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Another shooting, another 10 youth killed, and where is the Republican reaction?

1. There hasn't been "increases in sprees".

You might want to argue that with the FBI. According to them, despite an overall decrease in gun related homicides, there has been an increase in mass shootings. Between 2000-2006, there were 6.4 mass shootings per year. Between 2007-2013, that figure more than doubled to 16.4 per year. That is closer in fact to almost tripling. Here you can check that on the FBI website. https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/20...r-incidents-in-the-u.s.-between-2000-and-2013

2. You lie (in red, above).

I've made an equally as valid assumption on your position in this debate, as you have on mine.

3. Most of the sprees have only been stopped by good guys with guns.

And most gun incidents in the UK are stopped by good guys with guns.....we call them police.
Notice how i opted to say incidents, rather than sprees, since we don't get very many mass shootings, despite being such easy targets. How can that be?? How can a country with less guns in citizens hands be safe, because all our criminals should have guns....odd that. It's as almost as if your arguments fall flat. Oh wait.

I can entertain that i am reasonably ignorant on how mass shootings in the US reach conclusion, since i don't live in the US. I only see the 'big news' stories over here. But those seem to end at the hands of the shooter themselves, or by putting their hands up. I don't know, maybe the media are being selective over the incidents they report, but it doesn't look to me like its civilians with guns generally bringing the mass shootings to an end.
 
As for the security of the state, that was what was prohibited at UCC: there were people there, trained and willing, to defend the security of a free state, and they were prohibited from doing so.

There's more than a billion people in the developed world.
The USA has the highest rate of gun ownership and gun deaths in the developed world.

70% of the developed world has fewer guns and fewer gun deaths than the USA.

The correlation is direct and simple. Many countries have had bloody, violent histories, and each has achieved greater peace and personal safety in modern times with gun control than America has without controls.
 
You really ought to read the news about the topic. School staff kept veterans who wanted to go after the shooter from doing so, because school policy was "shelter in place". Though so far I haven't been able to find out if they were stuck behind a locked door and so literally could not go, or if they were merely obeying verbal commands (veterans I know have said they would have said "Fuck that! People are in danger!" and gone anyway if it was just verbal), or if they would have been expelled for violating policy, or what.

So you don't know if there was any kind of regulation at all. I repeat, these armed and trained people who can be stopped cold by commands from the local Community College staff are going to be less than useless against the New World Order.
 
How many guns I have is none of anyone's business.
You prove my point then. You have an arsenal. I may have thought perhaps my argument is flawed had you have said you had 3 or 4. Instead you got defensive, your guns are your 'thing', that's why you are so against reasonable action.
But I can think of five different common reasons I carry, and I have at least one gun per reason.
And they are??

BTW, if you think that just one kind of gun is sufficient for defense of one's home, you are really ignorant about home-entry crime.

Give over!!. The main reason for home-entry crime is burglary, that is generally universal Kuli. My home was burgled when i was a kid, i disturbed the burglars. I threw an ornament at one of them when i was 8yrs old, and then ran for my life, locking myself in the bathroom. I was terrified. There was nothing stopping them from continuing their burglary, they could have slaughtered my family and then bust the bathroom door down and slaughtered me. That didn't happen. They were burglars, not murderers. As most home invaders are. So, how exactly am i being ignorant? Maybe you're thinking about the type of burglar. Maybe you need a stronger weapon if one comes in wearing a suit of armour. Absolute hysteria is what i'm hearing from you.

But at home you want to provide for all contingencies.
So, i'm guessing you've got guns placed around so that you can reach them regardless of the entry point. Surely having just one gun that actually works, kept on your person, should surfice.
 
The problem is that a person with mental illness was able to acquire an ARSENAL!!!

LOL

Guns don't kill people, people WITH GUNS kill people

REGULATE!

It's sad that liberals always scream at right-wingers (I won't say "conservatives", because they aren't) for hating the Constitution, right up until they show that they have their own parts they hate. When those hates overlap, we lose liberty.

There is no constitutional authority to regulate firearms. Under the meaning of "infringe", even a law distinguishing between types of firearms is suspect. The ridiculous aspect is that Congress has plenty of authority to do things which actually would address the issues, and no one, right or left, is addressing it!

Article I, Section 8, grants Congress authority:

"To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia...."

