Any Make Me a Supermodel Fans?

[Apollo]

How does it NOT?

If I had never met a gay person, or interacted with a gay person, and all I knew about gay people were the stereotypes perpetrated on television, I would be uncomfortable too.

I had never been to a gay club, and from what I heard about them, I don't think I wanted to go. When I went, it made me uncomfortable for a while, then I found it fun and ok and I got over it.

Kinda like what Brandon did, but we don't really know cause it is a reality show. But from what I watched, there never seemed to be a problem between Brandon and the Androgynous guy.

And Brandon does have to work with Cory Bautista, who I very much doubt is straight, and he is constantly around gay guys all day long in his profession. Not to mention he didn't seem to have a problem wearing a dress.

 

[Apollo]

You're just making excuses for him because you think he is hot. How can you be in fashion and not be comfortable around gay people? That's like playing hockey and saying your uncomfortable working with white people. Or playing soccer and being allergic to balls.
I dont know if you watched but he wasnt just talking about the shoot. He said he wasnt comfortable around gay people PERIOD. Not just modeling in provocative poses...PERIOD.
And even if in your world saying your uncomfortable working with gays is somehow not homphobic it still doesnt justify treating the gay guy like shit and making him uncomfortable to be around.

And he still did the shoot, and got through it. And he never had a problem with the guy or Cory, or half the gay fashion designers and makeup artist, hair people he had to work with.

Sorry, but a homophobe, as I have been taught to know them, don't ever want to be around a gay person and has a hate of gay people that could possibly turn violent. And are willing to go out of their way to stay away from gay people. That never came off Brandon once.

And I don't see how a person can be homophobic and want to work in the fashion industry, the two just don't ever meet up.

Also, I don't think Brandon is that hot, I was a lot more into Jonathen and was hoping he would win. I just hate when people throw out the word homophobe like it's candy.

 

[Passion4Muzik]

Didn't Branden allude to being molested or almost molested?

 

[Gussss]

^ I sure missed that! What and when are you talking about?

 

[Apollo]

^^I dont thinnnk so?

 

[YeahWhatever]

^ I sure missed that! What and when are you talking about?

Jordan and Sandhurst asked Branden why he was initially reluctant to work with someone gay (with Chris in the hanging box photoshoot), and he hinted that "something happened to him" when he was young and he didn't trust being too close to other men -- but then I think he realized that it sounded like he was implying that he was sexually abused so he elaborated.

He said that his dad abandoned him and his family when he was young, and because of his daddy issues, he just felt uncomfortable being physically close to other males. So it had nothing to do with being molested or anything like that.

 

[Apollo]

Jordan and Sandhurst asked Branden why he was initially reluctant to work with someone gay (with Chris in the hanging box photoshoot), and he hinted that "something happened to him" when he was young and he didn't trust being too close to other men -- but then I think he realized that it sounded like he was implying that he was sexually abused so he elaborated.

He said that his dad abandoned him and his family when he was young, and because of his daddy issues, he just felt uncomfortable being physically close to other males. So it had nothing to do with being molested or anything like that.

Ahhhs, yeah that kinda explained itself in the finale.

 

[Gussss]

Jordan and Sandhurst asked Branden why he was initially reluctant to work with someone gay (with Chris in the hanging box photoshoot), and he hinted that "something happened to him" when he was young and he didn't trust being too close to other men -- but then I think he realized that it sounded like he was implying that he was sexually abused so he elaborated.

He said that his dad abandoned him and his family when he was young, and because of his daddy issues, he just felt uncomfortable being physically close to other males. So it had nothing to do with being molested or anything like that.

I started watching about half way through, so I missed that part. I can't comment on it.

 

[aijalon18]

In what universe does your dad abandoning make it ok to treat a gay person like shit who is just trying to do a job. SO the next time some ignorant homophobe mistreats you ask if his parents are divorced then it will be ok.

 

[Apollo]

In what universe does your dad abandoning make it ok to treat a gay person like shit who is just trying to do a job. SO the next time some ignorant homophobe mistreats you ask if his parents are divorced then it will be ok.

*sigh* you didnt read the post did you?

And when did he treat the guy like shit? Did he verbally abuse him? Hit him? Talk down to him? Scream at him?

 

[Apollo]

Ok I just rewatched the scene. Sorry, but where in the episode did he ever come off homophobic?

