurrection.

I guess he'll have to go over to Parler...oh wait.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/brand...ivist-banned-from-airline-is-charged-in-riots

https://www.ketv.com/article/fbi-ag...for-actions-during-us-capitol-attack/35311895

 

[rareboy]

As will Mike Lindell.....Twitter had had enough of this crypto-fascist.

Twitter’s civic integrity policy prohibits posts that “may suppress participation or mislead people about when, where, or how to participate in a civic process.”

So I guess that puts a pillow over his facehole for awhile and may keep him from using this 'stolen election' narrative as the basis for a run for governor of Minnesota.

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/535817-my-pillow-ceo-banned-by-twitter

 

[KaraBulut]

There is no such thing as a "lesser" ranger.

Oh my, a liar liar pants on fire is definitely deserved - if 'pus are willing to vote for liars, well that's on them isn't it.

It kind of reminds me of that State Department staffer - Mina Chang - who stated on her resumé that she was an alumna of Harvard. The truth was she took a 7 week workshop course at Harvard.

I got my First Aid Eagle Scout badge, so I'm going to say I'm a paramedic when I run for office.

 

[ClubLevelVegan]

He wasn't elected by candlelight, and any objections to his branding or claims could have been aired then. As I said, it would have had no effect on any Republicans supporting him in the least.

Parsing with a fine blade 75th Ranger vs. simply a war hero who had been a lesser Ranger is hardly a wound, or even a proven falsehood. If he had said the same on a university application or a job resume, the evidence hardly seems specific enough to even have his assertion rejected as false.

This is being spun up to intimate it is some huge lie or even intentional misrepresentation. His public record was there to be found when he left the military. If the military itself believed he had misrepresented his record, it could have certainly spoken up and asked him to desist from calling himself a Ranger. But they didn't. And his claim hasn't even been proven to be intentionally misleading -- that is only an accusation.

If he had appropriated the insignia of the 75th, or promoted pictures of himself with those kind of Rangers, then there might be some case to present.

As it is, this is just hack propaganda, trying to chop away at the growing tree in case he is the rising star with Trump out of the way (seemingly.)

This is the politics of personal assassination and exactly what Biden has asked that Americans stop doing. However, it has been the weapon of choice on JUB for a long time, since at least the G. W. Bush Administration, so it continues.

It should be called out as quickly as any of Trump's lies, as it is born of the same venom spewing both ways. It's not a criticism of policy, or practice, but a smear campaign, not dissimilar to the birthers.

Calling out Politicians on their lies is not character assassination. Again, you are putting this guy up on a pedestal for no reason and people more qualified than you are calling him out on his lies when it comes to being what he said he was. When people are more experienced than you in a position, you listen rather then continually act like you know more than them. He embellished his service, lots of Veterans do that, people in general do that but it is still not the truth.

 

[KaraBulut]

The FBI is putting together a nice webpage with pictures of the Capitol insurrectionist deplorables.

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/capitol-violence

If you have photo or video images to share depicting rioting and violence at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021, please note that in the electronic tip form. Please include in your tips as much information as possible, such as the name of the person, contact information—including where that person may live—the number associated with the individual if seen on one of the Seeking Information posters, and any other identifying information. Our goal is to preserve the public’s constitutional right to protest by protecting everyone from violence and other criminal activity.

You may also call to verbally report tips and/or information related to this investigation.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Calling out Politicians on their lies is not character assassination. Again, you are putting this guy up on a pedestal for no reason and people more qualified than you are calling him out on his lies when it comes to being what he said he was. When people are more experienced than you in a position, you listen rather then continually act like you know more than them. He embellished his service, lots of Veterans do that, people in general do that but it is still not the truth.

For lies, true, but that's a bit slight of hand. Cotton isn't proven to have lied at all. His words are being stretched to make a claim that he MUST have been deceptive, implying he'd need to. Honestly. It's so illogical, which is why it is being challenged. He is a good politician, a good speaker, a native son, and was a decorated veteran. It's not like being a Navy Seal or Army Ranger would bring in votes that he wouldn't have gotten already on his record. The implication that he'd need to is so inept, that it gives away the propaganda.

But people cranking out propaganda miss things like that. They are more concerned with churning and producing that they forget their own lies don't necessarily make sense when anyone not already in agreement with them, or blind with rage at the opposition, will proceed to actually THINK about the allegation.

But you go ahead and keep praising these propagandists, these hacks. They're experienced. They alone know how to evaluate officials, and we should all tiptoe around these Great and Powerful Oz folks.

Keep beating the drum to divide and drive the country even lower. Valid criticism of policy is always germane, but personal attacks simply to keep the pot boiling are not valid substitutes for relevant points.

Me? I'll continue to read and agree with or not what you, Karabulut, Salon, or anyone else promotes, then use good reason to weigh its merits, as all of us should.

 

[KaraBulut]

I'll believe it when I see it. Not going to hold my breath that the time they serve (if any) would be equal to a BIPOC who committed the same type of crimes.

And so, it continues now that the threat of pardon is gone...