LaPierre and his fellow gun rights organization leaders delight in reminding us that we are all the militia when it serves to uphold an argument for the liberties they want to enjoy, but they seem to shy away from any suggestion that as the militia they should have any kind of organization or discipline imposed on them (quite in line with the common American attitude that the law is for making other people do what we think they should, but never bother us).

The point of "organizing, arming, and disciplining" is to encourage the militia to be well-regulated in the Second Amendment meaning of the term. A disorganized militia is of little use for defending a free state, and an undisciplined one is of little use at all. With respect to mass shootings, every single one shows just how unorganized and undisciplined we, the militia are, starting with people leaving guns about unsecured so animals bent on killing fellow-citizens can just walk away with them.

Start with that one: a militia that doesn't secure its weapons is undisciplined. For the discipline of the militia, safe storage of all weapons not in use could quite easily be required. One or two guns in a household hidden for use in defending the home might be unsecured, that availability constituting a "use", but half a dozen or more? Unless there are that many residents, such an unsecured array of weapons is undisciplined. Certainly, secure storage alone wouldn't have stopped many or any of the mass shootings of the last couple of decades, but it might well have mitigated them.

Further, allowing someone clearly incompetent with weapons (in the old meaning, which included mental/emotional competence), is not a sign of an disciplined militia. While in a nation of laws the burden is on the state to show that a citizen is not to be considered competent, in almost every case the people around these mass shooters have known beforehand that they were not really to be trusted around destructive materials of any kind, even if just ammonia and bleach in the same room. How to keep such incompetent people from having weapons? In colonial days that wasn't difficult; neighbors knew each other and communities understood who just shouldn't have guns (one reason, BTW, that Thomas Jefferson thought there should be no towns larger than a few thousand people), and the local militia captain or other officer generally knew who those were. But today, we not only lack that sort of community for the most part, we don't even have the militia officers who could enforce the prohibition!

And that leads to organization: we have a thoroughly disorganized militia. It isn't merely unorganized, because most of the people -- including many gun owners -- lack the requisite attitude for being organized; it isn't a thought that they as gun owners have entertained! But Congress is authorized to remedy this, and in the spirit of the times when that authorization was written and ratified Congress was expected to act on that authority. Congress has not done so for generations.

We could do worse than to not merely authorize, but require, the establishment of officers for the unorganized militia, which is all of us. Sadly, the people most likely to be eager to serve as such would not be qualified, as they are more interested in their own privileges than in the responsibility inherent in taking up arms. As General George Patton noted, bearing arms is a great responsibility, and it is so even if you do not do so as an part of any organized militia, which in the United States at present is the National Guard. As I said when I spoke as a representative of the Pink Pistols to a chapter of PFLAG, to bear arms, even on a daily basis, is to take responsibility for the peace and security of your community, not merely by behaving responsibly with your own weapon, but by standing ready to protect others should violence strike. As most everyone agrees, such protective action requires some training, and under the militia model behind the Constitution, the place for that training is in one's local militia, and the local militia needs officers -- not just any officers, but officers who understand that with rights come responsibility.

How do we get back to that grasp that rights and responsibilities are a package deal? We've lost it not just for guns, but for a great deal; if it were truly understood, the media would not be engaged in making every mass shooter a famous name and face, since that is a piece of the goals of every one. No, the media should only give pictures of these animals from the back, face down in their own blood once a good guy with a gun -- law enforcement or responsible citizen -- has stopped the threat and enacted justice in the only way a death penalty is morally legitimate: in defense of the innocent. Let them be nameless, faceless corpses; that would be the responsibility side of the right of a free press, that anyone else thinking of carrying out such action would see themselves as dead, unrecognized, leaving no mark behind but their own blood easily mopped from the floor (that would be another good image in the press: the blood wiped away as though the person had never been).

I don't know how we get back there, but it's the proper place to start. Much of the gun-owning population would be happy to engage in trying, and I should hope that most of the rest would be more than happy to see them do so.

Oh, and those officers of the local militias? They should be hooked into the mental health system we need just for its own sake: then they could recognize ahead of time who needed a little more attention... and who needed more than a little restriction.

Discipline. Organization. Congress, where are you?
 
It's sad that liberals always scream at right-wingers (I won't say "conservatives", because they aren't) for hating the Constitution, right up until they show that they have their own parts they hate. When those hates overlap, we lose liberty.

