And still they don't learn [School Shooting in Winder Georgia]

[cityboy-stl]

Restricting free speech has consequences, don't pretend that it doesn't.
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Also....Hitler is why Europe has laws against hate speech.

 

[rareboy]

Restricting free speech has consequences, don't pretend that it doesn't.
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This is the kind of extremist response that contributes to making any reasonable discussion of restrictions on firearms impossible. It is a lazy go-to by the far right who at one and the same time are literally doing EVERYTHING they can to take away everyone elses' free speech.

Guns are not free speech. Just like an automobile is not free speech.

Automatic weapons are not a first amendment right. They aren't a second amendment right.

 

[rareboy]

If the shooter turns out to be an anti-woke patriot he's set for life. $$$ His commissary will ALWAYS be poppin. Bruh's cell is literally gonna be a bodega. Hot sandwiches, coffee, snacks, toiletrees et cet. He'll be elevated to Lord Rittenhouse status for sure.

I believe you mean Saint Kyle?

 

[peeonme]

This is the kind of extremist response that contributes to making any reasonable discussion of restrictions on firearms impossible. It is a lazy go-to by the far right who at one and the same time are literally doing EVERYTHING they can to take away everyone elses' free speech.

Guns are not free speech. Just like an automobile is not free speech.

Automatic weapons are not a first amendment right. They aren't a second amendment right.

Again you dodge a bullet by making strawman comments about automatic weapons. This thread started about a school shooting, no shooter has used automatic weapons in a school shooting.
Is our quest to look for solutions to this horrible epidemic or to use these senseless events as a means to degrade the freedoms acknowledged in the U.S. constitution?

A politician singing a song that might rankle your feathers has zero, zilch, nada impact on a 14-year-olds mind when he is contemplating a mass shooting. Having access to guns does. Can we or should we take away all guns? It isn't going to happen. Keeping guns out of their hands by making strict laws for those that are dumb enough to leave them unlocked will have an impact. Metal detectors will have an impact. If it works at airports it will work at schools.

Your approach is to use this event to bring down America, not to find a solution to it.

 

[rareboy]

Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

 

[cityboy-stl]

Again you dodge a bullet by making strawman comments about automatic weapons. This thread started about a school shooting, no shooter has used automatic weapons in a school shooting.
Is our quest to look for solutions to this horrible epidemic or to use these senseless events as a means to degrade the freedoms acknowledged in the U.S. constitution?

A politician singing a song that might rankle your feathers has zero, zilch, nada impact on a 14-year-olds mind when he is contemplating a mass shooting. Having access to guns does. Can we or should we take away all guns? It isn't going to happen. Keeping guns out of their hands by making strict laws for those that are dumb enough to leave them unlocked will have an impact. Metal detectors will have an impact. If it works at airports it will work at schools.

Your approach is to use this event to bring down America, not to find a solution to it.

 

[peeonme]

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My right to keep and bear arms has nothing to do with children getting shot, it has everything to do with people being irresponsible. Buying children guns, leaving guns unlocked and unattended and selling guns to people that can't tie their shoelaces gets children shot.
I am not a gun freak, but my answer to the problem is to hold people responsible. Your answer is to use the problem to take away rights. We are not the same.

 

[unloadonme]

Why would anyone want the "right" to own a gun?

 

[cityboy-stl]

My right to keep and bear arms has nothing to do with children getting shot, it has everything to do with people being irresponsible. Buying children guns, leaving guns unlocked and unattended and selling guns to people that can't tie their shoelaces gets children shot.
I am not a gun freak, but my answer to the problem is to hold people responsible. Your answer is to use the problem to take away rights. We are not the same.

What "well regulated militia" do you belong to?

 

[rareboy]

Why would anyone want the "right" to own a gun?

Americans have such a deep seated fear of one another and of their government and institutions that started back in the slave owning days when the second amendment was enacted to permit the slave owners to put down rebellion.

Ammo sexual Americans love their AR15's more than their freedom from being killed by them or the lives of their children. The irony being that Americans are slaves to the gun lobby and industry and live without freedom from fear that had it seeds in the original sin of the the Republic.

And they will go to any lengths necessary to bend the 2nd amendment to mean what it doesn't actually say and to rationalize their gun lust.

By the way. We have the right to own guns in Canada too. https://www.wikihow.com/Buy-a-Gun-in-Canada

And just a note. the majority of illegal guns used in the execution of crimes originate from the US.

According to Criminal Intelligence Service Canada, of guns traced last year that were involved in crimes in Ontario, Canada's most populated province, 73% originated from the United States, with no state having more hits than Texas. Last year, more than 300 guns used in crimes in Ontario were traced back to Texas - nearly ten times as many as five years ago.

