On-Topic Apparently there is a police problem in America, killing unarmed minorities at disproportionate rates, and indifference, or is it urban legend?

[fabulouslyghetto]

https://www.vox.com/cards/police-brutality-shootings-us/us-police-racism

An analysis of the available FBI data by Vox's Dara Lind found that US police kill black people at disproportionate rates: Black people accounted for 31 percent of police killing victims in 2012, even though they made up just 13 percent of the US population.

The disparities appear to be even starker for unarmed suspects, according to an analysis of 2015 police killings by the Guardian. Racial minorities made up about 37.4 percent of the general population in the US and 46.6 percent of armed and unarmed victims, but they made up 62.7 percent of unarmed people killed by police.

unfortunately protests against this atrocity such as Black Lives Matter or Colin Kaepernick kneeling during the anthem are met with staunch opposition, although the free speech of nazis is strongly defended by the American public including our president, the NFL has announced a fine for players who follow Kaepernick's footsteps and nobody is crying about their free speech being suppressed. whenever, wherever and however black people say "stop killing us" the answer is "shut the fuck up." Black Lives Matter, despite an almost complete lack of violence from the movement people liken it to a violent, anti-police hate group and BLM seems to garner infinitely more hate than the KKK who still marches in America, unopposed, despite their history of sexual assault, bombing, harassment, assault, torture and lynching. outside of a few pockets here and there, nobody is really concerned about this.

 

[unloadonme]

Urban legend. Definitely.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Urban legend. Definitely.

Nah it's right there in black and white [no pun], if you'd like I could try to present the facts in a more elementary format??

 

[Cormac135]

Can't really view the link without signing up to some cookie mess, but no matter, despite being bi-racial i'm forever grateful i don't have brown skin, my life no doubt would have been a nightmare because of it.

Hopefully with the likes of groups like BLM the tide will start turning for the better.

 

[Beachguyj]

I think if you fight with the popo and try to run away and claim you are a dindo nuffin you might get shot.

 

[opinterph]

Moderator Notice

This thread was moved from Hot Topics to Current Events and Politics.

This thread is designated On-Topic.

The topic of this discussion includes:

• The Vox card stack: Police shootings and brutality in the US: 9 things you should know, published May 6, 2017

• Protests related to the disproportionate killings, including; Black Lives Matter, Colin Kaepernick kneeling during the national anthem, and the NFL anthem policy

• Defense of [Neo] Nazi groups’ right to free speech by the American public and US President

• Comparisons between Black Lives Matter and the KKK

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Can't really view the link without signing up to some cookie mess, but no matter, despite being bi-racial i'm forever grateful i don't have brown skin, my life no doubt would have been a nightmare because of it.

Hopefully with the likes of groups like BLM the tide will start turning for the better.

??? I'm able to view the link

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I think if you fight with the popo and try to run away and claim you are a dindo nuffin you might get shot.

The casualness with which you and others defend deadly force is exactly the problem we're talking about. I would like to believe you don't think minorities are deserving of death but your font seems to suggest so.

Police officers in the US shoot and kill hundreds of people each year, according to the FBI's very limited data — far more than other developed countries like the UK, Japan, and Germany, where police officers might go an entire year without killing more than a dozen people or even anyone at all.

 

[Beachguyj]

The casualness with which you and others defend deadly force is exactly the problem we're talking about. I would like to believe you don't think minorities are deserving of death but your font seems to suggest so.

What fond should I use Arial Black? [

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

What fond should I use Arial Black? [

The type is irrelevant, rather the content that when presented with information that shows, plain as day, a bias in deadly force against certain people, your response is "Well they shouldn't have ran" which is not only irrelevant because many of them were already detained, cuffed or compliant, but nowhere in US law is running from police punishable by deadly force, when the law is broken police are basically a glorified taxi to shuttle you to court for your constitutionally guaranteed due process. That your response to a miniscule portion of the population being murdered by police in excessive rates is "Don't run" implies you either aren't taking the topic seriously, do not understand the concept of due process, or else you're defending the indefensible.

 

[opinterph]

… the NFL has announced a fine for players who follow Kaepernick's footsteps and nobody is crying about their free speech being suppressed.

It’s been all over the news. There’s even a thread about it here on JUB: This is Trump's 'winning'. [NFL anthem policy]

Lots of people are “crying” about the NFL players’ free speech rights.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

It’s been all over the news. There’s even a thread about it here on JUB: This is Trump's 'winning'. [NFL anthem policy]

Lots of people are “crying” about the NFL players’ free speech rights.

"Lots" is subjective, no? My experience, which I hope is valid, is that more people vigorously defended the march in Charlottesville than Colin's protest. The backlash he received was immense, greatly surpassing any support for him outside of black America, there isn't a real pushback against him being blackballed or the new rule besides one coach volunteering to pay the fine. None of the major human rights organizations that I know of have touched this with a ten foot pole and other than some lovely spirits on JUB I really don't see the "lots" you're talking about. Forgive me if I'm misspeaking, but I've only seen you specifically defend one of these protests and it's not the one about ending police violence. I do sincerely apologize if that is a mischaracterization on my behalf, I'd hate to falsely portray someone's beliefs here.

 

[opinterph]

(From linked source)

Black people accounted for 31 percent of police killing victims in 2012, even though they made up just 13 percent of the US population. Although the data is incomplete because it's based on voluntary reports from police agencies around the country, it highlights the vast disparities in how police use force.

The Vox card stack linked in the opening post was published a year ago and uses data from 2012. Has your research of this issue extended beyond that year to include more recent data and if so, have you noticed any changes in the more contemporary data?

 

[opinterph]

I've only seen you specifically defend one of these protests and it's not the one about ending police violence.

This is an On-Topic discussion and my posting history is not a part of the topic. Please refer to the opening post and subsequent Moderator Notice.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

This is an On-Topic discussion and my posting history is not a part of the topic. Please refer to the opening post and subsequent Moderator Notice.

Defense of [Neo] Nazi groups’ right to free speech, Colin Kaepernick kneeling during the national anthem, and the NFL anthem policy

I'm confused, that's exactly what my post was about. Most of the same words and phrases even mirror each other.

 

[ballcaphair]

Nah it's right there in black and white [no pun], if you'd like I could try to present the facts in a more elementary format??

You could be a black man or boy walking or driving home at dusk and see how that feels.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

You could be a black man or boy walking or driving home at dusk and see how that feels.

 

[ballcaphair]

You could be a black man or boy walking or driving home at dusk and see how that feels.

I apologize. I'd intended to double quote this post. It's actually a comment and suggestion for unloadonme.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I apologize. I'd intended to double quote this post. It's actually a comment and suggestion for unloadonme.

I got it, I hoped he did.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Heartwarming story [albeit still sad that this is becoming an exception], local news reports an officer responded to some kind of vehicle call, perhaps road rage or an accident, that escalated to the point a firearm was drawn, the officer was able to de-escalate the situation and everybody lived, we need more level-headed cops like this who don't immediately go into 9-year-old-boy-playing-video-game mode and start firing shots.