Anything good happening in German?

[Willie Boy]

I did a Google. You're right. Pizza isn't American, but neither is it Chinese. It is, indeed, Italian. Deep-dish pizza is American. It was invented in Chicago.

http://www.pizzafacts.net/pizza-history/pizza-timeline/

Marco Polo originally brought pizza back from China during one of his trade runs. The Italians then updated it, then we Americans updated their updates. But pizza still originated in China. Pizza as we know it is claimed for Italy, just like Chicago Deep Dish pizza is claimed for America.

 

[JohnnyAnger]

Marco Polo originally brought pizza back from China during one of his trade runs. The Italians then updated it, then we Americans updated their updates. But pizza still originated in China. Pizza as we know it is claimed for Italy, just like Chicago Deep Dish pizza is claimed for America.

I think there is some confusion here - the story with Marco Polo was that he brought noodles to Italy, and this became pasta (although even this is massively challenged as he never really mentioned eating noodles, along with his entire story as the Chinese and Mongols make no references to him ever coming). Pizza has always been found in the Med area, with finds showing the ancient Greeks were eating it, as were people in Sardinia 7,000 years ago.

The modern pizza as we know it though, grew up in the south of Italy.

The biggest hint that the Chinese probably didn't invent pizza comes from the fact they don't eat much in the way of bread topped dishes.

 

[gsdx]

Marco Polo originally brought pizza back from China during one of his trade runs.

I bet he didn't make it in 30 minutes or less.

(Still, Marco Polo trip to the Far East was in the 1200s. History says that pizza was available in the first millennium BCE. Pizza were even discovered in the ruins of Pompeii. Marco may have brought it back from China, but pizza as we know it didn't really exist until tomatoes were brought back from the New World in the 1500s. So, let's just say that pizza is Italian/Chinese/American.)

By the way, Boston Pizza is Canadian. I'm not even sure if it is available in the States.

Education is wonderful.

Stay in school.

 

[Essex Boy]

^
This got me wondering whether the name pizza was connected with pissaladière niçoise, and sure enough it is. Pis-salat means salted fish, referring to the anchovy fillets.

 

[kallipolis]

In the Italian language pizza references pie.

 

[rareboy]

Marco Polo originally brought pizza back from China during one of his trade runs. The Italians then updated it, then we Americans updated their updates. But pizza still originated in China. Pizza as we know it is claimed for Italy, just like Chicago Deep Dish pizza is claimed for America.

mmmm....I think you meant pasta........

 

[Essex Boy]

In the Italian language pizza references pie.

I'm old enough to remember when we called it a "pizza pie" because it was so foreign and exotic we didn't know how else to classify it. I don't remember anyone saying "lasagna pie" though.

 

[Willie Boy]

The biggest hint that the Chinese probably didn't invent pizza comes from the fact they don't eat much in the way of bread topped dishes.

Pizza isn't a bread topped dish.

I bet he didn't make it in 30 minutes or less.

Probably not. It isn't like he had access to rapid transit anything.

mmmm....I think you meant pasta........

He brought pasta as well, but also pizza. Although it wasn't known as pizza yet.

 

[Vannie]

Did you know you can make Pizza Stuffed Cabbage?

http://www.food.com/recipe/pizza-stuffed-cabbage-leaves-210834

 

[JohnnyAnger]

He brought pasta as well, but also pizza. Although it wasn't known as pizza yet.

Historical evidence in Europe suggests that pizza was not transmitted to Europe by Marco Polo, but existed in the Mediterranean long before his time.[2][3] The first recorded use of the word "pizza" dates from 997 AD (in a Latin text from the town of Gaeta in southern Italy),[4] more than 250 years before Marco Polo was born.

 

[JohnnyAnger]

Pizza isn't a bread topped dish.

Its a flat bread with stuff on top of it, then baked (pitta and pizza should give that one away really)

 

[rareboy]

There is a story in China that pizza is an evolution of the scallion pancake, brought back to Italy by Marco Polo. A humorous newspaper article, that also includes Marco Polo inventing cheese fondue when he is lost in the Alps and wants to eat Chinese hotpot, describes the invention of pizza this way:[1]

Marco Polo missed scallion pancakes so much that when he was back in Italy, he tried to find chefs willing to make the pancake for him. One day, he managed to meet a chef from Naples at a friend's dinner party and persuaded him to try recreating the dish. After half a day without success, Marco Polo suggested the filling be put on top rather than inside the dough. The change, by chance, created a dish praised by everyone at the party. The chefs returned to Naples and improvised by adding cheese and other ingredients and formed today's pizza.