I-Team: Hundreds of guns used in crimes in Canada smuggled from Texas

Mexican drug cartels are not the only ones who look to Texas to smuggle guns.

www.cbsnews.com

So we are collateral damage.

For the gun and ammo industry, fear is the great motivator and I'll bet if you look at sales this week, you'll see an uptick in people panic buying more AR 15s and other semi-automatic and automatic weapons. So if you have shares in the mass slaughter industry, every mass shooting is a win/win for your portfolio.

 

[peeonme]

What "well regulated militia" do you belong to?

Once again you prove my point, you use a tragedy that could've been prevented to push an agenda rather than solve a problem. If the 2nd amendment was removed from the constatation today
the government could never remove the guns from the citizens.
Now, tell me, what do you propose to stop school shootings, other than to attack the rights of law-abiding citizens? All I have heard thus far is "America bad!" Your team doesn't really seem to care about these murders, to you and yours it's an opportunity to complain and demean our nation.

 

[rareboy]

Once again you prove my point, you use a tragedy that could've been prevented to push an agenda rather than solve a problem. If the 2nd amendment was removed from the constatation today
the government could never remove the guns from the citizens.
Now, tell me, what do you propose to stop school shootings, other than to attack the rights of law-abiding citizens? All I have heard thus far is "America bad!" Your team doesn't really seem to care about these murders, to you and yours it's an opportunity to complain and demean our nation.

This ridiculous assertion again demonstrates why Americans can't have a sensible discussion about guns.

The majority of 'law abiding' citizens want real reform and controls put on firearms acquisition and safety.

But for some, the gun is America's dick, it seems to represent all they are. As ever, this piece by Bilston is apropos...



This may come as a huge shock, but regarding America's failure with firearm policy as a structural weakness doesn't automatically equate with 'trying to tear the country down'.

It is rather like the rest of the civilized liberal democracies regard the failure of the richest country in the world to sort out and provide affordable universal health care.

It is possible to recognize and love what is the best of America while still hoping that it comes to some common sense recognition of how to make the country safer and freer for everyone, including school children.

 

[EddMarkStarr]

When I look back on my childhood, almost every neighbor was a gun owner. Now I wonder how many of my friends brought guns to school, and nobody knew?

 

[peeonme]

This ridiculous assertion again demonstrates why Americans can't have a sensible discussion about guns.

The majority of 'law abiding' citizens want real reform and controls put on firearms acquisition and safety.

But for some, the gun is America's dick, it seems to represent all they are. As ever, this piece by Bilston is apropos...

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This may come as a huge shock, but regarding America's failure with firearm policy as a structural weakness doesn't automatically equate with 'trying to tear the country down'.

It is rather like the rest of the civilized liberal democracies regard the failure of the richest country in the world to sort out and provide affordable universal health care.

It is possible to recognize and love what is the best of America while still hoping that it comes to some common sense recognition of how to make the country safer and freer for everyone, including school children.

Laws controlling who has access to guns are one thing, banning them is quite another. I am for background checks, also as I have stated before laws that hold people responsible for purchasing guns for felons, children mentally ill or leaving guns around in a home that has children. High capacity clips, and so called assault rifles are on my shit list as well. How ever, feuding about this will not fix the problem.
Metal detectors, see through back packs and other methods can make it much harder to kill school children and should be implemented now. The problem is that it might work! Then what, no more ammo to shoot at how bad America with.

In Oxford Mi., a place that I consider my home town, the murders could have been prevented. All the damn staff had to do was call the police and not the misfit parents. Make it mandatory to lock down a school and do a complete search when a threat might be imminent. Make metal detectors mandatory. But all I hear is "take the guns" and "over my dead body".

I have a son and in the time he was under our roof I wouldn't have allowed a firearm in my house. I have been around friends "I use the term loosely" that were showing off a new gun and passing it around. I wouldn't touch the damn thing. I didn't know if the trigger had been modified, I didn't know if it was loaded or had been used in a crime. I was an armed guard back in my 20's, my prints were taken and are on file somewhere. Maybe people have just gotten to damned dumb.

 

[cityboy-stl]

Once again you prove my point, you use a tragedy that could've been prevented to push an agenda rather than solve a problem. If the 2nd amendment was removed from the constatation today
the government could never remove the guns from the citizens.
Now, tell me, what do you propose to stop school shootings, other than to attack the rights of law-abiding citizens? All I have heard thus far is "America bad!" Your team doesn't really seem to care about these murders, to you and yours it's an opportunity to complain and demean our nation.

