Are Companies Against Bareback Porn Hypocrites?

[moonrabbit]

I want to hear some opinions on this. Do any of you think that porn companies who are against barebacking films are hypocrites? I have been thinking long and hard about this subject and decided to finally post my views. The biggest criticism I hear is that it promotes unsafe sex. If I were to agree with that, I'd also have to agree that video games cause violence. I'm someone who watches the Treasure Island movies, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to go out and copy what I see in their videos. People shouldn't be using adult movies for sex education. The purpose of pornography is entertainment and fantasy. And as for the models who perform in bareback movies, they know the risks. It's their life and they can do whatever they want. Here's where the hypocrisy comes in. Why doesn't anyone ever complain about how the porn industry portrays beauty in an unrealistic way? That can be dangerous just like the spread of an STD. Look at the people who get the vanity surgeries or have the eating disorders because of their insecurities. And what about that boy who killed himself because he thought his penis was too small? This is probably where their "Porn is a fantasy" defense will come in. Well, bareback porn is a fantasy too. I know it's also TV, magazines, and society, but porn plays a factor in a person being insecure too. I'm willing to admit that at first, I was very self-conscious by porn because I didn't look like the models. Fortunately, I have somewhat gotten over that. So to anyone who thinks the porn industry has an obligation to promote safe sex, shouldn't that obligation also apply to them promoting self love? I want to hear some feedback. I just hope an argument doesn't occur.

 

[Soilwork]

Porn may be a fantasy to you, but since CG is so expensive, it has to be shot here in reality.

Which means that those are real people having real sex.

I would never work for a company that would risk the lives of their employees like that.

 

[Sciguy]

The argument that bareback sex in porn promotes unsafe sex is similar to that of video games causing violence. The correlation is arguably true/false. But what isn't arguable is that porn stars that have unsafe sex are prone to getting anything any of their partners have. Someone who's profession it is to have sex would only be intelligent to be safe while doing so.

 

[Spiff]

I would never work for a company that would risk the lives of their employees like that.

I didn't realize porn stars were not in control of their own lives.

Also, what about the stars that are already hiv+ barebacking each other? I'm not certain, but I don't think it's possible to get even more hiv+ once infected. I believe that many (not all granted) of these videos are done with hiv+ people.

It's all about choices. The stars have a choice. And of course you have a choice.

 

[Soilwork]

Oh, and every so often we have people asking why we only shoot perfect guys with perfect bodies and how come we can't see past that and shoot people with a "nice soul."

I always answer that nobody's going to pay to see someone's soul jerk off.

Don't blame the porn industry for having hot people in their movies having sex. If people were paying to see average and unattractive people jacking off, it would make scouting for models a lot easier.

 

[Soilwork]

I'm not certain, but I don't think it's possible to get even more hiv+ once infected.

well, you're wrong then.

reinfection is a serious problem with HIV+ people.

But that's my choice and people are welcome to make choices for themselves.

 

[Spiff]

But that's my choice and people are welcome to make choices for themselves.

Aren't you the guy who has claimed to be close friends with Jake Cruise? If so, what do you think about him receiving oral cumshots in many of his vids? If you're not the same guy, my bad.

 

[Soilwork]

Yes, Jake is a good friend of mine. That's a risk that he's wiling to take and it's his decision to do so. So my opinion isn't really relevant.

I could go on about how the risk from oral cum-shots is MUCH lower and unprotected anal sex, and how Jake has all his models tested or whatever, but it's not my job to defend him... He's welcome to come and post if he wants.

 

[Spiff]

Although it does make an interesting point that the industry can be ambiguous about claiming to encourage safe sex. Videos like Jake Cruise that combine condom usage with anal intercourse but also show oral cumshots gives mixed messages to the community, despite one maybe being less riskier than the other.

 

[moonrabbit]

Oh, and every so often we have people asking why we only shoot perfect guys with perfect bodies and how come we can't see past that and shoot people with a "nice soul."

I always answer that nobody's going to pay to see someone's soul jerk off.

Don't blame the porn industry for having hot people in their movies having sex. If people were paying to see average and unattractive people jacking off, it would make scouting for models a lot easier.

Never in my post did I say I was blaming porn for having attractive people. I was merely pointing out how the porn industry gives off the impression that we have to look a certain way to be accepted. And that's something that could have serious consequences. They haven't once brought up the dangerousness of this, but yet they get their panties in a twist about barebacking. And if you read my post clearer, you would see that I was agreeing to the fact that hot models in porn are part of the fantasy. I just don't see why bareback films can't be included as a fantasy too.