There is no constitutional authority to regulate firearms. Under the meaning of "infringe", even a law distinguishing between types of firearms is suspect. The ridiculous aspect is that Congress has plenty of authority to do things which actually would address the issues, and no one, right or left, is addressing it!

Article I, Section 8, grants Congress authority:

"To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia...."

LaPierre and his fellow gun rights organization leaders delight in reminding us that we are all the militia when it serves to uphold an argument for the liberties they want to enjoy, but they seem to shy away from any suggestion that as the militia they should have any kind of organization or discipline imposed on them (quite in line with the common American attitude that the law is for making other people do what we think they should, but never bother us).

The point of "organizing, arming, and disciplining" is to encourage the militia to be well-regulated in the Second Amendment meaning of the term. A disorganized militia is of little use for defending a free state, and an undisciplined one is of little use at all. With respect to mass shootings, every single one shows just how unorganized and undisciplined we, the militia are, starting with people leaving guns about unsecured so animals bent on killing fellow-citizens can just walk away with them.

Start with that one: a militia that doesn't secure its weapons is undisciplined. For the discipline of the militia, safe storage of all weapons not in use could quite easily be required. One or two guns in a household hidden for use in defending the home might be unsecured, that availability constituting a "use", but half a dozen or more? Unless there are that many residents, such an unsecured array of weapons is undisciplined. Certainly, secure storage alone wouldn't have stopped many or any of the mass shootings of the last couple of decades, but it might well have mitigated them.

Further, allowing someone clearly incompetent with weapons (in the old meaning, which included mental/emotional competence), is not a sign of an disciplined militia. While in a nation of laws the burden is on the state to show that a citizen is not to be considered competent, in almost every case the people around these mass shooters have known beforehand that they were not really to be trusted around destructive materials of any kind, even if just ammonia and bleach in the same room. How to keep such incompetent people from having weapons? In colonial days that wasn't difficult; neighbors knew each other and communities understood who just shouldn't have guns (one reason, BTW, that Thomas Jefferson thought there should be no towns larger than a few thousand people), and the local militia captain or other officer generally knew who those were. But today, we not only lack that sort of community for the most part, we don't even have the militia officers who could enforce the prohibition!

And that leads to organization: we have a thoroughly disorganized militia. It isn't merely unorganized, because most of the people -- including many gun owners -- lack the requisite attitude for being organized; it isn't a thought that they as gun owners have entertained! But Congress is authorized to remedy this, and in the spirit of the times when that authorization was written and ratified Congress was expected to act on that authority. Congress has not done so for generations.

We could do worse than to not merely authorize, but require, the establishment of officers for the unorganized militia, which is all of us. Sadly, the people most likely to be eager to serve as such would not be qualified, as they are more interested in their own privileges than in the responsibility inherent in taking up arms. As General George Patton noted, bearing arms is a great responsibility, and it is so even if you do not do so as an part of any organized militia, which in the United States at present is the National Guard. As I said when I spoke as a representative of the Pink Pistols to a chapter of PFLAG, to bear arms, even on a daily basis, is to take responsibility for the peace and security of your community, not merely by behaving responsibly with your own weapon, but by standing ready to protect others should violence strike. As most everyone agrees, such protective action requires some training, and under the militia model behind the Constitution, the place for that training is in one's local militia, and the local militia needs officers -- not just any officers, but officers who understand that with rights come responsibility.

How do we get back to that grasp that rights and responsibilities are a package deal? We've lost it not just for guns, but for a great deal; if it were truly understood, the media would not be engaged in making every mass shooter a famous name and face, since that is a piece of the goals of every one. No, the media should only give pictures of these animals from the back, face down in their own blood once a good guy with a gun -- law enforcement or responsible citizen -- has stopped the threat and enacted justice in the only way a death penalty is morally legitimate: in defense of the innocent. Let them be nameless, faceless corpses; that would be the responsibility side of the right of a free press, that anyone else thinking of carrying out such action would see themselves as dead, unrecognized, leaving no mark behind but their own blood easily mopped from the floor (that would be another good image in the press: the blood wiped away as though the person had never been).

I don't know how we get back there, but it's the proper place to start. Much of the gun-owning population would be happy to engage in trying, and I should hope that most of the rest would be more than happy to see them do so.

Oh, and those officers of the local militias? They should be hooked into the mental health system we need just for its own sake: then they could recognize ahead of time who needed a little more attention... and who needed more than a little restriction.

Discipline. Organization. Congress, where are you?


