Anyone here in retail or used to be in retail? What would constitute "suspicious"?

[Dominus]

^^ Actually, now that I think about it, I do see a cop there quite often. Inner city...

 

[LeicsDom]

The Wal-Mart near me frequently checks IDs to verify credit cards.

Here in the UK it is very rare that someone pays for groceries with a Credit Card. It is invariably a Debit Card

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Why didn't you ask WM or the cop?

Most likely because it didn’t happen.

 

[Pierresro]

I am happy to say I have never shopped at Walmart!!! I never would they underpay so much they give new employees paper work to get on food stamps!v

 

[mark1111]

Here in the states, credit cards have some consumer protections to prevent fraud. Debit cards were created by banks to avoid the this. They are treated as cash, if you lose it or some one uses the number, oh well!

 

[LeicsDom]

Here in the states, credit cards have some consumer protections to prevent fraud. Debit cards were created by banks to avoid the this. They are treated as cash, if you lose it or some one uses the number, oh well!

We have pretty good consumer protection with debit cards

 

[NotHardUp1]

Why are people so bitchy about the OP's post?

It wasn't extreme, or controversial. Just calling him a liar is little more than saying, "get the hell out. We are the posse of that guy who hates you here. We have to support him and hoped you'd never return." Pissy, queeny, shitty. Stop doing it. If someone posts something ratty, then ok, but this is just schoolyard crap.

His threads are not outrageous, not confrontational, yet you go out of your way to slam him.

It's perfectly plausible that some shift manager contacted the cop they keep on duty or retainer. I shopped at a grocer in Anchorage that always had a cop in uniform on duty.

As many have already responded, the likely cause of the concern is that three lower balance transactions might be a thief's way of keeping below the alert radar if the credit card monitored transactions for patterns.

 

[mcbrion]

From my experience, and this is literally 10+ years of it, Loss Prevention does not call the Police unless they actually caught you stealing and keep you at the store.

Cops barely come out at all anyway, I’ve dealt with multiple situations where there was at least 500 dollars worth of items stolen and the Police still didn’t show up. So this story seems a bit off to me.

Either way as already stated multiple transactions are generally always suspicious because of fraud. People try to to do this kind of thing with Gift Cards because stores generally limit the amount in one transaction.

I agree with you. Stores don't validate purchases and then send the police out after you. That would leave the store open to a lawsuit, especially if the person refused to show their purchases to the police. I'm sure it DOES happen, particularly if the purchaser is Black, and in the south, but I've never had that happen to me, and I'm old enough that this would have happened to me back in the 50s and 60s. But it never did. Even when I was going to college in the south in the 60s. Very odd.

 

[mcbrion]

Reminds me of the only time I was ever searched by the police - on my first trip to London 20 years ago - because I was waiting outside an electronics shop for my friend, who had just gone in, and then two policemen came up and gave the reason for searching me that I was 'acting nervous' - really this was just my natural habits and facial expressions back then. They searched my friend too when he came out.

What it turned out to be was that this shop had previous trouble with attempted robberies or something, and so the policemen walking by took one look at me and apparently suspected that I was being the lookout, while my friend was inside casing the joint.

Lol.

Are you Black or a member of a minority?

 

[mcbrion]

Incidentally, the chain I work in part time has a policy that forbids the employees to prevent a customer from leaving the store EVEN IF THEY ARE SURE THE CUSTOMER HAS STOLEN SOMETHING. A store manager was fired two months ago because he chased a customer out into the parking lot, and recovered merchandise that (allegedly) the customer hadn't paid for. While he was pleased with himself, older employees, who had been there longer, shook their heads in dismay because they knew he would be reprimanded. The manager was only 35 or so, and I guess he didn't think the policy applied to him. (Youth!)

He was fired for doing that. Not even the store manager was exempt from the company policy.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Why are people so bitchy about the OP's post?

It wasn't extreme, or controversial. Just calling him a liar is little more than saying, "get the hell out. We are the posse of that guy who hates you here. We have to support him and hoped you'd never return." Pissy, queeny, shitty. Stop doing it. If someone posts something ratty, then ok, but this is just schoolyard crap.

