Annoying, rude, middle-aged women

[NongreasySweatproof]

This is just a rant. So I was at a Malay restaurant last night with a guy friend (I'm not sure whether it was a date), and these two Anglo ladies were gabbing away at the table next to us, talking about the kind of nonsensical shyte that middle-class women in their late 30s tend to talk about. The waitress (who may have been a Malay immigrant, and spoke English well enough) had forgotten to give one of them a fork, and instead of asking nicely for a fork, the forkless customer said something like, "Um, I need a FORK? You know? I can't eat without one?" And then she made a gesture with her hand like she was cutting something with a knife and fork, as though the waitress couldn't understand English, or didn't know what a fork was. I might add that the customer spoke especially loudly, as though that would somehow aid comprehension.

After the waitress left, the women turned to each other and rolled their eyes. I felt like saying something at the time, but just minded my own business. But this morning, I woke up feeling really angry about what I had seen. I also thought the two women's behavior was kind of racist. I hate it when I see people acting in a patronising way toward service workers. The worst part was that, from what I heard of their conversation, the women evidently considered themselves to be intellectual and sophisticated. Anyway, this is just a rant about how I hate mediocre, smug, middleclass women who haven't done anything special with their lives, have small, trivial thoughts, and are mean to people that they feel superior to.

 

[Andreus]

I dont know why, but alot, if not most, women have this weird thing about feeling entitled to unearned respect.

they need to learn how to act in a world of equality

it works both ways

 

[NongreasySweatproof]

Especially hot women, or formerly hot women. It's because when they were young and pretty, they had everything handed to them on a plate. If you're a guy, you have to earn admiration through your accomplishments and your hard work. Of course, there are also those guys who have everything handed to them, but at least in America, there are cultural tendencies that make those guys feel either a little guilty or deficient. But then again, my explanation doesn't explain why some formerly hot women turn out to be gracious and civilized.

What bothered me as much as the condescension and subtle racism was their evident mediocrity. I'm not saying I'm so great, but I'm busting my ass trying to make something of my life. And these two women were talking about makeup tips and gossiping about some stupid celebrity. I don't mean to be judgmental; they just left a very unfavorable impression on me, and they're a type I've seen all too often. Enough said. Back to work for me.

 

[bigdaddyhorse]

I'm always fascinated by the way gay men get so vehemently angry at some of the silly shit women do, but straight men just it roll off their shoulders like it's no big deal.

...and I'm not trying to make this a 'gay vs. straight' issue. This is just something I've noticed among gay & straight friends IRL and their interactions & attitudes toward women. I'd be curious to know why that is.

 

[Andreus]

Straight men are as tollerant of annoying women as gay men are of the annoying twink types.

Oddly they both have the same entitlement issues, IMHO

maybe Freud was right.... maybe its all about sex and what we are willing to overlook because of personal desires and hopes of sexual availability

 

[NongreasySweatproof]

Well, I'm actually bisexual, leaning towards women (It's complicated. Some people here think I'm straight, but I think I'm definitely a little gay). But I think Andreus makes a valid point -- if they had been younger, still-attractive women, I may have been a bit more tolerant. But then again, I still hate it when I see elitist attitudes in anyone -- men or women -- so I'm not sure I would have just let it roll off my back. Most men--gay or straight (or in between)--have sort of a love-hate relationship with women. We might suck up to particular woman we're interested in, but if she rejects us or blows us off in a snotty way, then we're like, "Yeah, f*** her. Who the heck does she think she is?" Despite my misogynistic remarks in the past few weeks, I'm feeling very tempered right now in my hatred of women. I just met a girl that I'm ridiculously crushing on, and it's coloring everything about the way I think.

 

[Andreus]

Remember...there are nice middleaged women too...like MOI!!!

We have to live with idiots...among women and men...Amen...

you are one of the sweetest people I have ever met online, male or female!!

 

[TylerKS]

I had some stupid middle age bitch try to tell me I didn't know what I was doing when I had to call in her biz check because it wanted an approval. I called it in and it was declined then she had the nerve to tell me to find someone who knew what they were doing. I told her I know what I'm doing and the check didn't go through. So she said it again so I was an ass back and told her very loudly that "YOUR CHECK WAS DECLINED" there is nothing anyone can do.

I wanted to slap the shit out of her.

 

[tx_doc]

Reading that story, I could have substituted 2 gay men. I've been in restaurants where 2 guys will act uppidy towards the waitstaff. Having worked in the food industry, I just hope these people aren't as vicious as I would be when bringing them their food. It's not just women, it's men too. As a race, we people are asses.