Regulation of firearms is already Constitutional, that's a lot of words tossed at no point.
 
The everyone should have guns brigade always imagine themselves the hero of a western shootout.


I have more fear of being shot by someone playing a "hero" than a nut job just shooting up a place.


Case in point last night before I went to bed a Facebook friend posted a video of two guys trying to rob a place. An old man there had a gun and shot many times in their direction, including after they were out of the building. I noticed though that when he first pulled his gun and shot he was shooting in between two other people. He barely missed those people and who knows where his bullets went out in the street.
 
I have more fear of being shot by someone playing a "hero" than a nut job just shooting up a place.

Case in point last night before I went to bed a Facebook friend posted a video of two guys trying to rob a place. An old man there had a gun and shot many times in their direction, including after they were out of the building. I noticed though that when he first pulled his gun and shot he was shooting in between two other people. He barely missed those people and who knows where his bullets went out in the street.

That's exactly the problem. Imaginary militia types always imagine themselves as Clint Eastwood, regardless of their safety and ability.

It's less a hero response and more a panic one for gents like the old man.
 
You don't seriously believe that do you?
You might have more freedom to shoot other people in the US, but that's generally where your greater freedoms stop, relative to other western countries.
How about the freedom to not get shot indiscriminately as per almost everywhere else in the developed world?

Gun nuts want guns, no one else wants gun nuts to have guns. People fearful of gun nuts arm selves. Endless loop with the true crazies lusting after bigger and deadlier weapons for their next rampage.

From an outsider's perspective, it makes about as much sense as those 12 burner barbecues.

If you restrict the numbers to the portions of our population which actually matches that of the rest of the developed world, the U.S. does quite well. The problem is that within our country we have a third-world country we have, for whatever reason, kept as a third-world country within our borders. That country has education, economic status, and family patterns that have more in common with failed states than with the rest of the United States.

In fact, if you compare figures honestly, the U.S. is better off than, for example, the U.K.: people compare government crime figures, but those figures are calculated differently; if the numbers are counted in the same way, the U.K. has a bit more violence per capita overall than the U.S. That's true of a number of other developed countries as well.

Europe is starting to learn that having a schizophrenic society such as the U.S. obstinately refuses to resolve starts resulting in the same issues we have. It's a wonderful case of learning the wrong lessons and not learning the right ones; the number of guns around isn't the issue -- as evidenced by the fact that from last year's figures, once again the number of gun owners, and the number of guns owned in the U.S. increased while violence overall went down. The issue is that the U.S. is two nations in one, and that they both feed off each other and despise each other. There are ways to deal with that; perhaps the most direct in history was when the Emperor Augustus recognized the criminal gangs in Roman cities as essentially enemy clans within his borders: he sent in experienced legion commanders to pick the best gang in each city, offered that gang a choice of annihilation or cooperation, used the gangs that cooperated to wipe out the other gangs, then took the cooperating gang off to reinforce his regular legions -- problem solved. We don't have that luxury, although we should have the same brutally determined attitude. Instead, we fiddle with band-aid programs and instead of even spending money as vigorously as Augustus did we piddle it away on military adventures with little or no relation to our national interest and cut taxes in a pattern that merely magnifies the root problem. So the U.S. should be looking at Europe and saying, "Wow, they have better educational opportunities, better health care, better physical and economic mobility -- maybe if we did that, we'd have less gun violence", but instead one side embraces a false solution and the other rejects any solution at all.

If our politicians were serious about this place as being a country and a people, Congress tomorrow would appoint a commission to plan out a program to build the sort of mental health support system I've described, and in two months pass a law to build it -- including a tax increase on unearned income (e.g. interest, dividends, etc.) over $50k per year sufficient to fund it. If we built at least one such center in each town with 20k or more, and in each county seat regardless of population, we'd need under just a thousand such centers (of course they could be renovated buildings, not necessarily new construction). The effort itself would be an economic stimulus, and the permanent jobs would run twelve thousand or more -- not huge, but helpful.

And we could filter for dangerous people, give attention to those who merely need someone to treat them as valuable, etc.
 
Again, mental health is only a part of the problem to this issue. Pushing that as if it is the biggest or only issue, is part of the whole problem. As wrong as it might sound, who says all the individuals who went on mass shootings are people who actually had mental health issues?
 