Calling him a liar based on actual years of experience in said situations and because the OP has a history of questionable stories. It's not a big deal, but he opened himself up when he asked for people experienced in retail. Conveniently ignored those posts though, and I'm sure he'd claim we're "trolling."

His threads are not outrageous, not confrontational, yet you go out of your way to slam him.

It's perfectly plausible that some shift manager contacted the cop they keep on duty or retainer. I shopped at a grocer in Anchorage that always had a cop in uniform on duty.

As many have already responded, the likely cause of the concern is that three lower balance transactions might be a thief's way of keeping below the alert radar if the credit card monitored transactions for patterns.

If LP was watching him and thought there was theft, they would have not let him leave. If LP and a Manager checking his ID didn't think there was theft and finished a transaction, why the hell would they then follow up a third party after he left the store? That Managers job at the least would have been in question at that point. And as said in above post, he could actually go after Walmart for treating him this badly when it was all legitimate. I know I would.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Calling him a liar based on actual years of experience in said situations and because the OP has a history of questionable stories. It's not a big deal, but he opened himself up when he asked for people experienced in retail. Conveniently ignored those posts though, and I'm sure he'd claim we're "trolling."

This. There are glaring holes in the story, if they thought this man was committing fraud they wouldn't have processed a transaction. There are glaring inconsistencies in the story that he has completely ignored, and they're pointed out by people with real-life retail experience. Oh and he's been less than honest about being zombiekiller and didn't fess up until he was up against a wall and couldn't really deny it anymore. but anywhere there's someone with a history of controversial remarks about brown people there's Jay to defend em.

 

[NotHardUp1]

If LP was watching him and thought there was theft, they would have not let him leave. If LP and a Manager checking his ID didn't think there was theft and finished a transaction, why the hell would they then follow up a third party after he left the store? That Managers job at the least would have been in question at that point. And as said in above post, he could actually go after Walmart for treating him this badly when it was all legitimate. I know I would.

Because of what mcbrion posted about his zealous manager, and because I worked retail before too, and remember the ongoing war with shoplifters and thieves, so recognize the zealotry and why it is there.

It is also not hard at all to imagine a cashier, a shift manager, or even another customer commenting to an on-duty cop about the strange transactions, and then the cop following up on his own zeal. I'm not even convinced the cop was wrong as I so often am in cases of misconduct.

This was a case of very unusual activity, and we all know identity theft gets a free walk in most cases, so there is a lot of public disappointment about law enforcement not trying hard enough in non-violent crime. He apparently detained our friend briefly with reason but quickly resolved the question.

Sure beats the bullshit traffic stops so many cops are out there making just to get monthly revenue up to pay their salaries.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

My point again is if LP or the Manager was that suspicious of a transaction to feel the need to follow up with security or Police I don’t understand why they would let that transaction go through in the first place. That honestly makes no sense.

But I said my piece, so I’m not gonna keep going on about it.

 

[Dominus]

And I'm not going to try to prove to a random stranger it happened, especially when it's unprovable. The whole thing happened rather quickly and it was late in the day so I just wanted to go home. And unlike most people, when a store or cop wants my ID, I'm not going to make a scene out of something small like that.

One last thing. It seems to me that most of the time when some one says they don't believe in something, their reason is always it doesn't make sense for that person to do this etc. Yes, because everything and everyone in life is so logical all the time.

Tearing up $100 bill without checking whether it's real or not is so logical.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ees-ripped-womans-100-bills-thought-fake.html

Commanding someone to give you his ID and then shoot him because he moved is so logical.

https://www.google.com/search?q=phi...droid-verizon&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Or shooting into the dark without knowing what or who is there is so logical.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...fatally-shot-by-a-minneapolis-police-officer/

I'm just saying. When there is a personal agenda against someone, all of a sudden the world is 100% logical all the time and there is no unknown factor.