Also, I'm a huge Damon Dogg fan. True, he doesn't have the looks of a supermodel. But my attraction to him goes deeper than looks. And I would take him over a douche like Ben Andrews any day. So I think it's unfair for you imply that every porn consumer is superficial and only want to see pretty people. Because I can tell you that is not the case with me.

 

[Spiff]

Lol. Isn't all hardcore porn by definition superficial? But there is something for everbody regardless of tastes. Even people who prefer porn with "ugly" people are superficial. It's all about what get's your rocks off.

 

[moonrabbit]

Porn may be a fantasy to you, but since CG is so expensive, it has to be shot here in reality.

Which means that those are real people having real sex.

I would never work for a company that would risk the lives of their employees like that.

Yes, porn does have real people in it. People who are over the age of 18 and know exactly what they're getting into. While I'm not someone who would expect a model to risk his health for my sexual gratification, I'm also not the type to get on my high horse and tell a person what to do with their life.

 

[moonrabbit]

Lol. Isn't all hardcore porn by definition superficial? But there is something for everbody regardless of tastes. Even people who prefer porn with "ugly" people are superficial. It's all about what get's your rocks off.

I didn't say I was into ugly people. I would never call someone that. I said I cared about more than just that. Even when it comes to porn. So I don't consider myself shallow.

 

[Soilwork]

I'm also not the type to get on my high horse and tell a person what to do with their life.

When did I do that?

I neve said they shoudln't make it, just that I don't want to be a part of it.

That's ok, isn't it?

 

[moonrabbit]

When did I do that?

I neve said they shoudln't make it, just that I don't want to be a part of it.

That's ok, isn't it?

I wasn't saying that's what you were doing. It wasn't directed at anyone. I was making a point of how I don't judge people.

 

[StlKj]

I've never bought the idea that video game violence makes people go out and be violent. However, numerous studies do suggest that the violence we see in the media desensitizes us to violence we might witness in the real world.

If you take that finding to the porn arena, barebacking in video might desensitize the viewers to the use of condoms and the risk of barebacking in real life. Yes, they may know the risks, but many men, especially young men today, have grown up seeing AIDS as a killing disease, but one that may now be erroneously seen as very easily managed by medications. The magazines ads primarily show attractive, fit people with AIDS going about their adventurous lives of climbing cliffs, surfing, etc., not how they might look after a bout with flu or diarrhea.

I wonder if the viewing of bareback porn isn't a more powerful influencer than the playing of violent video games for this reason though--most people who play video games don't really want to go around killing people in horrible violent ways, especially if they've been taught by parents, church, and society that it is wrong. We might find that a majority of men, however, do not like using condoms and do so only because they HAVE to. Many of them might never had had much discussion or teaching regarding the importance of condom usage, and if they did, it might have been more geared towards needing them to not get someone pregnant or to not get Herpes.

So, throw in a lack of interest in using them in the first place with a lack of real teaching as to their importance, and then factor in that many gay men deal with self-esteem and fear issues which might make them vulnerable to being careless with their health, and suddenly watching videos that desensitize one to the dangers of barebacking becomes a powerful influence indeed.

 

[Croynan]

I want to hear some opinions on this. Do any of you think that porn companies who are against barebacking films are hypocrites? I have been thinking long and hard about this subject and decided to finally post my views. The biggest criticism I hear is that it promotes unsafe sex. If I were to agree with that, I'd also have to agree that video games cause violence. I'm someone who watches the Treasure Island movies, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to go out and copy what I see in their videos. People shouldn't be using adult movies for sex education. The purpose of pornography is entertainment and fantasy. And as for the models who perform in bareback movies, they know the risks. It's their life and they can do whatever they want. Here's where the hypocrisy comes in. Why doesn't anyone ever complain about how the porn industry portrays beauty in an unrealistic way? That can be dangerous just like the spread of an STD. Look at the people who get the vanity surgeries or have the eating disorders because of their insecurities. And what about that boy who killed himself because he thought his penis was too small? This is probably where their "Porn is a fantasy" defense will come in. Well, bareback porn is a fantasy too. I know it's also TV, magazines, and society, but porn plays a factor in a person being insecure too. I'm willing to admit that at first, I was very self-conscious by porn because I didn't look like the models. Fortunately, I have somewhat gotten over that. So to anyone who thinks the porn industry has an obligation to promote safe sex, shouldn't that obligation also apply to them promoting self love? I want to hear some feedback. I just hope an argument doesn't occur.

