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Anti-gay without being homophobic or 'hating myself.' Anybody else understand this?

I feel for you because you seem trapped in your own thoughts. The constant in life is change and it happens around us even if we stand still. There's a big difference between not wanting to change and not being able to change. That latter is bogus as we are all capable of change. If you don't want to you don't have to, but in order not to be conflicted you need to be ok with that decision.

If I were to guess I'd say you are changing or you feel the need to and it scares you. I hope you find peace of mind whatever direction you take. Life is short and we all deserve that. Best wishes.
 
slnattack: You have a lot of work ahead of you. I’m going to go the route of tough love on this one. I’m not saying any of this to be rude, or a jerk, or “misunderstanding of your troubled upbringing.” I’m speaking to you as a confident 27 year old gay guy who wants to help you love yourself a lot more.

Being gay doesn't mean you wake up in the morning and cover yourself in glitter, grab a purse and throw on some lipstick. Your environment may have allowed you to grow up with that perception, but it’s not true.

You say that being gay “was something that other people made fun of people for” in the area you grew up. Newsflash buddy, your tight-knit community isn’t all that unique. I’ve been made fun of for being gay, I’ve been made fun of before coming out, I’ve been made fun of after coming out. You shouldn’t care, because someone making fun of you says a hell of a lot more about them than it does you, but for where you are at right now in your life, you’re more concerned about what they think of you. It’s unfortunate, you deserve to allow yourself to live better than that.

Narcissistic drag queen on TV? You say that all she has to say is: "Well you just need to love yourself and accept yourself, and not worry about what they say.” Guess what, she’s absolutely right. You need to learn to love yourself. One of the biggest advantages that I see for anyone in the LGBT world is that once they come out, they are more than likely the most self-loving, self-valuing people in the world. You have to get to a place where you love yourself so damn much that you really don’t worry about what others say. Get over your insecurities and appreciate the fact you’re on this Earth and do something with your life. But you won’t be able to do that until you love yourself. That drag queen loves herself a hell of a lot more than someone who says “ewwww” when someone says they’re gay.

You’re not ashamed of being gay. You’re ashamed of yourself. That’s the sad part to the story. You fail to see that there are plenty of gay guys who love to go out and play sports, go camping, hiking, shooting, fishing, and all the other “manly” things out there. It’s true. Ask my boyfriend. He’s a FOID card carrying man and we’re planning a trip to his ranch to ride his horses through the smokey mountains. Sure, we may watch Glee for a half hour, and he doesn’t drink beer, but he’ll kick your ass. Yep, gay guys can be tough too. You associate being gay with flitting around in the rain and drinking cosmopolitans. Meet some gay guys and hang out with them. We’re all as individual and unique as your frat buddies.

You say the issue isn’t that you “hate gays or the gay thing because you don’t,” and you won’t be able to move forward until you realize that what you said is exactly the point. You do. You can’t sexually associate yourself with gay? Well then relate it to “sausage fest” because it’s all the same when you’re having sex with a man. “Gay” is something that people mock. People also mock people with Red Hair. Either way, it shouldn’t happen, but it does.

Straight women aren’t turned on by gay guys. You’re right. Why? BECAUSE THEY DON’T HAVE A CHANCE IN HELL OF HAVING A SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM. They view them as shopping buddies? Sure, maybe they do. That’s why I make sure my friends know I’m not their to be their “accessory.” Straight women are always going to prefer straight men for their deep intimate/sexual relationship. Gay guys are always going to prefer gay men for their deep intimate/sexual relationship. Did you read that before you wrote it? You should view gay men differently because you ARE one, pal.

Talk to a counselor. Get some help. Learn to love yourself. Grow from this.
 
"Self-loathing gay guys" (as people so condescendingly call them) don't hate themselves.

Sorry but that is bunk.

You've said that you are gay, yet anti-gay. At some level, you do not like yourself.

You are either afraid or unwilling to associate yourself with a word that describes exactly who you are.

And the only reason I've ever heard of for a gay person to only be attracted to other closeted guys is so you can have someone to share your "private shame" together.
 
Are you projecting? I don't need help. I need to help others. Which is what I'm trying to do now but you guys aren't having it, because you're too stubborn to admit that you are actually wrong.

Nice try. But I'm not going to fall for it.

And I'm not miserable. I'm actually getting over my depression. You don't read people's feelings very well.

I might have been too negative or harsh with gay guys. I guess I do this because part of me wants to find gay men just as sexy as straight guys but I just think that is psychologically impossible. And nothing to do with hating myself. Really , I have to work on accepting other people more.

Snore.

You've been pissing and moaning on this site for 7 years now, and yet, go figure, your threads haven't progressed past your first one here at JUB. That's the exact thing you've posted to others. Follow your own advice then if not mine.

