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Apologies to anyone who is a Catholic

TriBi said:
...but I find this utterly sickening, mindless and stupid beyond belief:
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25146388-663,00.html

Briefly, in Brasil, a 9 year old girl (allegedly) raped by her stepfather was pregnant with twins. Because carrying them to term would have killed her, the foetuses were aborted.

The Archbishop for the region has stated that those involved in the procedure which saved the girls life (her mother and the doctors involved) will be excommunicated from the Catholic Church.

Excuse me? What sort of blind bigotry is this? I know I have never been a fan of organised religion - and this sort of idiocy only reinforces my opinion.

The Archbishop should be excommunicated - and dragged over hot coals - for being an unfeeling, unthinking, uncaring, bereft of compassion, mindless moron.

No doubt the Pope would approve of his actions. I don't.

Fucking unbelievable.
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Not defending the archbishop here but the full story on this is that the Catholic Church stance is the same as those of the religious-right, abortions only acceptable if carrying the baby to term would endanger the life of the mother. The archbishop here said in his statement announcing the excommunication that they (the church) believed that the girl would've been able to carry the babies to term and had a caesarean when she reached term.

A load of bull in my opinion, but for the sake of objectivity and full disclosure, his decision was premised on some reasoning.
 
the poor poor girl :(
 
josher said:
Once again people making assumptions who know little or nothing about the Catholic Church.

Both the unnamed "correspondents" who filed the story and the reporter who wrote it have their facts confused.

The archbishop (whose title is certainly not "Father", the first clue that they're talking out of their asses) won't be excommunicating anyone.

Church law says that anyone who has an abortion or who in any way assists someone in having an abortion is automatically excommunicated, that is, they bring it on themselves. No one formally "excommunicates' them. Any knowledgeable Catholic is aware of this.

I doubt this applies to the little girl who is too young to be considered guilty of anything.

Since we only hear the archbishop talking about the automatic excommunication, we have no idea what else he had to say about the matter.

I hope that he condemned the entire situation as a human trajedy: the rape, the pregnancy, the threat to the child's life and the abortion.

And most of all I hope he condemned the father, who should go to prison, if he hasn't already.

And the automatic excommunications can be lifted in Confession.
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QFT ............
 
Please don't judge a whole religion by the misguided actions of a stupid cleric.

The archbishop was wrong.

I think most Catholics would agree with that.

The days of blind faith in the doctrine that the Pope doesn't fail are long gone.

People are more educated, and think more independently. Are there Cathaholics, sure... But I think the vast majority are not 100% in synch with the Holy See.

I sure am not....
 
Calling it "excommunication" sounds really drama-queeny. Mr. Archbishop is grasping at relevance.

Why care if he says "We don't agree so you can't be members of my club." Who cares?

I'm glad the girl got compassionate medical care that recognized her basic right to health and took into consideration what her body could take and what it could not. I hope she has a bright future, and I hope we learn not to care about the irrelevant opinions of "gruesome elderly virgins" who tell stories to scare children.
 
An update - and a note of sanity...

Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva has sharply criticised a Catholic archbishop who ordered the excommunication of the mother and doctors of a nine-year-old girl who had an abortion.

"As a Christian and a Catholic, I deeply regret that a bishop of the Catholic Church has such a conservative attitude," he said.

"The doctors did what had to be done - save the life of a girl of nine years.

"In this case, the medical profession was more right than the Church."

Full article here:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/03/07/2510130.htm
 
Fuck the church. Its days of meddeling in the affairs of actual countries are numbered.
 
It's not interested in morality, but power and influence. "Morality," to the church heirarchy is simply an instrument of control.
 
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