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Anyone Watching the Democratic Debates?

Sausy

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Gone through the first hour and though I really hate this format(just way too cluttered, too much to go over in such limited time) we know with twenty of the candidates appearing(ten tonight, ten tomorrow night) there was never going to be an ideal way to fairly let everyone express themselves to a deep, detailed extent. But generally impressed with most of the first ten candidates and I would be so much happier with any of these people compared to the inmate running the asylum now. And despite differences the clear thing is we have so much more in common that unites us than divides us... it's more how to get to a certain outcome best than being completely at odds with policy. Still, the last thing we need are more corporate, establishment types outside this group diluting our overall progressive outlook...at our best we are a liberal party that wants to build an America that works for everyone, most importantly those communities left vulnerable and are not sharing in the economic growth we have had since coming out of the Recession of 2008. And we don't need "progressives" who look only for the purist ideologue...even if we get the White House in 2020, we'll need the House to remain Democratic and face an uphill battle to regain the Senate. We have 53 Republicans, 47 Democrats(and Democratic- caucusing independents) and it will be a bitch to keep everyone together even should we get a majority. The GOP will not simply go away, they'll double down on their obstructive tactics and nothing is going to come easy.

What did you think? Who impressed you, who left you shaking your head... I really enjoy it so far.
 
Missed the actual debate live but catching up now.

I like that it wasn't all about Trump or his voters. Some of them have more to do when it comes to how to deal with McConnell but at last, climate change is an issue in the debates and not something that has been swept under the rug because everyone is afraid of pissing off their corporate overlord owners.

https://www.vox.com/2019/6/27/18760...UcKtzwFcwfnysHvf97fYkOk6FP-bsVvg18RrFEJ1GJj0M
 
From last night: My favorites going into the debate were Inslee, O'Rourke, and Booker.

After the debate, I would remove O'Rourke from the list and add Warren.

I also was extremely impressed with Tulsi Gabbard (Never knew anything about her).

I thought that the 2 worst performances were from Castro and Klobuchar -- which makes me sad.

Those are my thoughts from last night -- and apparently the "media" doesn't agree. :lol:
 
The debates seem to me like they're primarily about charisma. Who can project their personality with the most aplomb?

They hardly seem like a substantive look at a candidate's policy plans or a reasonable review of their qualifications.

After debate one, on that principle, Julian Castro got the most personality points for me. Warren held her ground, smart and vigorous. Gabbard was a bore and Klobuchar fell flat. I was disappointed in Inslee whose environmental platform appeals to me a lot. Booker looked worried to me, lots of scrunchy faces. Poor Beto. Bill de Blasio was trying too, too hard. I liked Delaney, but doesn't seem like he can capture attention, like Ryan.
 
^Isn't it funny that we watched the same debate and left with completely different conclusions? :lol:

I agree with you about Delaney -- I didn't include him or Deblasio -- well, because...

Tonight, the only 2 candidates that I'm excited about are Buttigieg and Harris.

Not that a I dislike Biden or Sanders -- I just truly believe that they are too old.
 
I did not watch last night, and am just now tuning in tonight.

Really, the little candidates don't have the steam to win the office. What is dangerous is that the hard left will likely make enough talking points for the GOP that the winner of the Democratic nomination may well come out too damaged to win. The DNC has such weak party discipline that it couldn't even narrow the field reasonably. After it's all said and done, what's the power of the party if it cannot manage its members.

The same has been seen in the House. The rebellion against the Speaker is every bit as much a threat as the Tea Party was to Speaker Ryan.

And it bears waaaay too much resemblance to the GOP field for 2016.
 
I saw last night and tonight. I can't remember who said what, but that is just me. Although at times it was a shouting match, for the most part it was pretty good and informative for this stage in the election. It introduced me to a number of candidates I had not seen before.
 
ANDREW YANG will win because of his policies and details.
The devil is in the details. I am very confident about this.
 
Listening now. I wish they'd have listed more comprehensive plans - Tho I will say that Bernie's 'people need to march on insurance companies/medical needs' when the candidates were asked about their medical plans sounded an awful lot like a one-prong maneuver. While I understand a cohesive will-of-the-people is necessary, that will needs to be pared with an actual plan. Or at least a general outline of one. Hearing a refrain does not engender me to believing he has a solid schematic that we're gonna be working from.
 
I watched tonight's debate. I am satisfied that Biden is my choice. Bernie, was well Bernie and unchanging. The problem with this format is that the candidates just don't have enough time to get their message across.
 
I think Kamala Harris showed last night she could be a very conceivable Democratic nominee for President. And Biden mischaracterized his criticism of her attack on his working with segregationists regarding opposing forced busing, which he said was "mischaracterized". No, it wasn't. As good as Biden has been on most civil rights legislation, he was terrible in his actions on busing... it was intensive, it was a crusade to him, and on this he worked with and was praised by those segregationists for his work here. Even though busing may not have been the best way to integrate, countless young black students like Kamala Harris would likely never had achieved a way to prosperity without integration being forced in some instances as she made poignantly clear. Biden on too many issues has been on the wrong side... too tied to "law and order" culminating in the crime bill which caused as many problems as it solved. Pro Iraq War. Too accommodationist with Republicans. Too accommodationist with corporate America. Infinitely better than Trump, but almost anything is better than absolute garbage.

