Arizona Republican over the top with Obama compared to Hitler

[Kulindahr]

You do this through the proper process, not by holding the whole country hostage while you DEMAND that a law be changed outside of the acceptable legal process.

Under the ACA, does Obama even have the authority to delay things a year for individuals?

 

[Jack Springer]

The ACA is already passed law in the Senate.

The House needs to pass a budget bill. Your party is staying they won't do that nor will they allow a vote on a budget bill unless the Congress and the Presidency give in to an illegal demand to backdoor-unwrite a standing law.

There's no two-views on this Jack.

The way the PPACA website is progressing Obama may have to give a 1-year delay to individuals whether he wants to or not.

Congress has the right to make and rewrite laws.

 

[xbuzzerx]

The way the PPACA website is progressing Obama may have to give a 1-year delay to individuals whether he wants to or not.

Congress has the right to make and rewrite laws.

Congress has said no 42 times.

Your party doesn't have the votes to get this change made, so they're holding the country hostage over it.

Unless you now believe the laws should be changed on minority votes?

 

[Rolyo85]

He does, if the minority is his party. Right, Jack?

 

[glorff]

The house has passed a budget, but the White House does not like it and the Senate will not vote on it. When the Supreme Court ruled on Obama Care they said that it was a tax, which places funding for it in the Congress. That means that it is within Congressional jurisdiction to not fund it. The Democrats are not without fault on this one. We need another party or two in this country to prevent things like this from happening.

 

[Jack Springer]

He does, if the minority is his party. Right, Jack?

Do you know understand politics? People talk, establish relationships, find common ground and negotiate. That's how politics work. The refusal of Obama and Reid to even have a conversation does nothing to find common ground.

I'm sure that media matters and other left wing blogs do not talk about how democrats for decades used the same ploy that House republicans are using now.

 

[Special K]

As an outsider looking in, I simply cannot comprehend how any right-minded individual could support the Republican Party, what they are currently doing, as the President has rightly pointed out, is extorting the government, simply because they cannot get their own way. The debate regarding healthcare reform has been had in many different arenas and on many different occasions. It has been had before the Affordable Care Act was initially passed by Congress in 2010; it has been had when the Republicans referred the Affordable Care Act to the Supreme Court to decide on it's constitutionality, which they subsequently validated it as constitutional in 2012; and finally, it has been had during the 2012 presidential election, which of course President Obama won, so I cannot understand for the life of me, why this issue is being resurrected once again, my god, when will the Republicans just let it go?

 

[xbuzzerx]

Do you know understand politics? People talk, establish relationships, find common ground and negotiate. That's how politics work. The refusal of Obama and Reid to even have a conversation does nothing to find common ground.

I'm sure that media matters and other left wing blogs do not talk about how democrats for decades used the same ploy that House republicans are using now.

Jack the democratic process is not a thousand people who all just 'talk' until they all agree on something. There is an actual process to it. The ACA is a passed law. It is not a bill. It is not a negotiation.

 

[Rolyo85]

Do you know understand politics? People talk, establish relationships, find common ground and negotiate. That's how politics work. The refusal of Obama and Reid to even have a conversation does nothing to find common ground.

I'm sure that media matters and other left wing blogs do not talk about how democrats for decades used the same ploy that House republicans are using now.

You don't seem to understand politics, actually. It has been repeated time and again to you - this is not a BILL. There is no place for negotiation now. This is a LAW. The political process is to try and change it through the system, not by demanding it be changed lest you shut the system down.

Please respond to THAT before you continue with your repetition of distorted reality.

 

[Kulindahr]

Congress has the right to make and rewrite laws.

Yes, they do -- but holding the country hostage is not a legitimate "negotiating" tactic.

 

[Jack Springer]

You don't seem to understand politics, actually. It has been repeated time and again to you - this is not a BILL. There is no place for negotiation now. This is a LAW. The political process is to try and change it through the system, not by demanding it be changed lest you shut the system down.

Please respond to THAT before you continue with your repetition of distorted reality.

Congress can change laws. It's part of what they do. I don't see how this is so hard for you and others to understand. Congress does this all the time -- they change laws that don't work properly.

 

[cgymike]

Yes, they do -- but holding the country hostage is not a legitimate "negotiating" tactic.

Yeah but your words sound just like Obamaspeak....you sound a bit unlike your usual creative self there kuli. Not that I disagree though...it's just the way it came out from you.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Yeah but your words sound just like Obamaspeak....you sound a bit unlike your usual creative self there kuli. Not that I disagree though...it's just the way it came out from you.

Obama calls Republicans Republicans, so do I, that neither makes it Obamaspeech nor insults.

Taking the government hostage is exactly what this is.

 

[cgymike]

^Thanks Kuli for your response. LOL.

