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Annoying Wait Staff Habits

Permer, my point was that getting upset over incorrect pronunciation is awfully small.

Let's look at the big picture. A waiter would get fired for being rude; for being too slow on a consistent basis; for getting a lot of customer complaints for bad service.

But no waiter in the world has ever gotten fired for mispronouncing a menu item. Permer, I think maybe you have had a too-easy life. ;-)


Too-easy? Hardly. But thanks for the chuckle.

All I'm saying is "know your craft." Regardless of what it is. If my waiter mispronounces something as easy as "bruschetta," why should I trust his judgement on what is good on the menu?

Given the choice, I'll choose a restaurant where the staff knows its stuff.
 
All I'm saying is "know your craft." Regardless of what it is. If my waiter mispronounces something as easy as "bruschetta," why should I trust his judgement on what is good on the menu?


I agree, a good wait staff should be able to speak to everything on the menu, including what is in the item, how it is prepared and how to pronounce it.
 
why should I trust his judgement on what is good on the menu?

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maybe you shouldnt ask about "what is good on the menu" anyways. the server meets alot of people, and you would probably agree that all of those people will have different tastes. if he recomends his favorite meal, and they all try it, there will be some that say "i dont like this, its not good, and you shouldnt have recomended it to me". everyone has different tastes, there is no way for the server to know you, so dont bother asking.

i hated that question "hey, what's good here?" i said "everything is good here" and just smiled at them.

oh, and i agree with you about the pronunciation part, it just looks better if they can pronounce the items at the restaurant they work for. also, it is impossible for a NEW server to know the ingredients in every item, so when you ask, and they might be new, they should be saying "im not sure, let me go find out for you" rather than just guessing or saying "i dont know" if that happens to you (maybe you have a food allergy) you better see a manager about it.
 
I would never ask "what's good on the menu," but I might ask, "Between this and that, what do you think?" if I can't decide between two items.
 
I would never ask "what's good on the menu," but I might ask, "Between this and that, what do you think?" if I can't decide between two items.

I need to clarify...I too would never ask "What's good on the menu," but when a server offers recommendations, I do seriously consider them...if the server has given me the impression that he knows what he's doing.

That's it.

Didn't mean for this to get blown up into such a big deal. Perhaps because I make my living with language and communication, proper usage is a little more of a priority for me.

I also appreciate the beauty and rhythm of a language...any language...used well and artfully.

I'm off my soapbox now!

;)
 
I would never ask "what's good on the menu," but I might ask, "Between this and that, what do you think?" if I can't decide between two items.
this works great actually, and alot of people do it.

i would run into problems though. im a big salmon fannatic, i just love eating it, i just love it (hold the fishy twat jokes....LOL) and i just dont like eating salad as the main course for my meal. so when im asked (regularly) what i like better, the salmon or whatever salad they say, i have a hard time answering because i dont want them to think that im purposely choosing the salmon because its more expensive than the salad.

another way to figure out what to eat if you dont know what you want is to ask what is most popular. this way you eliminate the server's personal taste, and get the overall favorites from other guests. you never know....if you asked the server what was better between "this" or "that" and both happened to be shit, then you are screwed.
 
The thing that irritates me most is when the server picks up the little tray with money on it and asks "do you need change?" This is such an obvious dig for a tip that it is annoying. I was taught that you can't afford to go out to dinner if you can't afford to tip and hire a babysitter. I know enough to tip and the service would have to be dreadful for me not to but it irks me that the server thinks they have to remind me.

Sometimes I'm sure it is intended to mislead people who may not be paying attention. I was with a friend who paid an $8 tab with a $20 bill and the waiter interrupted our conversation to ask that question. My friend said no and the waiter smiled and picked up the tray. Sadly for him I was paying attention and asked my friend if she really wanted to tip over 100%. At that point she was to embarrassed to change her mind but I wasn't and requested the change for her. I would have left nothing after that obvious and greedy cash grab but my friend did insist on leaving customary $2 tip.
 
we went to a chinese buffet last night for supper... we were finished with our meal and just chatting it up when the waiter decided to start refilling the salt & pepper shakers, the soy sauce, the sweet & low and the sugar. personally i thought it was rude because he walked all over us, reached in for whatever he needed and refilled. i'm sure it was something he had to do but it could have waited until after we left the table.
 
