Another Bad Omen for Hillary, shes now behind Ted Cruz and Kasich in all general election polls

[evanrick]

At some point Hillary supporters will have to come to terms with their choice candidates fatal weakness in a general election.

No amount of blame or cynical rhetoric from Clinton-world will change the trajectory of these polls as they have been more and more consistent over time.

Real progressives have been warning for months the mistake it would be to select the weakest candidate to run against any republican nominee. We don't know their reasons for refusing to admit to the facts.

Clinton is now forced into the incredibly strange situation of having to support Trump in hopes that he wins his party's nomination, because hes the only one she can possibly beat in November.

A poll released 2 days ago shows Clinton behind John Kasich by 11%, Tied with Ted Cruz at 44%, and beating Trump with 47% of the vote.

Maybe its Clinton's support of the Iraq war, her deep ties to wall street, her refusal to draw a line in the sand on TPP, minimum wage, consumer protection and college tuiton is the reason shes fallen so far behind the Republicans in 2016.

We don't know how the GOP nominee will be, but they have much less to worry about than democrats do.

Republican Primary

• Ted Cruz: 40%
• Donald Trump: 30%
• John Kasich: 21%
• Undecided: 8%

General Election

• Hillary Clinton: 47%
• Donald Trump: 37%

• Ted Cruz: 44%
• Hillary Clinton: 44%

• John Kasich: 48%
• Hillary Clinton: 39%

• Bernie Sanders: 54%
• Donald Trump: 35%

• Bernie Sanders: 52%
• Ted Cruz: 39%

• Bernie Sanders: 46%
• John Kasich: 44%

https://law.marquette.edu/poll/2016...aries-bradley-leads-state-supreme-court-race/

In possible matchups among registered voters for the November general election in Wisconsin, Sanders leads Kasich by 2 points, Cruz by 13 and Trump by 19.

With Cruz and Sanders set to win in Wisconsin, we know these voters are actually paying attention to who can win in the fall.

 

[Alnitak]

This poll sampled likely voters in the primaries and then deduced information about the general election. It's immediately flawed and skewed in favor of Bernie.

With Cruz and Sanders set to win in Wisconsin, we know these voters are actually paying attention to who can win in the fall.

White men.

Real progressives have been warning for months the mistake it would be to select the weakest candidate to run against any republican nominee. We don't know their reasons for refusing to admit to the facts.

Clinton is now forced into the incredibly strange situation of having to support Trump in hopes that he wins his party's nomination, because hes the only one she can possibly beat in November.

Hillary has a coalition of women, blacks, and Hispanics, and voters older than 30. They are not going to get out to vote for Bernie. Older voters who are very likely to show up to the polls aren't going to vote for Bernie.

Demographic differences in the candidates weigh more heavily in statistical analysis than raw data from polls.

No amount of blame or cynical rhetoric from Clinton-world will change the trajectory of these polls as they have been more and more consistent over time.

Polls as far out as a month are consistently wrong, nevermind seven.

 

[nycguydowntown]

Do your research and see where polls were at this point in past elections and then look at the end results---polls don't mean shit at this point---meaningless.

 

[BenDan]

Hillary vs. Trump is not a fair fight - not in people, not in organization, not in demographic strength not in anything
Trump's issues with hispanics, women, muslims and today he said women who get abortions should be penalized in some way - you really can't make this shit up

Hillary vs. Cruz - Cruz is a far right winger - more so than the Repubs have seen - Mitt and McCain the last two candidates - Cruz won't get any independent support as his record and words are shared by Hillary's team

Hillary vs. Kasich - will never happen as Kasich delegate count is too low to get consideration. I think Kasich could give Hillary a run iF he could get there - but he can't get there

Above is just my two cents but Trump is too disorganized/gaffe prone and Cruz is a Texas based religious freak who won't energize anyone but Republican primary types and he isn't even winning that group NOW

 

[nycguydowntown]

Kasich could beat Hillary but still think she would beat him---I'd put him on the ticket as VP and form a unity ticket lol

Once again after the conventions in the summer of 1980 liberal Dukakis was 10 points ahead of Bush ----he lost in a landslide.

 

[Alnitak]

Kasich could beat Hillary but still think she would beat him---I'd put him on the ticket as VP and form a unity ticket lol

Once again after the conventions in the summer of 1980 liberal Dukakis was 10 points ahead of Bush ----he lost in a landslide.

How does a man that quirky get as far as he did?

 

[rareboy]

Oh surprise.

Another Evanrick loves Hillary thread.

At least he didn't call her a fucking bitch this time.