Biden thinks, "you put me in and vote out Trump, and the Republicans will work with me". Not Even Michael Bennet, not exactly a firebrand progressive even, scoffed at the idea Trump could get anything constructive done with the likes of Senate Majority Leader Mitch Mc Connell(Otherwise known as Elaine Chao's Gravy Train) in one of his few positive moments last night. The Democrats should turn the page with Biden, who is just from another time these days and if Democratic voters think Biden is the best we've got... I just shake my head.

Bernie... stump speeches aren't enough, getting angry isn't enough...and I love Bernie. But you have to be sharp and proactive, not a moralistic scold. You have to go from a slightly different angle on why your vision of the party is better than just the millionaires and billionaires screed. You have to convince a lot of people susceptible to Republican spin (and some Democratic) pushing back on socialism... even though I agree with a lot of what Bernie says, it's a leap of faith going from capitalism(and in today's climate, corporatism)to a much more European style social democracy. It's a hard sell, but you have to sell it. You have to connect with millions who may feel things aren't great, or even good, but going your way … and so quickly, may prove disastrous. You have to give them the reason to take that leap, and boy you fucked that up last night. Finish your term and retire, be happy, get involved in some projects you love that will help the vulnerable and the average person... but after this term, retire.

Some random thoughts, and I appreciate hearing from those posting here.
 
Sausy said:
I think Kamala Harris showed last night she could be a very conceivable Democratic nominee for President. And Biden mischaracterized his criticism of her attack on his working with segregationists regarding opposing forced busing, which he said was "mischaracterized". No, it wasn't. As good as Biden has been on most civil rights legislation, he was terrible in his actions on busing... it was intensive, it was a crusade to him, and on this he worked with and was praised by those segregationists for his work here. Even though busing may not have been the best way to integrate, countless young black students like Kamala Harris would likely never had achieved a way to prosperity without integration being forced in some instances as she made poignantly clear. Biden on too many issues has been on the wrong side... too tied to "law and order" culminating in the crime bill which caused as many problems as it solved. Pro Iraq War. Too accommodationist with Republicans. Too accommodationist with corporate America. Infinitely better than Trump, but almost anything is better than absolute garbage.

Biden thinks, "you put me in and vote out Trump, and the Republicans will work with me". Not Even Michael Bennet, not exactly a firebrand progressive even, scoffed at the idea Trump could get anything constructive done with the likes of Senate Majority Leader Mitch Mc Connell(Otherwise known as Elaine Chao's Gravy Train) in one of his few positive moments last night. The Democrats should turn the page with Biden, who is just from another time these days and if Democratic voters think Biden is the best we've got... I just shake my head.

Bernie... stump speeches aren't enough, getting angry isn't enough...and I love Bernie. But you have to be sharp and proactive, not a moralistic scold. You have to go from a slightly different angle on why your vision of the party is better than just the millionaires and billionaires screed. You have to convince a lot of people susceptible to Republican spin (and some Democratic) pushing back on socialism... even though I agree with a lot of what Bernie says, it's a leap of faith going from capitalism(and in today's climate, corporatism)to a much more European style social democracy. It's a hard sell, but you have to sell it. You have to connect with millions who may feel things aren't great, or even good, but going your way … and so quickly, may prove disastrous. You have to give them the reason to take that leap, and boy you fucked that up last night. Finish your term and retire, be happy, get involved in some projects you love that will help the vulnerable and the average person... but after this term, retire.

Some random thoughts, and I appreciate hearing from those posting here.
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No matter how good you talk, its ALL about your policy. What are her policies??? No one knows, of course she is good at attacking.
However, Andrew Yang has the best policy, UBI Freedom divined plus over hundred policies.
During the debate NO candidates dare questioning Andrew Yang about UBI because they are afraid so they stay clear of it.
 
Re: Yang Gang 2020 [Andrew Yang, presidential candidate]

Telstra said:
Yes, poll says Yang won the debate with only 2 minutes given and Mic cut off during the debate

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...econd-night-of-the-democratic-debate-vote-now
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That is not a valid poll. It was internet trolls who declared him the winner.

None of the aforementioned polls were accurate or scientific. Rather, the fringe results were the work of trolls from Trump-friendly spaces of the internet, such as Reddit’s r/The_Donald and 4chan’s /pol/, attempting to game the surveys in order to spread low-level misinformation.

As Mother Jones noted, during Thursday night’s debate, trolls from /pol/ attempted to inflate Yang’s numbers — as well as those of author Marianne Williamson, who came in second in the Drudge survey — in post-debate polls about which candidate had performed best.
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https://thinkprogress.org/trolls-on...ers-of-second-democratic-debate-ca69e056a03a/
 
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