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Are Gays and Lesbians Fighting?

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I know how stupid that question sounds, but I watched two perplexing videos that kind of make me mad, and also make me want your opinions.
So yeah, what gay men think of lesbians and what lesbians think of gay men. The premise behind these videos is that apparently gay men and lesbians have been fighting of late, which totally calls for videos full of gay people chucking negative stereotypes at each other. Because that's the way to stop people from fighting.
But I've never experienced any of this supposed fighting, and I have no idea what they're talking about. I was ready to dismiss the whole thing as bullshit, when I realized that I don't really know what's happening in the mainstream gay community, outside of tidbits I read online. Only one of my close friends is really involved with my city's larger LGBT community, and the two people I know that she considers enemies happen to be other lesbians.
So what do you guys say? Is there some rivalry between gays and lesbians that I've somehow never witnessed? Or is the premise behind these videos false, as I suspect? Or maybe just limited to their own local gay microcosm...
 
It really depends on the individual whether or not there is any animosity.

I like most lesbians and feel a bond with them except I stay away from both lesbians and straight women who hate men. My favorite GLBT celeb is Lily Tomlin. One of the best weekends I ever had in my entire life was spent with my lesbian roommate at Maud's (Lesbian Bar in the Haight SF) and a Victorian 3 story flat in SF with maybe 20 lesbians that live there....

...but I knew a lot of gay men and to a lesser extent some lesbians who definitely had a problem with the other...never really sure why....I can't relate.
 
There seem to be some sexual identity tensions, i.e. fem guys poking fun at butch lesbians (kind of ironic actually), but no I don't have any issues with lesbians whatsoever.
 
A better question would be why gay men would even dare to be misogynists, and there are a LOT of them on here.

Not even bothering to watch this latest visual meme.
 
In my sheltered life I've only ever met one out lesbian. I liked her.
 
Alnitak said:
There seem to be some sexual identity tensions, i.e. fem guys poking fun at butch lesbians (kind of ironic actually), but no I don't have any issues with lesbians whatsoever.
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lol but if you think about it except the fact that we like people of our own sex, gays and lesbians couldn't be more different.

Gays think like straight women and lesbians think like straight men and find similar things sexy and have similar characteristics, interests. I know this is totally stereotypical and maybe outrageous to some but there is truth behind it.

Also lesbians are so lucky in terms of porn material. Mainstream society/entertainment sexualises women and they love sexy women :)
 
I know plenty of lesbians, but was unaware there was any kind of feuding going on. The few times I've seen tension between gay men and lesbians, is Fem men who seem to have a problem with masculine people, regardless of gender. Or lesbians that are, for whatever reason, man haters. A lesbian friend described them as womeyn, emphasis on the "Y".
And the fear of the unknown.
 
I believe these videos are meant to be satirical...
 
carey579 said:
Gays think like straight women and lesbians think like straight men and find similar things sexy and have similar characteristics, interests. I know this is totally stereotypical and maybe outrageous to some but there is truth behind it.
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Are you serious??? Speak for yourself. Gay men do not think like straight women, they/we think like gay men.........you're the exception apparently. And even then, there's just so much you can attribute to group think.
 
The Fly said:
Are you serious??? Speak for yourself. Gay men do not think like straight women, they/we think like gay men.........you're the exception apparently. And even then, there's just so much you can attribute to group think.
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What are the differences between what gay men think like and what straight women think like?

In the end we all think individually but when we group people there are going to be stereotypes and most of the stereotypes stem from somewhere no matter what the 'macho' gay men like to think.
 
I've always seen some fighting between gay men and lesbians. But I've seen more fighting between gay men.
 
carey579 said:
What are the differences between what gay men think like and what straight women think like?
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All men think the same........ they want to get their rocks off. Whether they are gay or straight. It's a man thing.
 
I think that any potential animosity stems from the brutal misogyny that prevails among gay men, as well as internalized homophobia. I have met gay men who love to interact with straight girls, but inflexibly adhere to society's gender models and thus, view gay women who are not über-feminine as odd, abnormally masculine and unpleasant. The few lesbians I have met who fit the "angry" stereotype, were usually women who were very socially and environmentally conscious, and actively participated in politics and voiced their opinions in an unrestrained manner - something that was usually met with a hostile silence by everyone, as if saying "who do you think you are, woman? Remember what's your place!". These are women who are frequently put down by using their sexuality/physical appearance/demeanour, whenever they try to express themselves. For this reason, they tend to be a little defensive from the get go. However, that doesn't mean that they are "man-hating" or "angry". Just understandably apprehensive because they are attacked for no other reason that they are women.

It's also true that we live in a transphobic society, and transgendered people are the pariahs among the pariahs - firstly, because they are seen as "extreme, freakish homosexuals" by most ignorant straight people, and as simple freaks by many people in the gay community. As usual, transgendered women ("men who want to be women", as they clumsily say), are the object of the most brutal rejection.

As for gay men, we all know how we are constantly divided by the debate of whether being able to "pass" as heterosexual is better than being "evidently" or "stereotypically" homosexual, and whether effeminate gay men are to blame for all the terrible things that have happen in the lives of those who like to perceive themselves as "straight-acting", and the fact that we don't have equal rights. In short, we live in a horrible, predatory, violent, unfair, racist, xenophobic, misogynistic and homophobic world, and it's pretty damn shameful that we, as gay men, do not realize that we are engaging in these same ATROCIOUS behaviours against others, including out gay sisters and our transgendered family.
 
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