 

[Rolyo85]

Why are we discussing Hillary's chances against the Zodiac Killer or Unknown Supposedly Moderate Dude That Won't Be the Nominee?

 

[rareboy]

Because it fits some kind of narrative.

Anyone in their right mind would look at the Hillary v. Kasich 'poll' numbers and laugh out loud.

The notion that he would beat Hillary when he can't even seem to rise above statistical zero in his own party demonstrates the totally unscientific basis and absurdity of this kind of poll.

 

[TX-Beau]

I blame talking heads who need to have conflict and soap opera or their corporate masters will take away their candy.

 

[evanrick]

i didnt write the poll im just reminding hillary people their candidate is a losing candidate

 

[TX-Beau]

i didnt write the poll im just reminding hillary people their candidate is a losing candidate

No, you're just looking for attention.

 

[rareboy]

i didnt write the poll im just reminding hillary people their candidate is a losing candidate

And we're just reminding you that we see beyond the skewed, unscientific polls and ridiculous assertions that you keep trying to pretend are backed up by irrefutable facts.

 

[rareboy]

By the way. The real poll results for Clinton v. Trump as of April

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/31/11336884/donald-trump-polls-winning?ref=yfp

And I can guarnatee that if either Cruz or Kasich were even being a possibility for the nominee...her margin over each of them would easily be the same or greater.

 

[BenDan]

By the way. The real poll results for Clinton v. Trump as of April

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/31/11336884/donald-trump-polls-winning?ref=yfp

And I can guarnatee that if either Cruz or Kasich were even being a possibility for the nominee...her margin over each of them would easily be the same or greater.

oh well if a canadian who eschews polls then posts his own can guarantee it well then i guess that settles it

polls are polls - the fact that the republican primary voting block can't see what's two feet ahead of them much less the future .....

is neither here nor there

GENERAL elections are won by candidates that generally can appeal to both sides in some shape or form

Kasich gets a lot of his support from Dems voting in Repub primaries and from independents

look it up

He would be IMO (not a guarantee) the best Republican general election candidate - not sure if he could beat Hillary or Bernie but of all the Repubs he's the most sane and will do the best in a general - he has consistently beaten Hillary in the head to heads

 

[BenDan]

Because it fits some kind of narrative.

Anyone in their right mind would look at the Hillary v. Kasich 'poll' numbers and laugh out loud.

The notion that he would beat Hillary when he can't even seem to rise above statistical zero in his own party demonstrates the totally unscientific basis and absurdity of this kind of poll.

makes NO sense whatsoever

Far right Republican popularity does not equate to general election electability

 

[TX-Beau]

makes NO sense whatsoever

Far right Republican popularity does not equate to general election electability

No but it sure makes for moderate (Kasich = moderate oh the times in which we live) losers when the baggers go home in a huff.

 

[BenDan]

No but it sure makes for moderate (Kasich = moderate oh the times in which we live) losers when the baggers go home in a huff.

Nothing makes sense with the Repubs but common sense says far right (Cruz/Rubio/Huckabee/Santorum/fill in the blanks) or crazy unprepared/gaffe prone (Trump) does not a general election victory make

Kasich or someone like him is their best chance to potentially win. It means compromising but with that comes the opportunity of winning which I have to believe is desirable right ?

Hillary is the anti-Christ to Tea Party types so you'd think they'd figure out a way to best defeat her

I think it's possible that a brokered convention nominates a moderate - like Kasich perhaps

His "5 reasons why Trump is unfit" speech in NYC today was dead on

 

[TX-Beau]

If only common sense reigned on the right.

Kasich probably would net some centrist Dems in Red places, but he'd lose far more rabid knuckle dragers on the lunatic right to make him in any way viable, and against Hillary, he isn't up against Communist Grandpa.

IF there is a second ballot at the 'Pub convention (Dear Santa - I have been a good boy), I suspect the names bubbling to the surface would all have "r"s in them.

 

[evanrick]

makes NO sense whatsoever

Far right Republican popularity does not equate to general election electability

thank you. the few people that understand real political theory, THIS APPLIES TO DEMOCRATIC 'front-runners' AS WELL!

i digress, what is really unfortunate is these polls include many millions of people who have never voted in a republican primary, and many millions more who wouldn't be 'caught' supporting trump.

Who is willing to admit they support Trump over Hillary? That is why Trump's numbers are artificially 'low'. If Hillary can barely manage 44% vs Ted Cruz and three quarters of the people running had nothing to do with Iraq and Wall street like she does shes in for a tough struggle. especially when the entire mood of the country is furious about Iraq, trade deals, the middle east, isis.