Answer my question. To what "well regulated militia" do you belong? That's where your right is.

There is one element common to every single mass shooting. It isn't anything you are trying to divert to. It is the fucking guns.

Turning schools and stores and churches and parks and open air concert venues and parades and movie theaters into maximum security locked down areas is not the answer.

No one wants to ban your hunting rifle or your personal hand gun. Take the semi-automatic, military assault weapons of war out of circulation. There is no legitimate reason for anyone outside of military and law enforcement to need such weapons.

AND DON'T FUCKING TELL ME I DON'T CARE ABOUT THESE MURDERS AND I'M DEMEANING THE NATION. HOW DARE YOU.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Why would anyone want the "right" to own a gun?

It is simply a legacy of the US being a frontier country with lots of open land and hunting common. Also, as America was primarily rural before the 20th century, the owning of firearms was a rather basic security measure when people lived far from towns or sheriffs.

Even today, less than half of Americans own a gun.

And, despite the foaming at the mouth on the left, the nation had millions of guns for hunting and home protection BEFORE the mass shootings began, so the presence of guns in the 19th and 20th centuries didn't equate to rabid killings.

As I have posted repeatedly, the change is in Americans. The fault lies not in our stars, but in us.

If we take away assault weapons, it will reduce mass shootings some, but not eliminate them. And with the number of legal and illegal firearms in the US today, there is no prospect of ever stopping nutters and thugs from getting them.

As a footnote, I should add that I have never owned a gun, and am not aware of anyone using a rifle or shotgun in my immediate circle of aquaintances and family, for violence.

 

[peeonme]

Answer my question. To what "well regulated militia" do you belong? That's where your right is.

There is one element common to every single mass shooting. It isn't anything you are trying to divert to. It is the fucking guns.

Turning schools and stores and churches and parks and open air concert venues and parades and movie theaters into maximum security locked down areas is not the answer.

No one wants to ban your hunting rifle or your personal hand gun. Take the semi-automatic, military assault weapons of war out of circulation. There is no legitimate reason for anyone outside of military and law enforcement to need such weapons.

AND DON'T FUCKING TELL ME I DON'T CARE ABOUT THESE MURDERS AND I'M DEMEANING THE NATION. HOW DARE YOU.

You don't have to belong to a "militia" to own a gun. I wouldn't want to be around that crowd today. You do know that hunting rifles and shot guns are available as semi-automatics, don't you? A semi automatic .22 rifle kills as well as an assault rifle. The Oxford school shooter used a personal hand gun. I have had 3 friends killed with guns, 2 were with shot guns, 1 was with a pistol. I have had 5 guns pulled on me, all were pistols. 3 were cops that thought I'd try to rob a store.
No assault rifles, big surprise.

Obviously, you have no clue as to what a "maximum security lock down" is. Metal detectors are a passive means of keeping guns out of airports, courthouses and schools. Other measures are available as well. In a perfect world people wouldn't kill others, in case you haven't yet noticed, the world isn't perfect. Do you really believe it's feasible to take any guns "assault weapons" or just plain old pistols, rifles and shotguns from people? Do you have an inkling as to how many guns are out there? Sure, ban the sale, there are plenty for deranged asshole to get a hold of. Also take in to account that we really aren't too good at keeping goods of any kind from being smuggled in to our nation.

Keep in mind that as we go back and forth on this there are probably several young men that already have some type of gun and they are contemplating when to "get even" with the system.
I will believe that you care when you come up with a rational idea other than "take the fucking guns".

 

[LeicsDom]

Now, tell me, what do you propose to stop school shootings, other than to attack the rights of law-abiding citizens?

Change the laws. Simple. 90% of Americans have no legitimate reason to hold firearms any more.

 

[unloadonme]

It is simply a legacy of the US being a frontier country with lots of open land and hunting common. Also, as America was primarily rural before the 20th century, the owning of firearms was a rather basic security measure when people lived far from towns or sheriffs.

If historical legacy is all that it is, then, like every other good Englishman, I'd be walking around today armed with a longbow and a quiver full of arrows. I don't of course, nor do I claim any legal right to do so if I wished.

 

[Alistair]

If historical legacy is all that it is, then, like every other good Englishman, I'd be walking around today armed with a longbow and a quiver full of arrows. I don't of course, nor do I claim any legal right to do so if I wished.

But you are allowed to own them, and I’m sure you wouldn’t be arrested if you walked down the street with them. The majority of Americans aren’t walking around with their guns either.