 

[NotHardUp1]

The sequence may have been improbable for most stores, but individuals are individuals. The manager present, or the onlookers, could have easily felt uneasy that the transaction wasn't technically violating their rules. Any of them could have decided to fall back on just reporting the guy (our member) to see if police might find something by running a check on him. Whereas they had no crime committed and could not detain him, they well could have second guessed their decision to make the sales and leapt to try to do something.

Lots of managers second guess their own actions in that narrow window of time, in the heat of the moment. They are not all solid in their decisions.

Still not clear on why the OP's account merits scorn. He didn't aggrandize himself. He didn't claim some incredible feat like stowing away in the wheel well of a 737. He didn't tell a tale of police brutality or heroic defiance.

Maybe it's because he admitted to shopping at Wal-Mart, that plus being on the wrong side of the social divide on the forum?

If randomly calling posters liars is a valid practice, a member could simply do it every time a member ever posts anything. The entirety of the pictures, posts, and everything else could be a lie. It's possible. Saying it every time someone posts is probably as allowable as making three purchases with a single credit card at checkout.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

And I'm not going to try to prove to a random stranger it happened, especially when it's unprovable. The whole thing happened rather quickly and it was late in the day so I just wanted to go home. And unlike most people, when a store or cop wants my ID, I'm not going to make a scene out of something small like that.

One last thing. It seems to me that most of the time when some one says they don't believe in something, their reason is always it doesn't make sense for that person to do this etc. Yes, because everything and everyone in life is so logical all the time.

Tearing up $100 bill without checking whether it's real or not is so logical.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ees-ripped-womans-100-bills-thought-fake.html

Commanding someone to give you his ID and then shoot him because he moved is so logical.

https://www.google.com/search?q=phi...droid-verizon&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Or shooting into the dark without knowing what or who is there is so logical.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...fatally-shot-by-a-minneapolis-police-officer/

I'm just saying. When there is a personal agenda against someone, all of a sudden the world is 100% logical all the time and there is no unknown factor.

But you asked for random strangers who have experience to comment on in, which I did. I am not replying based on belief or logic, it’s based on experience and even a few other people who had similar responses.

Hardup, please stop white knighting right now. I’ve already explained why I questioned the OPs story, I’m not “randomly” calling him a liar and couldn’t give two fucks if he shops at Wal-mart, I mean really? You’re reaching that far? You are seriously just as catty as many other posters while trying to appear above that.

 

[sixthson]

Why are people so bitchy about the OP's post?

It wasn't extreme, or controversial. Just calling him a liar is little more than saying, "get the hell out. We are the posse of that guy who hates you here. We have to support him and hoped you'd never return." Pissy, queeny, shitty. Stop doing it. If someone posts something ratty, then ok, but this is just schoolyard crap.

His threads are not outrageous, not confrontational, yet you go out of your way to slam him.

It's perfectly plausible that some shift manager contacted the cop they keep on duty or retainer. I shopped at a grocer in Anchorage that always had a cop in uniform on duty.

As many have already responded, the likely cause of the concern is that three lower balance transactions might be a thief's way of keeping below the alert radar if the credit card monitored transactions for patterns.

There is a history of this kind of thing at JUB. Someone will take a dislike to another JUBber and all his pals tag team the guy. Oddly enough, in this case, the attackers hate each other but join forces to drive them out. We saw it with refuji and taralen. I guess it's a case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

 

[eastofeden]

In California now...they just get a ticket for stealing if it is under a certain amount...not even worth it to call the cops.....and so many laws protect them that it is dizzying to even keep up with them....

Credit card fraud though..worth it to do what you can to prevent it. It can be quite costly depending on the type of transaction...and I have paid dearly (thousands of dollars on one transaction)...so I know.

 

[eastofeden]

There is a history of this kind of thing at JUB. Someone will take a dislike to another JUBber and all his pals tag team the guy. Oddly enough, in this case, the attackers hate each other but join forces to drive them out. We saw it with refuji and taralen. I guess it's a case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

You seem to know alot about that behavior.

Do you participate in it yourself?