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[andysayshi]

And one other thing, no it doesn't offer just as much bandwidth in a single port. The other I/O formats offer vastly more bandwidth.

What other I/O protocol has higher bandwidth?

 

[andysayshi]

By the way in the GPU market, AMD/ATI is gaining a huge upper hand, especially in the upper range of the market. ATI has faster GPUs than Nvidia now.

As stated, I was talking about AMD CPUs, not GPUs. AMD clearly have the upper hand in display at the moment, but are slumping in CPU market share - only about 26% last quarter.

I've no real interest in mega-GPU specs. A mid range display card does everything I need, even in the pro video domain. The new Final Cut Pro may change that, however.

 

[andysayshi]

As the statement says, the combination. Practicality is missing on Thunderbolt, and I strongly believe it will be a business failure.

I don't understand what "combination" means? Thunderbolt has a total i/o theoretical maximum of 20 Gb/s. USB 3's is 4.8 Gb/s. And Thunderbolt is much more likely to approach it's theoretical maximum because it connects directly to the PCI Express bus, without intermediate controllers like USB.

Presuming AMD's "combination" quote means the combined data i/o of USB AND display port, it still barely gets close to the Thunderbolt specs, and even then ignores the fact that Thunderbolt will work in tandem with USB, not as a replacement to it.

 

[andysayshi]

No.

http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/item/21309-amd-to-gain-market-share-in-2011

It's market share, while not a majority, is actually increasing. And its poised to gain more... even more then what the source says above. It could control 40-45% of the market by the end of this year.

AMD is the leader in the graphics market, and could use that to further gain in the CPU market. It's just business.

Why do you guys continue to ignore facts? I'm really interested in knowing why.

Your cite is just a 6 month old prediction. (And from a site called Fudzilla, too!? )

Here are the actual facts:

Intel vs AMD market share, Q1 2011: 73 vs 26 percent
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/market_share.html

For high performance CPUs, like those in Mac Pro desktop systems, AMD simply don't rate. Their top performing CPU is about 50th on the best-peforming list.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

However, in terms of performance-for-dollar, AMD are great value in the low and mid-priced markets.

 

[andysayshi]

This still doesn't reach the threshold of the other outputs, and there is likely to be further revisions of USB. I'm going to say you're quite wrong. The combination far exceeds what thunderbolt offers.

I think I've said enough about this matter.

Sorry, I'm not being dense, but I don't understand what you mean. What threshold? What outputs? Please use specifics.

You know Thunderbolt will be constantly revised as well, right?

 

[JB3]

This still doesn't reach the threshold of the other outputs, and there is likely to be further revisions of USB. I'm going to say you're quite wrong. The combination far exceeds what thunderbolt offers.

I think I've said enough about this matter.

'Other outputs'? Andy provided you with a clear cut example and you haven't provided anything.

 

[foodandart]

... I think my experience with PCs is far greater then anything I have had with Macs...

No doubt!

If you actually got your hands on a proper snazzy new mac, you'd be pleasantly surprised. I'm learning the 'ins' and 'outs' of the OS at the Unix level as with all this MacDefender hooplah, I decided to bone up on my terminal commands. Hardly the stuff of beginners!

What PC people still mistakenly think, is that OSX is just a new version of the 'classic' OS 9.2.2 and back.. it's not. It's pure quill Unix.

As to the hardware, it's pretty much wide open if you have a Mac Pro - it's all expandable. Lots of FireWire, USB and expansion slots.. four internal SATA drives, DVD burner.

Yeah, the iMacs are fairly limited machines, your expansion is limited to FireWire or USB - haven't really looked at the Thunderbolt, but I can see where dumping terabyte drives with it would be sweet!

The graphics cards can now be swapped up and of course the RAM can go to ridiculous amounts.

Minis are nice media servers.. and the laptops.. MacBook Pros Yup. Quite nice.

Got a friend with one and he's pulled the optical drive, since he wasn't using it, and put in a second striped RAID drive and it just *flys*. Boots up quicker than my MP.

Since the CPU and board is a standard Intel architecture with North- and southbridge controllers and the processors are Intel Xeons, (I have a MacPro 1,1, which is 5 years old) I'm thinking of installing Windows 8 when it comes out. When Apple releases the updated 'Bootcamp' package that comes with the Windows versions of the Mac hardware drivers, I'll be good to go!

As to the price.. well, as I looked into it and found out.. it's not what you'd think, to get the hardware to match. (This is from a few years back, and note, I had to opt for hella large memory as 12 GB listed was the only amount that matched on both vendors pages)

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5200433&postcount=15

Hmmmm.

 

[andysayshi]

Again I will make this sufficiently clear to you, those are not up to date figures either.

From the source:

AMD vs Intel Market Share
Updated 5th of June 2011

Well maybe you're right, it hasn't been updated since yesterday.

 

[JB3]

No. I would be upset with myself for overspending on something I clearly should not have. By the way, I have a hard-drive which operates Linux.



All too expensively and not with any practical merit.

...In your limited and biased opinion.