 

[slobone]

Ouch -- women in their late thirties are middle-aged? [pulls the shawl a little tighter around his shoulders and goes off to make a nice hot cup of tea]

 

[DiverDude]

I always get these types of women at work. It's the customers who will not accept our policies and think the customer is always right. Gap, Inc. does NOT believe that!

I've been called so many things, but when one customer's mother called me a 'little faggot' I wanted to jump across the cashwrap and smack her head against our concrete floor. My manager made me leave my register when she heard her call me that.

I've never had a problem with a man, only women. Perhaps that's because that sex is Old Navy's target audience, but I've never had any other problems with others in my day to day life as well (other than the black/white issue).

Some people need to think about others before they act or speak.

 

[slobone]

Gap doesn't believe the customer is always right? No wonder nobody shops there anymore.

 

[ross_1986]

I know poeple like that. And I understand what you mean. I think there's a lot of men that are like that as well.

 

[TylerKS]

I always get these types of women at work. It's the customers who will not accept our policies and think the customer is always right. Gap, Inc. does NOT believe that!

I've been called so many things, but when one customer's mother called me a 'little faggot' I wanted to jump across the cashwrap and smack her head against our concrete floor. My manager made me leave my register when she heard her call me that.

I've never had a problem with a man, only women. Perhaps that's because that sex is Old Navy's target audience, but I've never had any other problems with others in my day to day life as well (other than the black/white issue).

Some people need to think about others before they act or speak.

My sister is a Manager of Gap and so is my gay rolemodel LOL

 

[ComNavFdgPk]

Especially hot women, or formerly hot women. It's because when they were young and pretty, they had everything handed to them on a plate. If you're a guy, you have to earn admiration through your accomplishments and your hard work...

Just a little sexist, are we??

 

[Andreus]

I dont think he is

and god knows I'd say so if I thought he was

this seems to be about entitlement issues and disparity in the sexes and their expectations of earning respect.

the sex of the people involveda re only relevant in that it defines a type of mindset, not the inherent value of the person.

 

[NineOfClubs]

Gap doesn't believe the customer is always right? No wonder nobody shops there anymore.

I still like The Gap.

And, I'm so glad to hear they don't think the customer is always right. In fact, after dealing with shoppers/customers/diners for many years, I can say that the customer is very often wrong!

And, let me agree with some others here. It is usually women (and some gay men) who are the worst complainers and the most abusive to "help", staff, servers, etc..

 

[NongreasySweatproof]

Just a little sexist, are we??

I try not to be sexist when it comes to things unrelated to relationships. But in general, it's "safer" and "easier" to be a woman insofar as: (a) your chances of finding a mate, and being considered worthy have much less to do with your accomplishments. Whether it's due to biology, culture, or a combination of both, women can always "marry up," rely on their looks, etc. It could very well be that that's not what a particular woman wants out of life--that she wants something more noble than that. But the bottom line is, women have a safety net that men lack, and in many women, this safety net breeds lack of ambition or smallmindedness. There are also plenty of men like that, but they end up at the bottom of the trashheap. And (b) to put things crassly, even ugly chicks get laid. The nature of sexual reproduction is such that sexual success is much more homogeneously distributed amongst women than amongst men. Some men have like 100-200 sex partners in their lives, have much power and earn tons of money, and have high prestige in society; other men never get a chance with even a single woman. By contrast, even an ugly woman of below-average wit and intelligence can usually bag a man as long as she's willing to set her sights low enough. Human society is set up in a way such that the highest-status males reap huge rewards, low-status males get nothing, and almost all women get something in between. I'm not saying that the work that women do is any less worthy. It's just that for women, the stakes are lower in most endeavours, just because the downside is also much less grim.

I try not to rely too much on the argument that men and women are just hardwired differently, and that we're destined to be a certain way just because of our sex. Also, the way things ARE does not imply that they are how they should be. But I'm convinced that the two points that I just elaborated on are a good description of our present reality.

Also, you can work out how this relates to my above points, but if you're a gay guy, looks matter a lot more than if you're a straight guy, though perhaps not as much as for women. It's sad and depressing to think about, though.

 

[NongreasySweatproof]

However, this is not to say that there aren't much more important things in life, like character, kindness and ambition. Sex and attraction aren't the highest values in life. But they are still strong drivers behind much or most of human behavior.

 

[gabriel1]

Gap doesn't believe the customer is always right? No wonder nobody shops there anymore.

not many places believe the customer is always right.