Probe of Capitol riot swells further [Politico]

Law enforcement has identified more than 400 suspects and has brought federal criminal charges against over 150 people for actions related to the storming of the Capitol by protesters seeking to block the certification of President Joe Biden’s win in the November election, officials said Tuesday.

In the first public update on the probe since Biden’s inauguration, a top prosecutor and FBI official said a central focus of investigators at the moment is violence against police officers who were beaten or crushed while seeking to hold the line against the rioters.

“You will see a geometric increase in cases related to assault on police officers,” acting U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia Michael Sherwin told reporters on a conference call.

 

[ClubLevelVegan]

And we will see how long they're actually put away for. I guess I forgot to mention that it would make sense that they would take this incident a little more serious, since Police Officers were actually hurt and killed (but also showed up for the insurrection). Some things in that article that don't really sit well, they seem to be ignoring the aspect where there were Congress people who aided the insurrectionist. Which at the end of the day, if you're not going for those individuals, what does this actually accomplish? If you don't go for the people that literally let them walk through the door, then these arrests for the people who raided the Capitol are just a band-aid over a gaping wound.

 

[rareboy]

As has been pointed out...an attempted insurrection and coup without consequences is just a practice run.

 

[NotHardUp1]

The cowardice of the Senate is in line with what I was apprehensive about.

If the GOP is not willing to decry outright insurrection, to admit its Generalissimo attempted a coup, then it is unrepentant, and it holds too many seats in the government to be run out.

That spells dissolution and war ultimately. It won't be regional like the last one, but it's coming.

Congressman Mo Brooks is defiantly standing and claiming his polls are even up after his rants and incitement. He was given a standing ovation at a women's GOP meeting just last Wednesday right here in Huntsville. He's a criminal.

Of course, his brand of politics DOES represent Alabama accurately. Judge Roy Moore ordered counties to defy the US Supreme Court and deny same-sex marriage applications. When he ran for office and lost, he alleged voter fraud. Governor Bentley was in the process of being impeached (by a Republican legislature) in 2017 before I arrived here, and was forced to resign and was convicted of crimes.

So, Mo Brooks knows of what he speaks when he rails against the law of the land and asserts his sectarian view over the Constitution. He's in "good" company.

We're doomed as a nation.

 

[Alistair]

The article clearly states he attended designated training that resulted in him being given a "Ranger" insignia on his uniform, which may not be the Ranger Division, but is a type of Ranger nonetheless.

He was unquestionably a decorated veteran serving in the theaters he cited, so semantic parsing of his Divisional status looks like desperate hacking.

He would receive not one vote less from anyone who was voting based on his military service.

As for accusations of lying, that would need to be backed up with some sort of evidence of him specifically claiming to be in the 75th. Until and unless that is proven, interpreting his words to mean that is pure, or should I say, impure propaganda. The hate continues.

He was in the U.S. Army, he was designated a Ranger through formal training, and his uniform said so, and he served in the campaigns referenced. His military service was a public record, and when he ran from office, he was fresh out of the service. There wasn't any need to gild the lily.

There is no such thing as a "lesser" ranger.


Oh my, a liar liar pants on fire is definitely deserved - if 'pus are willing to vote for liars, well that's on them isn't it.

This explains the difference in “Rangers”

https://www.quora.com/What-are-all-...through-RASP-do-you-go-to-Ranger-School-after

I’ve heard of several guys that have been called on claiming they were Rangers when they only went to ranger school. It’s a big difference and any real ranger would be calling them out for lying.

 

[NotHardUp1]

The problem remains the same. When Cotton ran for office, his actual record was public and available, so claiming some deception was promulgated is a bit of sour grapes. Any opponent or debate moderator or investigative reporter could have fought this fight then. It wasn't secret, and not covered up. There is not even anything to actually deny in hindsight.

Claiming it today as if it would have made a difference IF the public even cared, is disingenuous.

Most non-military families have little knowledge of military ranks or the meanings of divisions or regiments or specializations. They see a few movies and that's their perception.

Arkansans don't have any fine discriminating palate for only the purest Ranger wines. He was a decorated war veteran. That was true. Check. He was conservative. Check. He was smart. Check. He made good speeches. Check.

The parsing of rangers vs. Rangers made no difference and makes no difference today. No amount of raving about it from the left and cries of "liar" make it so or are even relevant. He didn't claim something that wasn't true. That is interpreted by those critiquing him, not by something in print or specific.

It's all by implication. That's how guilt by innuendo works.

 

[ClubLevelVegan]

The parsing of rangers vs. Rangers made no difference and makes no difference today. No amount of raving about it from the left and cries of "liar" make it so or are even relevant. He didn't claim something that wasn't true. That is interpreted by those critiquing him, not by something in print or specific.

It's all by implication. That's how guilt by innuendo works.

It makes no difference to you, a person who is not an Army Ranger and therefor has no position over them when it comes to this issue. The problem here is you can't accept that you are wrong even when it comes to cites of people who speak in a position higher than you. Instead of doubling down on being wrong, how about accept the explanations of the people who are in a better position to talk about it.

