Anti-gay gang torture in New York

[Speeds]

But those four men were involved in some way in the rape and torture of four gay men. They can't just let them go like that. They at least should pay for their part of the involvment. Not even a juvenile jailtime or community service? They're just released like that? So unfair for the victims.

Apparently, the grand jury is still hearing a few cases and I bet a few more will be released. Wow....And I have this feeling the main culprits will serve about a year in jail and that's it. That's justice?

http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_...Victims_Family_Disgusted_By_Suspects_Release/

 

[asu1117]

I hope they go to jail too, but it's not part of our judicial system for people to get raped in prison. It happens all the time, but it's a bad thing every time, no matter how bad the person is who gets it..

You're correct that it isn't a part of the legal system but I am sure as hell not going to feel bad when it happens to them. What goes around comes around.

 

[bankside]

Unless a judge sentences them to be raped, that is not how they should be punished. And presuming civilization is still the standard which distinguishes some countries from others, that is not how they will be sentenced.

However, I think life in prison is appropriate for a lifetime of bad memories. Let them die in jail. (after a fair trial, of course.)

 

[FanofFiction]

This is the most upsetting crap I've heard in a long time!!! It's great to see that the great state of liberty is being so liberal in who gets punished for this horrendous crime.

 

[star-warrior]

"I was friends with all of them
They were chill.
There was no beef
I had no idea they had no heart."

That's almost poetic.

 

[Críostóir]

But those four men were involved in some way in the rape and torture of four gay men. They can't just let them go like that. They at least should pay for their part of the involvement. Not even a juvenile jail time or community service? They're just released like that? So unfair for the victims.

Why do you think those four men were involved in some way? What evidence do you have that didn't convince the prosecutors they should be charged? What evidence do you have that WOULD convince them (if you have any of that kind you should come forward).

You're drawing a conclusion that the people investigating the case did not. Why do you think you know better than them?

Could be they just rounded up all the members of this gang (which police in NYC do like to do), then discovered that not all of them were present for any of the criminal activity or had knowledge of it. They're almost certainly not innocent in some kind of pure sense, but they might not have been involved in this particular crime.

Then again, they might have been involved but there might not be enough evidence. You don't want to live in a society where people can be charged without evidence.

Apparently, the grand jury is still hearing a few cases and I bet a few more will be released. Wow....And I have this feeling the main culprits will serve about a year in jail and that's it. That's justice?

A civilized society (which we strive and fail to be) has legal procedures for punishing people. In ours, for severe crimes no one can be brought to trial unless a grand jury indicts them. It's in the Constitution.

Look, our legal system is far from perfect. It's not even as perfect as it could be. But the best legal system that could be devised among humans still will get some false acquittals and some false convictions. We have chosen as a society to avoid false convictions as much as possible, with the clear understanding that that will lead to some false acquittals (or even non-chargings as in this case).

It IS frustrating. But it's the price of having a (relatively) just society.

You're correct that it isn't a part of the legal system but I am sure as hell not going to feel bad when it happens to them. What goes around comes around.

 

[Bored]

My opinion.
If they only get 1 year in jail it's basically saying "it's okay to hurt someone, so long as they're gay."

We need to set an example and lock them up for a long time.

 

[degrandm]

Why do you think those four men were involved in some way? What evidence do you have that didn't convince the prosecutors they should be charged? What evidence do you have that WOULD convince them (if you have any of that kind you should come forward).

You're drawing a conclusion that the people investigating the case did not. Why do you think you know better than them?

Could be they just rounded up all the members of this gang (which police in NYC do like to do), then discovered that not all of them were present for any of the criminal activity or had knowledge of it. They're almost certainly not innocent in some kind of pure sense, but they might not have been involved in this particular crime.

Then again, they might have been involved but there might not be enough evidence. You don't want to live in a society where people can be charged without evidence.



A civilized society (which we strive and fail to be) has legal procedures for punishing people. In ours, for severe crimes no one can be brought to trial unless a grand jury indicts them. It's in the Constitution.

Look, our legal system is far from perfect. It's not even as perfect as it could be. But the best legal system that could be devised among humans still will get some false acquittals and some false convictions. We have chosen as a society to avoid false convictions as much as possible, with the clear understanding that that will lead to some false acquittals (or even non-chargings as in this case).

It IS frustrating. But it's the price of having a (relatively) just society.

you are so wright its not perfect but is better then some other countries