I am not going to bother to go through your whole post and nitpick through it because I have done it before and it doesn't get me anywhere. I am just tired of this song and dance with gun enthusiasts who refuse to take any real initiative to help.

Stating that it takes 15 minutes for someone to be properly trained to handle a mass shooting scenario is absolutely ridiculous, especially it being almost "impossible" to miss. I honestly can't believe someone actually believes what they're saying when saying things such as this.

It's just a fact: most self-defense situations take place at such a close range that fifteen minutes of training will make it almost impossible to miss. In fact, in the course I took that addressed this, we ended up with sides aching from laughter once we'd gone through it and then the instructor asked us to try to miss once we knew how to do it right.

When was the last time a place with more gun regulation in place, where guns weren't so readily available had as many mass shootings that the US has had?

Where is there a place where there are so many guns per capita that has as few mass shootings per gun as the United States?

Besides which, making guns legally hard to get only bothers the law-abiding. There isn't a law that could be passed requiring some behavior of people getting guns that would make it harder for bad guys to get guns. OTOH, there are a number of things that could be done in terms of organizing and disciplining the militia that would make guns harder to get by both bad guys and nut cases.

Because the alternative in having more gun regulations makes it even safer. And I consider the fact that just because someone is armed in such a situation doesn't mean every thing will work our in the favor of the armed citizen. That person can either get themselves killed or more innocence killed. I also consider the fact that just because people can be armed, doesn't mean they all want to be.

More gun regulations don't make it safer -- they just make it easier for the innocent to be victims.

My question is why you'd rather have it certain that people will be victims rather than allow the possibility that an armed citizen can stop the shooter. After all, over and over and over again it's good guys with guns stopping the bad guy -- and statistically, the armed citizen is less likely to shoot bystanders or the wrong person than are police.


BTW, it's mind-boggling how liberals can scream about police brutality and militarization when blacks get shot, but then turn around and trust those same police to get it right when it comes to mass shootings! On top of that, why is it that innocent lives have to be sacrificed while everyone waits for the police?
 
At it's root, this is about money creating a gun culture so it can sell more guns and ammo. LaPierre whored out his hole and the NRA - to the makers.

That claim shows a total lack of understanding of the situation with the NRA and manufacturers. La Pierre and the manufacturers both have to dance to the tune the PR firm La Pierre brought in to run the NRA. The NRA has more than once cost manufacturers money -- but the tactics that did so sure rolled in the bucks for the NRA coffers, and made sure those PR people and La Pierre keep getting huge paychecks.

Money is the motive, but you've got it located wrong.
 
I actually think the first people authorities should seize guns from are the ones who advocate loudest about keeping them.
I figure the more paranoid ones are the people who are most likely to crack and go shooting strangers.

Interesting approach: take away the rights of those who most advocate for them.
 
I honestly don't get this idea where you believe that an armed citizen is likely to shoot an innocent person. It literally just sounds like you're making that comment because you're in favor of more armed citizens and that it is. You are basing that point on nothing at all. Police are trained to handle these types of situations and still make mistakes, get hurt or die in the line of duty. I don't know where you get this idea that a trained or even more-so someone who wasn't trained is more capable. Again, it sounds like a point being made just because it is something you're for, with no logic to back it up.

If these good guys are supposedly stopping these bad guys, then they're doing a pretty bad job of it because I haven't seen anything on it and these mass shootings keep happening. The last couple planned shootings I saw have actually been stopped by the Police, so maybe that is why I trust the Police more than these supposed good guys that do it.

I don't understand what is mind boggling, your post generalizes that all Police Officers are bad Officers because there are ones that abuse their power. Which is weird that you're stating that because it makes your argument worse, if an Officer who is hired by the city to protects its civilians can be corrupt or abuse their power, what is so different then your average armed civilian? Police are ideally supposed to be held by a higher standard and there are still corrupt Officers, why should we believe average armed civilian is any better? Realistically, they are not.
 
You might want to argue that with the FBI. According to them, despite an overall decrease in gun related homicides, there has been an increase in mass shootings. Between 2000-2006, there were 6.4 mass shootings per year. Between 2007-2013, that figure more than doubled to 16.4 per year. That is closer in fact to almost tripling. Here you can check that on the FBI website. https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/20...r-incidents-in-the-u.s.-between-2000-and-2013

Interesting you refer to that, because right near the start the report states:

"This is not a study of mass killings or mass shootings, but rather a study of a specific type of shooting situation law enforcement and the public may face."