Historical evidence in Europe suggests that pizza was not transmitted to Europe by Marco Polo, but existed in the Mediterranean long before his time.[2][3] The first recorded use of the word "pizza" dates from 997 AD (in a Latin text from the town of Gaeta in southern Italy),[4] more than 250 years before Marco Polo was born.

I think that flatbreads with toppings likely were a big thing in Italy through Byzantium before Marco Polo......the Chinese have nothing like pizza with toppings on the top.

 

[Willie Boy]

Its a flat bread with stuff on top of it, then baked (pitta and pizza should give that one away really)

Ah, but it is not a dish topped with bread (aka a bread topped dish)

 

[JohnnyAnger]

Ah, but it is not a dish topped with bread (aka a bread topped dish)

You're a real bundle of fun - why don't you go back to telling us we're all wrong on the history of pizza again.

 

[rareboy]

Willie.....

 

[otters]

So what's the latest happenings in Germany...???

"At the anniversary of the Pegida protests in Dresden on 19 October 2015, Pirinçci was invited as keynote speaker. He accused German politicians of being "Gauleiter against their own people", called Germany a "shit state" ("Scheißstaat") and female asylum seekers "fugitive sluts" ("flüchtende Schlampen"). Further, according to Pirinçci, Muslims want to "pump infidels full of their Muslim juice" ("Ungläubige mit ihrem Moslemsaft vollpumpen") and Germany awaits a "Muslim garbage dump" ("Moslemmüllhalde"). He called the German Green Party a "Party of child fuckers" ("Kinderfickerpartei"), and the spokesperson for the mosque in Erfurt a "Muslim freak with a Taliban beard" ("Moslemfritzen mit Talibanbart"), who had as much to do with German culture as "my asshole with the production of perfume" ("wie mein Arschloch mit Parfümherstellung").[2] Volker Beck, member of parliament for the German Green Party, filed charges against Pirinçci for public incitement to criminal acts and incitement to hatred. A spokesperson for the federal prosecutor's office confirmed that an investigation is ongoing.[3] The publisher Random House issued a statement that it had cancelled its contract with Pirinçci and would no longer sell any of his books.[4][5]"

"Publisher abandons Turkish-born Pirincci over PEGIDA speech
A Turkish-born German author and known PEGIDA supporter Akif Pirincci is facing stern criticism after speaking at a rally. His book publisher canceled all contracts, even PEGIDA's co-founder apologized for his comments."
http://www.dw.com/en/publisher-abandons-turkish-born-pirincci-over-pegida-speech/a-18794193

"Tommy Robinson tells German anti-Islam protesters refugees are 'invading Europe' as Pegida marks anniversary
The EDL founder spoke as tens of thousands of people protested against Germany's asylum policy"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...invading-europe-as-pegida-marks-a6701486.html

 

[otters]

"Tommy Robinson tells German anti-Islam protesters refugees are 'invading Europe' as Pegida marks anniversary
The EDL founder spoke as tens of thousands of people protested against Germany's asylum policy"

@mikemizanin729:

1. Let's talk about Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (born 27 November 1982), known by the pseudonym Tommy Robinson and also going by Andrew McMaster and Paul Harris.

Can YOU imagine a member of The Royal Family would

[…]EVEN touch (him) with a shitpole let alone a Royal staff.

2. Do YOU trust Mr Pirinçci? I mean, he's a Muslim Immigrant, after all… and they're ALL tricksters, ALWAYS, aren't they?

 

[JohnnyAnger]

Here's a question for German speakers. What is the best translation of the word hovel? An online dictionary told me bruchbude, but my actual dictionary told me elende Hutte - which is correct?

 

[otters]

Here's a question for German speakers. What is the best translation of the word hovel? An online dictionary told me bruchbude, but my actual dictionary told me elende Hutte - which is correct?

I'd say "Bruchbude" and "elende Hütte" are more or less synonyms. Bruchbude: "a dwelling nothing worth but demolition"; elende Hütte: "a pathetic hut".

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

Here's a question for German speakers. What is the best translation of the word hovel?

"Reichstag" is the word you're looking for.