Highly nervous? Yes. But he eventually got over it a little, and as the gay guy himself said, they talked it out to get a good picture. And it got pretty intimate as well. Hell after the shoot was over, he cracked a joke, did a happy dance and had a buddy buddy handshake with the gay guy.

 

[brian1052000]

This Homophobic stuff is really annoying. Not every straight man in the world is comfortable around gay men. I think to consider him homophobic for being nervous, is as judgemental as you think he is.

 

[Apollo]

This Homophobic stuff is really annoying. Not every straight man in the world is comfortable around gay men. I think to consider him homophobic for being nervous, is as judgemental as you think he is.

If you rewatch the scene, all it is is nervousness. They got along quite well. A little aprehension at first, but that was pretty much it.

 

[brian1052000]

^^^^^^I agree completely. He would have been just as nervous with a girl. It was the first photo shoot. He even was coaching Chris. He's a lot of stuff, but not homophobic.

 

[aijalon18]

Nervousness my ass. Branden was excited he would be close to boobies until he found out he was partnered with a guy. Then his face dropped he started acting like he was 5. Branden did awful and it did not get intimate at all. They were barely touching. I think one was grabbing the other's tie. Sounds like softcore porn....

Gay people need to stop pandering to straight guys and accepting their bullshit. It is NOT ok for straight guys to be automatically nervous about being around gay guys who are just doing their job. How do you people expect to ever be treated fairly and equally if you have this absurd mindset.

Branden fucked up that challenge because he wouldnt let Chris have any control over how it was gonna go. Branden made sure he was controlling how and if they were gonna interact. Chris started out confident and then crumbled, because when he tried to touch Branden in anyway he started moving away and making things awkward.

 

[brian1052000]

We will just have to agree to disagree. I know a lot of gay men who are more nervous to be around straight men. I guess it depends on the mindset of the individual. People generally get nervous when confronted with the unfamiliar. And Chris just wasn't a good model at all. That's not Brandens fault.

 

[falconfan]

I only started watching this mid-season so I can't really address specifics. However what perpetually befuddles me is the way our society views these sensitive issues. People seem to have this bizarre all or nothing idea about homophobia, racism, sexism etc. Like as long as you're not burning crosses on someone's lawn then you're not racist? Bullshit! A homophobe is perfectly capable of genuinely liking a person who happens to be gay, being nice and friendly to them, getting a long with them and then telling homophobic jokes when that person is out of the room, using the word 'gay' as a synonym for 'bad,' and believing that a homosexual relationship is intrinsically lesser than a heterosexual one.

Fact of the matter is homophobia is something that's far more complex than any of us wish to deal with and we can't really sit here and dissect someone's actions to decided whether they are or are not homophobic because it's not a fucking yes or no question. And on that note just because someone has made homophobic statements or even harbors beliefs that are downright disgusting doesn't mean that that person is evil or horrible. It doesn't mean that we can chalk those people up in the 'bad' column and just decided that they deserve nothing and always wish the worst for them.

I guess what I don't get is why we so persistently have a reflexive need to judge people instead of accepting that those people like ourselves are flawed. Maybe I'm crazy but I'm of the school of thought that a person is more than the sum of his/her beliefs. You can condemn a statement, condemn an action, and condemn an ideology without condemning that person. And in fact we should not be discouraged from speaking out against any statement or actions that we perceive as prejudice. We must condemn any beliefs that encourages violence and hate, as to elucidate the error of those beliefs. Yet I would imagine that if we are to encounter a person who harbors a hateful or harmful perspective our key objective should be to understand that person. We in fact MUST understand how a real person who thinks and feels, as apposed to a caricature of a person not imbued with these qualities, could possibly find truth in dangerous philosophies. And by obtaining such an understanding we should be able to stay the spread of these hateful ideologies through reason and empathy rather than proliferating them through our own anger.

 

[Apollo]

Nervousness my ass. Branden was excited he would be close to boobies until he found out he was partnered with a guy. Then his face dropped he started acting like he was 5. Branden did awful and it did not get intimate at all. They were barely touching. I think one was grabbing the other's tie. Sounds like softcore porn....

Gay people need to stop pandering to straight guys and accepting their bullshit. It is NOT ok for straight guys to be automatically nervous about being around gay guys who are just doing their job. How do you people expect to ever be treated fairly and equally if you have this absurd mindset.

