Op-Ed ARTICLE: "Pete Buttigieg Can Help LGBTQ People Reclaim Religion And Faith"

[MrMojoRisin]

From Odyssey:

Pete Buttigieg Can Help LGBTQ People Reclaim Religion And Faith (Rocco Papa; May 28, 2019)

 

[eddielee]

That was a good article. I think that Pete Buttigieg is a refreshing change from other candidates, and a great person to give a different perspective on gay people.

 

[SeaCore]

I agree, it's a good article. Can't say I'd love to see a increase in religiosity but where religion is concerned I want people to believe, or not believe, for good reasons. There are are a lot of people in the LGBTQ community that don't have good reasons for not believing in a god.

I am hesitant though about someone who uses their faith as a part of their campaign. I don't want faith-based positions slipping into law or even reaching the realm of consideration.

 

[Sausy]

Justly held concerns, but as an antidote against the in your face activism of the evangelical right, some pushback by a Christian left perspective like Mayor Pete's is a good addition to the public discourse. That kind of faith was among the most prominent factors in the abolitionist movement against slavery and the civil rights movement. Faith is not owned by the self -righteous religious right who know the Gospel by heart but don't get Christ's message at all.

 

[luckynumbah7]

I agree, it's a good article. Can't say I'd love to see a increase in religiosity but where religion is concerned I want people to believe, or not believe, for good reasons. There are are a lot of people in the LGBTQ community that don't have good reasons for not believing in a god.

I am hesitant though about someone who uses their faith as a part of their campaign. I don't want faith-based positions slipping into law or even reaching the realm of consideration.

I think it's possible to use faith-based arguments to, how shall I put this, 'walk-back' that 'religious beliefs should be written into law' political maneuverings. It'd be difficult but far from impossible when combining faith inspired speech with the erection for the idea of our constitution (and its stated religious separation.)

Part of having faith-based beliefs is that they shouldn't be mandated - faith is the opposite of concrete proof. And despite the leanings of the usa, I notice such Concreteness isn't writ on our money, either. At best it's a late tag-on (which I believe should be scrubbed off, but that's another matter).

It isn't "In God We Obey" on our gov'ment issued greenery; the most we have is "In God We Trust'. True faithdemands no written law - it isn't faith when they make you obey. I'd go so far as to say that such a mandate is anathema to the very concept of faith, trust and free will. 'Render unto Caesar' made large, if ya will.

 

[Mariatenebre]

Again it bugs the hell out of me how gay people still cling to the Abrahamic and Zoroastrian religions when these religions are basically the religions that invented homophobia and transphobia. LGBT people should divest and join Pagan religions that accept them. However I do know that you can pretty much not get elected in this nation if you are not a Christian. Hell stats show that people would be more willing to vote for a Muslim person then an Atheist. Which shows the hatred Americans have for non religious people.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Again it bugs the hell out of me how gay people still cling to the Abrahamic and Zoroastrian religions when these religions are basically the religions that invented homophobia and transphobia. LGBT people should divest and join Pagan religions that accept them. However I do know that you can pretty much not get elected in this nation if you are not a Christian. Hell stats show that people would be more willing to vote for a Muslim person then an Atheist. Which shows the hatred Americans have for non religious people.

Eh, I'd put it a bit differently. It's the lack of accepting that someone else may have another view that what higher powers, (if any are above), are to be considered God in a morally/ethically speakin' manner that people seem to not grasp so hotly.

As far as religion goes the Abrahamic ones didn't invent such phobia. I noticed the Greeks & Romans with their pantheon had quite a bit of it when you consider that much of it is based in gendered roles, then and today. Pick damn near any religion and toss a rock - you'll hit the same issue with damned near all of 'em, seems to me. Strikes me that other religions had particular roles for lgbt ppl and they, too, were/are not the beacons of acceptance that outsiders tend to see them as - anyway, I'd be guessin' phobia came from the rarity as it pertains to the general population. While many, many straight people have once-or-twice in a lifetime bisexual tendencies, (really, pick whatever number you like; it all seems dependent on what said individual considers of import in the Grand Scheme o'things) - point is, experience is a cumulative thing and the outliers in an individual's history are not (usually) in the forefront or background of the mind when making judgement calls over who belongs in the tribe... let alone under what circumstances and with what limitations they're allowed there. And considering personal experience is a cumulative process the timing for that kind've 'personal sexual revelation' would probably skew the numbers in individual acceptance to later in life. And then there's the learning process of youth, as in the elementary school years - kids are sponges and they do indeed pick up every little bit of commentary and expectation.

 

[Pierresro]

I like him as a candidate, but do not believe in fairy tales!

 

[luckynumbah7]

I like him as a candidate, but do not believe in fairy tales!

Out of curiosity, do you believe in nightmares? Seems to be plenty of those about, too.

 

[KaraBulut]

Not sure where to post this but just for the shear joy of seeing Fox being put in its place...

Pete and Chasten Buttigieg attended the Invictus games as part of a Presidential delegation to represent the United States.