This probably one of the most thoughtful and insightful threads to have appeard here in months.

You have raised a variety of very worth while issues with this posting. They all deserve to be discussed in an intelligent and informative manner.

Bravo, Well Done. CONGRATULATIONS ​

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eM. ​

 

[Chalchalero]

I want to hear some opinions on this. Do any of you think that porn companies who are against barebacking films are hypocrites? I have been thinking long and hard about this subject and decided to finally post my views. The biggest criticism I hear is that it promotes unsafe sex. If I were to agree with that, I'd also have to agree that video games cause violence. I'm someone who watches the Treasure Island movies, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to go out and copy what I see in their videos. People shouldn't be using adult movies for sex education. The purpose of pornography is entertainment and fantasy. And as for the models who perform in bareback movies, they know the risks. It's their life and they can do whatever they want. Here's where the hypocrisy comes in. Why doesn't anyone ever complain about how the porn industry portrays beauty in an unrealistic way? That can be dangerous just like the spread of an STD. Look at the people who get the vanity surgeries or have the eating disorders because of their insecurities. And what about that boy who killed himself because he thought his penis was too small? This is probably where their "Porn is a fantasy" defense will come in. Well, bareback porn is a fantasy too. I know it's also TV, magazines, and society, but porn plays a factor in a person being insecure too. I'm willing to admit that at first, I was very self-conscious by porn because I didn't look like the models. Fortunately, I have somewhat gotten over that. So to anyone who thinks the porn industry has an obligation to promote safe sex, shouldn't that obligation also apply to them promoting self love? I want to hear some feedback. I just hope an argument doesn't occur.

Men (and women) who perform bareback in porn movies are not children. Fortunately for our laws which protect against such things, these people are not uninformed little wide-eyed urchins just looking to make five dollars for a ham sandwich and a cup of coffee. They are grown men (and women) who are paid a pretty decent amount of money to do something which - Oh my GOD!!! - they happen to enjoy doing.

Some people smoke, some people drink themselves blind, others do tina, snort coke, smoke crack, etc, etc, etc, and the list goes on. Self-destructive behaviour will always exist, whether in the real world or in the so-called fantasy world of porn.

One of the good things about the people and companies and health organisations who tend to look askance at such activities is that a) there is no excuse for anyone to say they weren't warned and b) the societal stigma which has attached itself to such activity may be just enough to stop anyone who is sitting on the fence over the issue from indulging in it.

My opinion is that the movies serve a purpose for those who like bareback sex, but don't feel like risking their own health. It serves as a vicarious life-fantasy for them. I say swell for them. Because the guys who are doing the movies are a) not naïve, b) getting paid for it, c) probably enjoying themselves immensely and/or d) all of the aforementioned.

Personally, I think that alot of people who get upset about these movies are simply angry inside at the fact that they feel cheated out of the experience. Deal with being cheated. The good news is that you'll be around alot longer hating those guys than the guys you're hating will be. The bad news is, you'll be around alot longer hating those guys....

 

[Hard Luck]

Some people smoke.

Yes, so why is there such a clamor to eliminate that from non R-Rated films? There's a full page ad in Variety nearly every week about removing all smoking and tobacco references in Hollywood films, and the campaign is picking up steam.

Seems there's a lot of people who put credence in the Monkey See Monkey Do power of the movies. I agree to a point ... but I think tailoring entertainment to that factor of human experience is a slippery slope mistake.

Porn may be a fantasy to you, but since CG is so expensive, it has to be shot here in reality.

... and so I have to wonder why, since the budgets are no more non-existent than they are enough to spring for effects by ILM ... can't more theatrical measures, make-up arts, and movie-making tricks be used to portray bareback sex without actually having the actors perform it?

Something between, say, stunt sex and prosthetic-tomfoolery sex?



I agree porn is, by its nature, a fantasy of sex ... and I also agree performers should not be compelled or pressured to participate in anything potentially dangerous. But they are movies, and they can use tricks up their sleeves to further the fantasy.




"No Animals Were Harmed and No Real Bareback Fucking Happened During the Production of this Motion Picture" can appear at the tail end of the DVD.

 

[moonrabbit]

I agree porn is, by its nature, a fantasy of sex ... and I also agree performers should not be compelled or pressured to participate in anything potentially dangerous. But they are movies, and they can use tricks up their sleeves to further the fantasy.

Interesting you mention this. Because Chris Ward from Raging Stallion announced a while ago that his movies will include fake barebacking. I remember a lot of fans giving him hell for this.