 

[xbuzzerx]

^Thanks Kuli for your response. LOL.

Quite welcome.

 

[cgymike]

^Cool new Avatar you have too...Oh wait you moved south too...nice....no more Oregon coast.

 

[swmjck]

You're pissed at this after all the names Obama and his fellow democrats have called republicans during the last 3 to 4 weeks?

Obama is the President of the United States and should be a leader -- he unfortunately does not know how to lead or refuses to lead.

Here's a short listing of names Obama and his men have called republicans during the past several weeks.

“You cannot negotiate when they take hostages and when they extort, period.”
- Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.)
- See more at: http://redalertpolitics.com/2013/09...f-a-government-shutdown/#sthash.Io56nd2g.dpuf

“What we’re not for is negotiating with people who have a bomb strapped to their chest”
-Senior WH Adviser Dan Pfeiffer
- See more at: http://redalertpolitics.com/2013/09...f-a-government-shutdown/#sthash.Io56nd2g.dpuf

“They refuse to pass a budget unless I let them sabotage Obamacare, something they know is not going to happen.”
-President Barack Obama
- See more at: http://redalertpolitics.com/2013/09...f-a-government-shutdown/#sthash.Io56nd2g.dpuf

“…the anarchists have taken over. They’ve taken over the House, now they’re here in the Senate.”
-Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.)
- See more at: http://redalertpolitics.com/2013/09...f-a-government-shutdown/#sthash.Io56nd2g.dpuf

“Or we can finally call these people what McConnell once gleefully acknowledged they are: hostage takers, unrepresentative of the once-proud Republican Party and unfit to govern the greatest nation on Earth.”
-Former Obama speechwriter Jon Favreau
- See more at: http://redalertpolitics.com/2013/09...f-a-government-shutdown/#sthash.5GkoZZhl.dpuf

Summing up bargaining by Tea Party Republicans as “if you don’t accept what we demand, we’re going to blow up the place.”
-Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.)
- See more at: http://redalertpolitics.com/2013/09...f-a-government-shutdown/#sthash.5GkoZZhl.dpuf

“I call them ‘legislative arsonists.’ They’re there to burn down what we should be building up in terms of investments and education and scientific research, and all that it is that makes our country great and competitive.”
-House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.)
- See more at: http://redalertpolitics.com/2013/09...f-a-government-shutdown/#sthash.5GkoZZhl.dpuf

“The only phrase that describes it is political terrorism.”
Former Vice President Al Gore (D)
- See more at: http://redalertpolitics.com/2013/09...f-a-government-shutdown/#sthash.5GkoZZhl.dpuf

“That’s a scandal — those people are guilty of murder in my opinion.”
- Sen. Angus King (I-Maine)
- See more at: http://redalertpolitics.com/2013/09...f-a-government-shutdown/#sthash.5GkoZZhl.dpuf

I don't know who you are, but I take it you don't agree with any of those statements. In my opinion all are true, maybe not the last one, that appears to be a bit over the top. But come on, the Republicans have lost 3 times on the issue of the ACA (Congress, 2012 electon, Supreme Court). Time to move on and let the law succeed or fail on its merits and get the government back open.

 

[TX-Beau]

As an outsider looking in, I simply cannot comprehend how any right-minded individual could support the Republican Party, what they are currently doing, as the President has rightly pointed out, is extorting the government, simply because they cannot get their own way. The debate regarding healthcare reform has been had in many different arenas and on many different occasions. It has been had before the Affordable Care Act was initially passed by Congress in 2010; it has been had when the Republicans referred the Affordable Care Act to the Supreme Court to decide on it's constitutionality, which they subsequently validated it as constitutional in 2012; and finally, it has been had during the 2012 presidential election, which of course President Obama won, so I cannot understand for the life of me, why this issue is being resurrected once again, my god, when will the Republicans just let it go?

You are confused because as a foreigner you don't realize that this isn't about healthcare at all, it's about the BLACK man in the WHITE House.

Obama could propose free whiskey and strippers for all of Congress and they'd still say no.

 

[xbuzzerx]

You are confused because as a foreigner you don't realize that this isn't about healthcare at all, it's about the BLACK man in the WHITE House.

Obama could propose free whiskey and strippers for all of Congress and they'd still say no.

At core, yeah. I suppose it's open to argument and speculation what the 'motivation' is, but what's going on right now is the exact same "Obama wants it, we're against it" obstructionism that has completely characterized these 6 years on every conceivable topic.

 

[Kulindahr]

At core, yeah. I suppose it's open to argument and speculation what the 'motivation' is, but what's going on right now is the exact same "Obama wants it, we're against it" obstructionism that has completely characterized these 6 years on every conceivable topic.

There's no future in being the "party of no". If only the Tea Partites realized that.