Fox rebranded this as "While the rest of Americans were stuck in airports over the holidays, 'green energy proponent' Pete Buttigieg and his husband took a taxpayer-financed airplane trip to a sporting event in Europe" and "Buttigieg Ripped for Private Jet Travel".

Buttigieg showed up at Fox in person to call them out on the lies:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1611151176447164418

Pete Buttigieg brought husband Chasten on military aircraft to attend sporting event in Netherlands

Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg and his husband traveled as part of a presidential delegation to the Invictus Games in the Netherlands last year in a military aircraft.

www.foxnews.com

Pete Buttigieg blasted for taking military aircraft to sporting event with husband: ‘Arrogant and detached’

Twitter users slam Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg for using a military aircraft to travel with his husband to attend the Fifth Invictus Games in the Netherlands last spring

www.foxnews.com

View attachment ButtigiegConfrontsBretBaeir.mp4

The Murdoch empire is getting worried about Buttigieg as a future Democratic candidate.

 

[cabinfever]

Not sure where to post this but just for the shear joy of seeing Fox being put in its place...

Pete and Chasten Buttigieg attended the Invictus games as part of a Presidential delegation to represent the United States.

Fox rebranded this as "While the rest of Americans were stuck in airports over the holidays, 'green energy proponent' Pete Buttigieg and his husband took a taxpayer-financed airplane trip to a sporting event in Europe" and "Buttigieg Ripped for Private Jet Travel".

Buttigieg showed up at Fox in person to call them out on the lies:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1611151176447164418

Pete Buttigieg brought husband Chasten on military aircraft to attend sporting event in Netherlands

Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg and his husband traveled as part of a presidential delegation to the Invictus Games in the Netherlands last year in a military aircraft.

www.foxnews.com

Pete Buttigieg blasted for taking military aircraft to sporting event with husband: ‘Arrogant and detached’

Twitter users slam Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg for using a military aircraft to travel with his husband to attend the Fifth Invictus Games in the Netherlands last spring

www.foxnews.com

View attachment 1902957

The Murdoch empire is getting worried about Buttigieg as a future Democratic candidate.

I love it and I love Pete.

 

[rareboy]

Great stuff.

 

[LoveMyPeppermill]

Every time Pete goes on Fox News, he makes them look like fools. And yet they keep inviting him.

 

[TX-Beau]

Every time Pete goes on Fox News, he makes them look like fools. And yet they keep inviting him.

They invite him so the trogs can gawk at the F*****.

For literally the same reasons people went to see a circus freak.

 

[KaraBulut]

They invite him so the trogs can gawk at the F*****.

For literally the same reasons people went to see a circus freak.

They don't invite him. He chooses to go on their show to confront them.

He uses a KellyAnne tactic: he answers the question he wants, not the baited question he gets, and he barrages the host with talking points so that they can't get a word in. His answer about "Medicare for All" in this clip should be a masterclass in how Democrats should handle Fox News hosts.

 

[TX-Beau]

However he gets there the intent is the same. It's probably for the best, but we shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking that anyone watching him on FOX is actually listening to what he's saying.

 

[KaraBulut]

However he gets there the intent is the same. It's probably for the best, but we shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking that anyone watching him on FOX is actually listening to what he's saying.

Fair. But he is usually on the actual news shows. He doesn't waste his time with the alternative reality that is Fox's evening line-up.

 

[cabinfever]

They don't invite him. He chooses to go on their show to confront them.

He uses a KellyAnne tactic: he answers the question he wants, not the baited question he gets, and he barrages the host with talking points so that they can't get a word in. His answer about "Medicare for All" in this clip should be a masterclass in how Democrats should handle Fox News hosts.

^^^perfection^^^ and I just realized this is the first time I have seen fox news.

 

[LoveMyPeppermill]

They don't invite him. He chooses to go on their show to confront them.

Dude, of course they invite him. He can't exactly go barging into the studio demanding that they put him on camera.

At least in the studio (as opposed to out in the field, where the unexpected could happen), nobody goes on a TV show whom the producers didn't permit to go on.

The thing about Pete is that you'd think, after the second or third time he went on Fox News and beat them at their own game, they'd stop putting him on. But they keep doing it.

 

[KaraBulut]

Dude, of course they invite him. He can't exactly go barging into the studio demanding that they put him on camera.

Not at his level- he's a cabinet secretary.

If there's something that is going on- for example, last week's Games of Thrones House Speaker elections, a producer or booker for a cable news show may reach out to members of Congress or their staff to book interviews.

Cabinet Secretaries usually come onto these shows when they have something to promote or they are spinning a particular story. Their staff reach out to bookers and producers for the show to book the guest onto the show.

In the case of Buttigieg, Murdoch media outlets, including Fox, had been running this "government paid travel" story on their print media, website and Fox live broadcasts. I can guarantee you that Buttigieg's Comm Staff booked him for an in-studio interview because he wanted that confrontation and he knew that Brett Baier would run with his tail between his legs when Buttigieg confronted him about the homophobia behind what Murdoch-owned media was doing.

And you can bet that Buttigieg's Comms people pushed the story about the confrontation with multiple media outlets to make sure that confrontation was covered.