 

[JB3]

No. I would be upset with myself for overspending on something I clearly should not have. By the way, I have a hard-drive which operates Linux.

I don't want a snazzy new mac because they aren't snazzy, they aren't fast and they aren't great. Nor are they worth my time.

You sound like the worst kind of fanboy here. Worse than any Mac fanboy I've ever heard.

 

[JB3]

I've posted numerous FACTS, which you have promptly ignored. I've tried to be reasonable.

I really don't want to get in trouble here. Have a nice day.

If by 'facts' you mean OPINION, then yes, you've posted many opinions. None backed by facts. I hate to see what you're like when you're being unreasonable if this is your 'reasonable'.

 

[andysayshi]

I've posted numerous FACTS, which you have promptly ignored. I've tried to be reasonable.

I really don't want to get in trouble here. Have a nice day.

I just don't want to know what anger and personal attacks the other guy is posting lol... He never backs up what he says. I always have done so. I've backed myself up here, and also in the political forum. Numerous times.

Well, I don't think this topic's serious enough for anyone to get angry. It should just be a bit of fun.

 

[andysayshi]

I think it's gone pass that.

What's fun here?

Getting insulted by the other guy nobody pays attention to in the political and other forums? I dunno.

This has just become completely pointless. I'm not changing what best suits me.

The last line of your post is really important. You don't like people questioning your decisions about tech gear, and yet your first post in this thread did exactly that to other people. Don't you see why others bite back? It's for exactly the reason you do.

Look at your CPU as an example. You're happy with your new AMD Phenom, and so you should be - it's a great CPU and very good value for the performance.

But there are lots of better-performing CPUs on the market, according to benchmarks. And Intel basically owns 75% of the market, so the market overwhelmingly chooses Intel over AMD.

So the facts are that you COULD get a faster CPU. And the majority of the market choose a different brand to you. The facts are that I COULD get a faster computer than a Mac. And the majority of the market choose a different brand to me.

See where I'm going? We all make decisions that might not make sense to someone else, but make perfect sense to ourselves. You telling me I'm foolish for buying a Mac is no different to me telling you you're foolish for buying AMD.

But I wouldn't do that. I respect that you have different needs and priorities to me. But your posts consistently show that you don't offer the same courtesy to people like me.

 

[andysayshi]

I officially give up.

 

[andysayshi]

No sense in arguing with guys who are fanatical about their choices.

Ain't that the truth!

 

[foodandart]

No. I would be upset with myself for overspending on something I clearly should not have. By the way, I have a hard-drive which operates Linux.

I don't want a snazzy new mac because they aren't snazzy, they aren't fast and they aren't great. Nor are they worth my time.

Who said anything about buying? LOL! Just find one you can play with. Get into the system and you can really have fun with the BSD. Linux is similar to that, no?

All too expensively and not with any practical merit.

I can upgrade things to far superior specifications at far lower costs.

Well, probably not for your needs.. everyone's different.

Specifications are nice, but again, needs dictate hardware.

FYI, I could build a PC that can run OS X with parts from Newegg and pay a fraction as well. That's easy - heck I could build a *faster* model than Apple currently offers.

It could still run OS X. However, it would have no support if the hardware threw a wobbler on me, and of course Apple wouldn't give me the time of day, for an unsupported install.

As far as the old MacPro I have, it can go to an 8-core, 3.2 ghz. dual-quad configuration - Anandtech has a nifty 'how to' but that's waay overkill for my needs.

It's the OS and the fact that it's a true UNIX kernel that got my attention.

I figure a decade - at least! - out of this motherboard and processors before I move on. What the heck, my last Apple - a beige G3 PowerPC from 1998 - was still working when I parted it out last spring for bits to go into a living room tabletop (in the tabletop - literally) music server with audiophile sound card to rip my vinyl. I was using it today for several hours.

Look at this "frankenstein's monster' of a computer.
http://home.comcast.net/~foodandart/AlmostFinishedTabletopG3.jpg

Now is that sexy in a clunky and 'Ikea on Acid' kind of way or what?

 

[foodandart]

How about......

No. Why bother?

Guess I don't really have to say anything to the rest of your post. Sorry.

I have high demand needs, hence why I opt for building my own machine. I don't need some iffy support from an iffy company. If a piece of hardware has issues like the graphics card I opt for the manufacturer warranty. My graphics card has a lifetime warranty. End of story. You know the saying "Pay less, get more"? Totally applies here.

So what DO you do with your custom-built machine that requires such high computational demand that you feel compelled to belittle everyone else's choices?

Enquiring minds want to know.

 

[foodandart]

Ah! So no curiousity.. shame.

 

[JB3]

Not for something that has no relevance to my demands for quality. I'm very quality centered.

I know I can be a bit aggressive, but that's just my personality.

Macs are of fantastic quality. The quality of their laptops is better than 99% of the rest of the market.

 

[JB3]

Lmao... here we go again. Same old tired argument. Same old non-facts.

http://gigaom.com/apple/apple-still-winning-the-customer-satisfaction-game/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20017064-260.html