 

[Alistair]

The parsing of rangers vs. Rangers made no difference and makes no difference today. No amount of raving about it from the left and cries of "liar" make it so or are even relevant. He didn't claim something that wasn't true. That is interpreted by those critiquing him, not by something in print or specific.

You’re still not understand there’s only one Rangers. A person that goes thru ranger school is not in any way a ranger. It’s no difference if they go to sharpshooter school. On their DD214 discharge paper no where will it list they were Rangers. It will list ranger school right along with basic training in the training report. The only soldiers that can call themselves Rangers is someone that completed RASP. RASP is the Ranger assessment selection program. This is the selection required to join the 75th Ranger Regiment. It’s actually against army code of conduct to tell people you're a rank you're not.

This isn’t a left issue. I hear more right wing nut jobs going off about stolen valor.

Sorry you’re just plan wrong. He’s a liar and it’s right to call him out on it. He’s in no way a Ranger.

He received this for passing the school. It’s called a tag.

He would have received the same thing saying sharpshooter if he has went through that.

He did not receive this

This is the Rangers insignia badge. Notice the same tag? That’s because all Rangers must also go through ranger school after the complete RASP.

He said he was a Ranger. He wasn’t. It’s a lie. It’s stolen valor. He should be called on it

Edit: BTW. This information comes from my cousin, a 12 year veteran that was a Ranger for 8 years.

 

[NotHardUp1]

He said he was a Ranger. He wasn’t. It’s a lie. It’s stolen valor. He should be called on it

Edit: BTW. This information comes from my cousin, a 12 year veteran that was a Ranger for 8 years.

You just refuted your own assertion. The "tag" you posted clearly reads "RANGER." It doesn't read, "SNIVELING 2nd CLASS WANNABE WHOM WE LET FIGHT AND DIE BUT ISN'T WORTHY TO SHINE OUR BOOTS!"

It reads "ranger," just like Cotton claimed and just like the military labelled. If ambiguity is a problem, that is on the military, not on the man who earned the label. If anything, it sounds like the Army may be watering down the brand of the Rangers to either add prestige to more troops, or simply because the Army fucks up a lot and always has.

"Stolen valor" is pure histrionics. The senator didn't claim to storm a gunner's nest that he didn't, didn't claim a rank he didn't attain, and didn't aggrandize his service. He's a decorated soldier, and that's valor. He had no need to claim more, and he didn't.

The Rangers can cry in their beers or scream at the TV all day long, but that doesn't change what actually happened in Arkansas' election, or the attempt to make a controversy of it by the losers in that election long after.

It's ironic this is coming from the same factions that lambasted (appropriately) the Trumpists for howling "unfair" after the fact when elections were settled. It's also ill behooves the party that correctly decried flogging Hillary Clinton for years after anything could possibly be relevant about anything she did or didn't do in her career and campaigns.

BEING a Ranger has fuck all to do with whether Cotton's campaign credibly misused the term in his run, or whether he specifically intended to falsify his record. The Ranger insignia clearly include Rgt to indicate that regiment. If at any time Cotton claimed to be in the 75th, then that would be a lie, but he didn't.

As has been repeatedly stated, his record was public. His record in the service was heroic. No one cares whether some prima donna elites in the military pecking order lost their erections when some lesser cock may have erroneously been praised for their reputations.

This isn't Championship Wrestling or Highlander. There can be more than one. The American public doesn't significantly care which uniform men fight and risk their lives and die in defense of the country. Coast Guard, Marines, Air Force and Army all get accolades for actually serving. There isn't a single election that has ever been decided because some poor schmuck was only a decorated corporal but the other guy was a glorious SEAL that put him over the top.

Again the premise is so lame. Add to that the fact that the GOP has shit all over military service during Trump's Administration, repeatedly, and it sorta discredits even the old notion that service matters in the elections.

Noting that Cotton is wrong on policy is right, but traipsing down the path of spreading lies while you're at it is wrong. It was wrong years ago when prolific members of this very forum kept up a guerilla war of it during other administrations, and it's wrong today when it has become more accepted in a "well, THEY'RE doing it on the right, so they deserve everything they get" mentality.

Politics should be focused on facts and positions and records. This is nothing more than an allegation based on an interpretation. Quoting an actual Ranger's opinion on it is akin to going to some guy and asking him "if some P.O.S. raped your sister, shouldn't we castrate him if we catch him?" What a surprise that they'd respond with outrage and resentment. Not.

 

[ClubLevelVegan]

“Politics should rely on facts.... while I deny the facts.” You can stop simping for Tom Cotton already.

 

[rareboy]

Perhaps we can all agree that Tom Cotton is one of the GOP assholes who helped enable Trump and his knuckle dragging base for the last four years...and before that was a gormless fuck whgo helped block Obama at every turn.

As far as I'm concerned he can tell his voters that he is whatever imaginary thing he wants to be that he thinks matters to them.

It doesn't change the fact that he is Deplorable.