Your illustrious posting history:

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/search.php?searchid=10075363
 
^ This.

Your therapists are right. You're a homo. Own it.


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I think the only people that are 'weak-willed' and 'vulnerable' are those that insist on making the weak strong, on changing a word that means something negative into something positive, on somebody that just can't accept the nature of things.

Of course if I'm weak, and I hate myself- then I have no arguement right? I have nothing substantial to say, and so it must be my entire fault. What an easy way to write me off when I actually have the most correct point.

"Self-loathing gay guys" (as people so condescendingly call them) don't hate themselves. They just don't get turned on when people say how gay they are. They're not attracted to straight guys, they're just attracted to men period. And common sense.

Why can't we just man up and stop using the word 'gay?' like it means some positive self-identity. <3

I guess you have a point. Although straight male throat fuck porn will ALWAYS be hotter than gay porn, EVEN GAY MALE PORN ACTORS THEMSELVES HAVE ADMITTED THIS. AND THEY DO GAY PORN.

i still watch straight porn sometimes. however, i'm not turned on by women very much, if any. does that mean i'm in love with straight guys? No. the dynamic between a guy and a girl in porn *can* be a turn on to me, despite being gay. however, it doesn't make straight people better. take yourself for example, you seem to have a throat-fucking fetish. well, it may be rarer in gay porn, but throat fucking still exists. and even if it didn't, which it does, it doesn't have any links towards how you view straight PEOPLE and gay PEOPLE. just because you have a sexual fetish doesn't effect the people that you meet and interact with in real life. so that's a complete non-starter. a gay guy with a fetish for straight sex has nothing to do with his perceptions about a social hierarchy.

... and TRUST me, straight women do find gay guys sexually attractive. if i wanted to, i could hook up with waaaaay more women now that im out than i ever could have when i was closeted.

hmm.... no. Being gay is great, but being straight always one-ups the gay thing for many reasons .That's what its like in my own head, and i don't know how to change my brain.

I am so insecure about this, and the idea of going to a gay bar and asying im gay or a gay event is too terrifying, every therapist i said said i should do that though, but all i can think of is how hot str8 throat fuck porn is compared to politically correct gay homoerotic shit.

I guess I do feel poorly about myself, since I am gay myself but I feel these same things about other gay people. But straight guys are just so RAWWWR.


say it. say "i'm gay." outloud. or in your head. who cares if you think there's a difference between being gay and being sexually attracted to guys. the first time i said "i'm gay" outloud, i was scared, it's ok to be scared. i said "i'm gay" outloud despite the fact that i couldn't accept that i was gay at the time, and i still considered myself bi. (because heaven forbid, i just COULDN'T be gay! oh noes!)

anyways, most of us get over that with time. it seems like you aren't though, and it seems like you're trying to justify your inability to progress past that point by pretending that you're intelligent enough to discern some nuanced differences in what you are. Well, it's time to get over that, and it's time to get over yourself. you aren't overly intelligent. that's what YOU need to accept, as well as your sexuality. you could be einstein and you'd still need to 'get over' your perceived intelligence, because your arrogance seems to be a hindrance to becoming 'smarter.' as is typical of arrogance, btw.

as for gay being 'something people are made fun of for,' well, you're right. people are made fun of for being gay. but it doesn't have to be. its funny, i seem to be more popular than ever now that i'm out, perhaps its just because i'm far more confident than i was before in my interactions with others, but tbh it seems like the 'fact of being gay' itself is the reason people seem to like me even more. (i wasn't disliked previously, mind you) so whatever, if social stigma is a problem for you, fine. that DOES happen, and people ARE hated for being gay. conversely though, people are loved FOR being gay. some of my straight friends have expressed a little bit of jealousy now that every girl seems to be in love with me :p

so know that, know that your perceptions of what gay "is" is a narrow viewpoint, and don't just know that as you know a scientific fact that you don't have to live by, "know" it by truly experiencing it. because that narrow viewpoint of what gay is within society, isn't what i experience. if someone makes fun of me for being gay, THEY are the losers. they are the people with no friends. and they aren't that just because 'i love myself' and i can comfort myself 'in my own head,' *they're* the losers because no one likes them and their homophobic asses. that's the reality if you act like it is, and others will pick it up too, if not lead that charge for you. and if they don't, simply change your environment, because the people in your environment are then the losers. those are the people who everyone would hate if they lived anywhere else, and those are the people who everyone hates despite living thousands of miles away.

so deal with it. :p
 
tx-beau you sound very sexy to me. And you are gay? Are you a top by any chance??

So yeah this thing is all in my head. It has no objectivity to it.
 
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