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Apple CEO Tim Cook has a point, the Government does a bad job at keeping us safe.

Kulindahr said:
Roughly half of those are due to Congress' abysmal failure at applying their Constitution-provided authority to organize and discipline the militia. For example, it never ceases to amaze me that people who would never, ever leave a bottle of Ospho or drain cleaner sitting around where children could "play" with it fail to be at least equally certain their guns aren't handled by the wrong hands.
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You just couldn't help yourself could you.....

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.....TEAM APPLE!!!!.....

Even though they are the evil overlord.
 
TX-Beau said:
You just couldn't help yourself could you.....

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.....TEAM APPLE!!!!.....

Even though they are the evil overlord.
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It's actually a good parallel: Congress has been piss-poor at protecting us in either arena. And the reason behind that is the same in both cases: the wealthy folks they hobnob with, who funnel them the money for their campaigns, don't have to worry abut protection more common folk do, since they can hire professionals to do it for them.

Congress should be slapping down the FBI for leaning on Apple... but where are they? Oh, yeah -- hobnobbing with rich people so they can keep the campaign money flowing.
 
And yet, in an election year, some bright politician could probably make quite a bit of headway taking this up.

I'm under no illusions about Apple, but I fear more giving the Fed unrestricted access to my Iphone, they'd see I'm a HUGE MO! The HORROR!!
 
It would be one thing if they followed a path using limited and specific warrants from public courts, and there was a way to get into that particular iphone without compromising everyone else, but since there isn't, and they didn't, no way no how.
 
TX-Beau said:
And yet, in an election year, some bright politician could probably make quite a bit of headway taking this up.

I'm under no illusions about Apple, but I fear more giving the Fed unrestricted access to my Iphone, they'd see I'm a HUGE MO! The HORROR!!
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Politicians won't touch it because no matter which way they jump, they're going to get screamed at loudly. Crap, I listened to callers on a talk radio show on this topic; half were ranting that Apple was supporting terrorists and half that Apple was a shining example of patriotism! I hoped in vain for at least one caller to say Apple is arrogant and manipulative (among other things) but on this point they're on the side of the people.
 
TX-Beau said:
It would be one thing if they followed a path using limited and specific warrants from public courts, and there was a way to get into that particular iphone without compromising everyone else, but since there isn't, and they didn't, no way no how.
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You mean, if the FBI followed the Constitution?

Hey, when it comes to the government protecting us, it's always "We don't need no stinking Constitution!"
 
TX-Beau said:
It would be one thing if they followed a path using limited and specific warrants from public courts, and there was a way to get into that particular iphone without compromising everyone else, but since there isn't, and they didn't, no way no how.
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Same thing I said in a phone conversation a few days ago. I think it was when I was talking with Sausy. They would be doing it with a warrant, and with probable cause - as prescribed in the Fourth Amendment.

Why is it that Apple can't unlock one phone, without handing the keys to the Feds?

The thought of THAT, and a presidential candidate who would require registration of Muslims - and who else, possibly, would the STATES use that "precedent" to register within THEIR borders? Do, pray, tell?? - is scary. Mandatory government egistration of people because of affiliation, etc., doesn't usually end well.

Kulindahr said:
You mean, if the FBI followed the Constitution?
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Precisely so.
 
The Constitution specificaly requires the Federal government to protect the states from invasion, and that is not going to happen soon. Maybe with Trump but I doubt it.
 
frankfrank said:
^ Sure, right. But why can't APPLE unlock the phone, without government assistance, and NOT make the government privy to the hacking method in any way?
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It will set a precedent. As soon as a method to unlock a phone is developed it will be subject to further court orders and warrants across the USA and internationally. The likely subsequent sharing of encryption unlock methods also assumes that all agencies privy to that method do not leak and have equally high security standards (which many prove not to have).

Why should a company like Apple be subject to fishing exercises, frivolous lawsuits, low-level security agency demands and inevitably family courts and employers who wish to access someone's secure iPhone?
 
Joe Blow did something, so now we want the ability to hack every IPhone. It's not like dumping phone logs (those can be obtained with a warrant).
 
frankfrank said:
^ Sure, right. But why can't APPLE unlock the phone, without government assistance, and NOT make the government privy to the hacking method in any way?
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Is the FBI willing to pay for the process of figuring out how to unlock a phone that was designed to be unlockable except by the owner? Apple intention ally designed the phone in such a way that they can't even get into it -- that was their assurance of real privacy. One talking head, supposedly an expert, guessed the project would cost multiple millions.

This is a no-brainer under the Constitution: unless the government can specify what exact material they're seeking, they've got no grounds. If the courts tell Apple to comply, they'll basically be asserting that the government can demand any information from anyone at any time on the mere statement of suspicion -- in other words, the Fourth Amendment would be dead.

BTW, since the phone in question is a company phone, and companies are considered legal persons, they should just invoke the Fifth Amendment and refuse to cooperate with the FBI. And Apple could take the position that they are not going to work to compromise the owner's constitutional rights.
 
Benvolio said:
The Constitution specificaly [sic] requires the Federal government to protect the states from invasion, and that is not going to happen soon. Maybe with Trump but I doubt it.
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The topic of the thread is police investigation.
 
Alnitak said:
The topic of the thread is police investigation.
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Look again. The thread is about the bad job the government does keeping us safe, not about the police, which is not a function of the federal government.
 
Benvolio said:
Look again. The thread is about the bad job the government does keeping us safe, not about the police, which is not a function of the federal government.
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From a technological standpoint. Apple doesn't give a crap about dog whistle race politics.
 
Benvolio said:
Look again. The thread is about the bad job the government does keeping us safe, not about the police, which is not a function of the federal government.
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Federal Bureau of Investigation
US Marshal Service
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms
Drug Enforecemeny Agency

Am I missing any?
 
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