Branden fucked up that challenge because he wouldnt let Chris have any control over how it was gonna go. Branden made sure he was controlling how and if they were gonna interact. Chris started out confident and then crumbled, because when he tried to touch Branden in anyway he started moving away and making things awkward.

If you find out your doing a intimate shoot, and your a straight guy, you would be sad to hear your working with a guy to.

And I think it's time you rewatch the scene. He acted in no way homophobic to him. Even Perou, who is a no bullshit type of guy said they got intimate and that Brandon did good.

Brandon did a "I want to make out with you so bad face" with the guy. Put his tie around the other guys neck and got into a good pose.

And then once they were done, he cracked a joke and him and the guy got buddy buddy for a sec.

The gay guy himself didn't have a problem with him at all. I think your the only one thinking Brandon was acting homophobic.

 

[Apollo]

I only started watching this mid-season so I can't really address specifics. However what perpetually befuddles me is the way our society views these sensitive issues. People seem to have this bizarre all or nothing idea about homophobia, racism, sexism etc. Like as long as you're not burning crosses on someone's lawn then you're not racist? Bullshit! A homophobe is perfectly capable of genuinely liking a person who happens to be gay, being nice and friendly to them, getting a long with them and then telling homophobic jokes when that person is out of the room, using the word 'gay' as a synonym for 'bad,' and believing that a homosexual relationship is intrinsically lesser than a heterosexual one.

Fact of the matter is homophobia is something that's far more complex than any of us wish to deal with and we can't really sit here and dissect someone's actions to decided whether they are or are not homophobic because it's not a fucking yes or no question. And on that note just because someone has made homophobic statements or even harbors beliefs that are downright disgusting doesn't mean that that person is evil or horrible. It doesn't mean that we can chalk those people up in the 'bad' column and just decided that they deserve nothing and always wish the worst for them.

I guess what I don't get is why we so persistently have a reflexive need to judge people instead of accepting that those people like ourselves are flawed. Maybe I'm crazy but I'm of the school of thought that a person is more than the sum of his/her beliefs. You can condemn a statement, condemn an action, and condemn an ideology without condemning that person. And in fact we should not be discouraged from speaking out against any statement or actions that we perceive as prejudice. We must condemn any beliefs that encourages violence and hate, as to elucidate the error of those beliefs. Yet I would imagine that if we are to encounter a person who harbors a hateful or harmful perspective our key objective should be to understand that person. We in fact MUST understand how a real person who thinks and feels, as apposed to a caricature of a person not imbued with these qualities, could possibly find truth in dangerous philosophies. And by obtaining such an understanding we should be able to stay the spread of these hateful ideologies through reason and empathy rather than proliferating them through our own anger.

Homophobia, as with racism and sexism is not that complex. One of these people will always show their true nature eventually no matter how nice they try to act to you.

People need to stop being so sensitive to what people say. I know tons of gay men who use "gay" as a bad connotation. And the more people you label as gay because they initially aren't pleased working with another man in a intimate shot even though they are straight, does not make them a homophobe. Especially after they quickly get over those feelings and the guys become friends.

All this does, IMO, is alienate people and give the wrong impression of gay people.

I do agree with your last paragraph though.

 

[aijalon18]

If you find out your doing a intimate shoot, and your a straight guy, you would be sad to hear your working with a guy to.

And I think it's time you rewatch the scene. He acted in no way homophobic to him. Even Perou, who is a no bullshit type of guy said they got intimate and that Brandon did good.

Brandon did a "I want to make out with you so bad face" with the guy. Put his tie around the other guys neck and got into a good pose.

And then once they were done, he cracked a joke and him and the guy got buddy buddy for a sec.

The gay guy himself didn't have a problem with him at all. I think your the only one thinking Brandon was acting homophobic.

Yes i made it all up since i have a grudge against Branden because he killed my dog. We interpreted the whole scene differently I guess. There's no need to go back and forth about that any longer.

But the bigger point is you are still pandering to straight guys. If you are a model it is your job to act professional even if you are paired with a guy. It is not about copping a feel anyway. Another person is basically a prop for you to sell a product. I dont see how you are not getting that.

I'm guessing you are one of those people that only likes straight and "straight-acting" guys.