I've made an equally as valid assumption on your position in this debate, as you have on mine.

No, you flat out lied about what I've said here -- no assumptions involved.

And most gun incidents in the UK are stopped by good guys with guns.....we call them police.
Notice how i opted to say incidents, rather than sprees, since we don't get very many mass shootings, despite being such easy targets. How can that be?? How can a country with less guns in citizens hands be safe, because all our criminals should have guns....odd that. It's as almost as if your arguments fall flat. Oh wait.

I can entertain that i am reasonably ignorant on how mass shootings in the US reach conclusion, since i don't live in the US. I only see the 'big news' stories over here. But those seem to end at the hands of the shooter themselves, or by putting their hands up. I don't know, maybe the media are being selective over the incidents they report, but it doesn't look to me like its civilians with guns generally bringing the mass shootings to an end.

It's almost always civilians with guns ending these incidents -- no military involvement needed.

The problem is that liberals want people to wait for civilians who happen to be government employees, i.e. police, to arrive, during which period the killer is still free to kill. In accordance with the Founding Fathers, most Americans understand that someone with a gun who is already there can always respond faster than police who aren't. The conclusion is a no-brainer: armed citizens should be embraced, not rejected.

The tragedy in the latest shooting is that people trained and capable and willing were present at the UCC shooting, but were prevented from helping. It's only sensible to encourage those willing to put themselves between others and harm to be ready to do so, rather than require them to cower with the rest.
 
There's more than a billion people in the developed world.
The USA has the highest rate of gun ownership and gun deaths in the developed world.

70% of the developed world has fewer guns and fewer gun deaths than the USA.

The correlation is direct and simple. Many countries have had bloody, violent histories, and each has achieved greater peace and personal safety in modern times with gun control than America has without controls.

70% of the developed world has better educational and economic opportunities than the U.S., and don't have what is essentially a third-world nation living inside its borders.
 
You prove my point then. You have an arsenal. I may have thought perhaps my argument is flawed had you have said you had 3 or 4. Instead you got defensive, your guns are your 'thing', that's why you are so against reasonable action.

I have guns because rationally they are a useful thing. They aren't my "thing"; I wish the world didn't need them. But since the police neither can nor have any responsibility to protect me or mine, it's my responsibility to do so. I don't even really like killing things for food, but since by hunting I can get meat (which someone is going to kill anyway, and anyone who isn't willing to kill his own is a moral coward) that is healthier and cheaper than at the supermarket, I hunt when I can.

And no, I don't have an "arsenal", I have just enough tools to do the jobs I have them for. Calling a small number of guns an "arsenal" shows an irrationality unable to deal with reality.

And they are??

Why, are you coming to visit?

One is obviously home defense.

Give over!!. The main reason for home-entry crime is burglary, that is generally universal Kuli. My home was burgled when i was a kid, i disturbed the burglars. I threw an ornament at one of them when i was 8yrs old, and then ran for my life, locking myself in the bathroom. I was terrified. There was nothing stopping them from continuing their burglary, they could have slaughtered my family and then bust the bathroom door down and slaughtered me. That didn't happen. They were burglars, not murderers. As most home invaders are. So, how exactly am i being ignorant? Maybe you're thinking about the type of burglar. Maybe you need a stronger weapon if one comes in wearing a suit of armour. Absolute hysteria is what i'm hearing from you.

So you're willing to gamble your life that burglars will just let witnesses live. Given the number of burglaries that are meth-driven, I'm not; meth users are not rational and tend to be violent when someone gets between them and what they want. And meth users don't have to be in armor; there was a burglar here on meth who got hit with three tasers, then shot multiple times before he was stopped.

There's no hysteria involved, just a rational analysis of the possibilities. There have been burglaries with three or even four intruders; just one weapon is not sufficient for that, and a single weapon that is sufficient is going to be overkill in case of a lone intruder.

Besides which, I don't care if they aren't murderers: they are home invaders, and I have no intent of letting them run so they can victimize others. They're either going to surrender (which generally happens at the mere sight of a firearm), or stay put in another fashion.

So, i'm guessing you've got guns placed around so that you can reach them regardless of the entry point. Surely having just one gun that actually works, kept on your person, should surfice.

Entry point isn't as critical as point of response, so it isn't as many as you might guess.

As for keeping just one on my person, there are reasons I generally don't at home.
 
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