I can't believe how fussy some of you people are. A lot of you seem to expect waiters/waitresses to be mind-readers. Some people want refills, some people want the tip NOW, some later, etc etc.

All I'm concerned about in a restaurant is if the staff are polite, the food is right and that the staff don't hover over you when you're deciding on the tip.

(I was once in a chinese where we paid by card and we tipped by punching in the tip on the card reader. If we pressed the DECLINE button right away it would be obvious by how we approached the card-reader, since the sly waitress was holding it out to us. Very pressurising. At the same time I imagine the waitress didn't enjoy it any more than us, but who knows)?

Then we have pronounciation, staff attentiveness. People expect too much if they expect perfection. I know people go to a restaurant and pay good money, but they shouldn't leave their consideration for the staff at the door. I have been on both sides and my overwhelming recollection is all the sad NOBS who are cold or rude to the staff. Wowee, they get to order someone around for an evening. It's pathetic.
 
about the salt and pepper refilling at the table. i know there are many tricks to getting people to leave, especially if the place is closing, that may have been one of them. since you didnt mention if the restaurant was closed, you will only know the answer to this.

about the change, lets say you didnt need change and you had left what you thought was an adequate tip in there. if the server doesnt ask, then they will have to bring you change back. you seem like the type of person that will get all angry thinking the server is trying to push you for more tip since he brought it back to you.

kingruby.....not everyone is like you being able to "afford the babysitter and the tip" , the server doesnt know you and i think its ridiculous to think that if they ask you if you need change, that you take it as an insult. and even worse, to think the server had X-ray vision to see a 20 sitting inside the book and was being devious??? and greedy???. for all he knew, it could have been a 10, and he was getting a 2 dollar tip. you sound way to paranoid and dramatic. i suggest you try a job that deals with the public, and you may see things a little differently.
 
about the salt and pepper refilling at the table. i know there are many tricks to getting people to leave, especially if the place is closing, that may have been one of them. since you didnt mention if the restaurant was closed, you will only know the answer to this.

the restuarant closes at 10 pm, it was 08:30 or so and ours was not the only table the waiters were working.

i'm chalking it up to flip's previous statement.

regardless, i still think it was rude.
 
the restuarant closes at 10 pm, it was 08:30 or so and ours was not the only table the waiters were working.

i'm chalking it up to flip's previous statement.

regardless, i still think it was rude.
and i would agree with you too....damn that was rude!!! whenever i was shift leader (which was almost always the case) i instructed the servers to not do the suger/salt/pepper filling part of their sidework and just do other stuff for me instead so i could do it when the guests left. i always thought it eas rude to do it if the table is still sitting there.
 
about the salt and pepper refilling at the table. i know there are many tricks to getting people to leave, especially if the place is closing, that may have been one of them. since you didnt mention if the restaurant was closed, you will only know the answer to this.

about the change, lets say you didnt need change and you had left what you thought was an adequate tip in there. if the server doesnt ask, then they will have to bring you change back. you seem like the type of person that will get all angry thinking the server is trying to push you for more tip since he brought it back to you.

kingruby.....not everyone is like you being able to "afford the babysitter and the tip" , the server doesnt know you and i think its ridiculous to think that if they ask you if you need change, that you take it as an insult. and even worse, to think the server had X-ray vision to see a 20 sitting inside the book and was being devious??? and greedy???. for all he knew, it could have been a 10, and he was getting a 2 dollar tip. you sound way to paranoid and dramatic. i suggest you try a job that deals with the public, and you may see things a little differently.

Thank you for your insight and your suggestion that I try working with the public. Obviously you know if there is a problem or questionable practice the fault lies with the customer. For your information I very successfully worked with the public for over 35 years. That would be well before you were born, in the old days when the customer wasn't considered a nuisance but was considered right. In a day when customer service actually meant something. You incorrectly make the assumption that I would be angry if the server brought me the change, isn't that part of the job? I am quite capable of deciding whether or not I want none, some or all of the change. Another thing we dinosaurs learned to do was read. If you check my previous post I said the money was on a tray, not in a book. The waiter could see and knew what he was doing. I know I'm just an old fogey who should just shut up but that isn't my nature; I deny being paranoid but celebrate being dramatic.
 
I am cool with waiters. As long as they refill my drinks right before or right after they are empty I am alright, and if they are busy I can understand. Pleases and thank-yous and all that, and I always tip what I am supposed to. I have never done it but it seems like a real shitty job. And even if it isn't, I am just a laid back person... I think if the whole world just chilled a little bit more we'd all be that much less crazy. If someone does not have my drink overflowing the minute my straw starts slurping I am not going to scream bloody murder.

And to those who have the sensitivity to regard who pours wine or pronunciation of foreign foods... man, that is a little over the top.
 
Thank you for your insight and your suggestion that I try working with the public. Obviously you know if there is a problem or questionable practice the fault lies with the customer. For your information I very successfully worked with the public for over 35 years. That would be well before you were born, in the old days when the customer wasn't considered a nuisance but was considered right. In a day when customer service actually meant something. You incorrectly make the assumption that I would be angry if the server brought me the change, isn't that part of the job? I am quite capable of deciding whether or not I want none, some or all of the change. Another thing we dinosaurs learned to do was read. If you check my previous post I said the money was on a tray, not in a book. The waiter could see and knew what he was doing. I know I'm just an old fogey who should just shut up but that isn't my nature; I deny being paranoid but celebrate being dramatic.
do you think the waiter actively knows the check amount of every table he is serving and is bothering to remember it when they drop the check? my philosopy is that customers were never a problem unless they purposely made themselves a problem. since we are all learning to read, i never made one reference to your age, in fact, i didnt even notice your age when i read your comment (because you dont even list it), and you are certainly not a dinosaur. (dont be paranoid!!!!)

but it is people that walk into a restaurant expecting the staff there is purposely in coherts to take advantage of them and all they care about is their tips is far fetched, yet more of a common belief among the public. im sure a while back "before my time" as you say it, the customers were not bitches or scammers, but in this new era i am sure most wait staff would agree that the public's sense of self respect, manners, and intelligence has declined. what do you think? i would very much have prefered to have waited on customers in "your time" rather than today's group.

The customer is not always right, but should be treated as such unless circumstances do not permit otherwise. this includes pathological scammers that must be asked to leave, people that put their own hair in their food and ask for a comp, including bugs (which in one case was from their Amazonian bug collection as the species was recognized) and people that lie about the time they waited in the lobby just to try to score free food. the sincere customer is right, the rest can blow me. since you have been in the service industry for a while, did you ever have this kind of rif-raff in your establishment?

i had served full time for a number of years before moving on, and i was pretty good, so when i go into other restaurants i immediatly pick up on bad service, or just wait staff not living up to my standards. i have to turn a blind eye otherwise i might start to nit-pick. i am sure you are not going to find somebody as good a server as you are, so you may have to turn your own blind eye so you are not reading too deeply into the actions of the waiter????? or even better, rather than not tip the guy that ask you if you needed change, maybe you can still tip him, but also be nice about it and educate him, tell him the best way to say it or do it. iv had some great advice from guests here and there, and i was always thankful.
 
I was in a Deli, the person making my Tuna on Whole Wheat sneezed into there hands and continued to make my sandwich. I refused to take the sandwich and when I told him why, he told me I was lying...It got ugly, but the manager calm us down.
 
Speaking of Deli's, I went into one and they guy making the sandwiches was wearing a wife beater! I walked out. The thought of an underarm hair in my sandwich...ugggghhhhh!
 
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