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As gay men, are you offended by gay characters in film who are depressed/suicidal?

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I just wanted to ask you guys, do you ever feel offended when a movie or TV show portrays a gay character as a depressed maniac who hates himself, drug addict, and/or suicidal? I know some people who feel that it spreads this image that all gay guys want to kill themselves or something, but I just wanted to get opinions from you all. I may or may not be writing something that features such characters... :)
 
I am offended by the lack of gay characters in films to begin with. What's wrong with showing gays as being depressed and suicidal? I'm sure anyone who is gay has experienced that at one point in their life. If anything I like that it shows people the struggles gays go through because of their identity.
 
No of course not. The things in those movies happen all the time in our culture. Granted its not the only aspect, but it's true.
 
No, not at all because it's usually a realistic representation of a lot of gay men. If EVERY gay person in film was, then yes, but it's very rare that someone isn't either a stereotypical queen (Bruno, Birdcage, Mean Girls) or a depressed, lost soul (Brokeback Mountain, Mudge Boy). It would be nice to see someone represented as a strong character who isn't used as a joke or sob story.
 
btgk86 said:
I just wanted to ask you guys, do you ever feel offended when a movie or TV show portrays a gay character as a depressed maniac who hates himself, drug addict, and/or suicidal? I know some people who feel that it spreads this image that all gay guys want to kill themselves or something, but I just wanted to get opinions from you all. I may or may not be writing something that features such characters... :)
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I think having inner demons and turmoil are very real elements of the human experience. As gay men, I think we can all acknowledge that because of society, peers, and family it can be hard to love and express oneself. So
I feel like it is a representation of real people and situations, not necessarily a representation of an entire community though. I know it does bother some people, that kind of 'tragic homosexual' sterotype, buts it's not the being gay that's tragic, its the coming to terms with it and finding acceptance when there are those that may reject you.

So I think that kind of character is necessary, it is a real identity being presented. Art, whether literature or film, is a great way to give a voice. I also agree with Sultan, I think there needs to be more confident, go-getting, sexy representation of gay men, just as with straight men in films. A lot of gay characters are relegated to being flamboyant sterotypes, drama queens, or oversexed types.
 
Not sure I'd say "offended" but "bored silly and pissed off at" maybe.

Straight people will only go to a movie with gay characters if they can laugh at them or feel sorry for them. So they either have to be humiliating caricatures like the stupid, flaming faggot in Sex and the City 2 (sorry but no other word fits) or the guys in Brokeback Mountain who are miserable for the whole movie and then die at the end.

And it's not just gay people...

Black characters either have to be loudmouthed weirdos who act like freaks (Chris Rock, Chris Tucker, Eddie Murphy) or they have to be sad victims who just need a white person to believe in them (have you see The Help or The Blindside?).

It's nice when we finally get some realistic representation of ourselves in movies. But it doesn't happen much.
 
Soilwork said:
Not sure I'd say "offended" but "bored silly and pissed off at" maybe.

Straight people will only go to a movie with gay characters if they can laugh at them or feel sorry for them. So they either have to be humiliating caricatures like the stupid, flaming faggot in Sex and the City 2 (sorry but no other word fits) or the guys in Brokeback Mountain who are miserable for the whole movie and then die at the end.

And it's not just gay people...

Black characters either have to be loudmouthed weirdos who act like freaks (Chris Rock, Chris Tucker, Eddie Murphy) or they have to be sad victims who just need a white person to believe in them (have you see The Help or The Blindside?).

It's nice when we finally get some realistic representation of ourselves in movies. But it doesn't happen much.
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They weren't miserable the ENTIRE movie. There were quite a few happy parts, like most of the time they were together. Also, you didn't have to spoil the ending for anyone who hadn't seen it, and that doesn't happen to both of them. It was a movie about love, and being torn between someone you love and a society that doesn't accept it. I thought it was a great movie.
 
Shadowplay said:
I think having inner demons and turmoil are very real elements of the human experience. As gay men, I think we can all acknowledge that because of society, peers, and family it can be hard to love and express oneself. So
I feel like it is a representation of real people and situations, not necessarily a representation of an entire community though. I know it does bother some people, that kind of 'tragic homosexual' sterotype, buts it's not the being gay that's tragic, its the coming to terms with it and finding acceptance when there are those that may reject you.

So I think that kind of character is necessary, it is a real identity being presented. Art, whether literature or film, is a great way to give a voice. I also agree with Sultan, I think there needs to be more confident, go-getting, sexy representation of gay men, just as with straight men in films. A lot of gay characters are relegated to being flamboyant sterotypes, drama queens, or oversexed types.
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Sultan said:
They weren't miserable the ENTIRE movie. There were quite a few happy parts, like most of the time they were together. Also, you didn't have to spoil the ending for anyone who hadn't seen it, and that doesn't happen to both of them. It was a movie about love, and being torn between someone you love and a society that doesn't accept it. I thought it was a great movie.
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The movie has been out for 6 years... I think everyone knows how it ends.

If not.. oh well.

Yes, it was a movie about love and a society that doesn't accept you and it allowed the well-meaning straight people to feel sorry for us which is one of the two kinds of movies they will see about us.

And I personally am kinda tired of it.
 
Offended, no, because it is true for some people and maybe the film is about them instead of me. Tired of the cliché, because I never see a film featuring anything but…then Yes. A thousand times YES.
 
Stories about happy, committed, strong gay couples just don't sell. That is why someone has to die or get AIDs or walk away from love. Much of the straight world, and apparently many in the gay world, don't want to believe that gay men and women can love each other the same way straight couples can. They prefer to see us as tragic figures, hopeless and incapable of something good and beautiful.
 
Sure. I also feel offended that in horror movies, black people usually die first.
 
dreamerboi said:
I am offended by the lack of gay characters in films to begin with. What's wrong with showing gays as being depressed and suicidal? I'm sure anyone who is gay has experienced that at one point in their life. If anything I like that it shows people the struggles gays go through because of their identity.
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I agree!
While I don't mind that they may portray a gay character as suicidal, I believe they need to be sure to at least include more gay characters in cinema (and TV). But, actually, I feel TV and films are starting to show more gay characters than they used to show. Definitely a step in the right direction.

You know, the suicidal gay characters, I hope, inform certain people about the struggles of being gay.
 
TheOscar said:
You know, the suicidal gay characters, I hope, inform certain people about the struggles of being gay.
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yeah.

that's just the image we want to show... a bunch of depressed and suicidal wimps.

That's great role models for young gay men to see... a bunch of drug-using, flame-bots who are depressed and die early or just get laughed at.

No thanks.
 
I figure we'll have a greater variety of characters, with greater depth, as times get better.

Some of those depressed, suicidal cliches are merely acknowledgments that it hasn't just been daffodils and sunshine since Stonewall.
 
Nor am I particularly excited by the prospect of seeing a romcom where the female lead has a fabulous gay male best friend.
 
LatimerRd said:
Nor am I particularly excited by the prospect of seeing a romcom where the female lead has a fabulous gay male best friend.
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When gay men are positioned as some straight female's "handbag"? You're not a real person, just an accessory. NOT AMUSED

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Soilwork said:
yeah.

that's just the image we want to show... a bunch of depressed and suicidal wimps.

That's great role models for young gay men to see... a bunch of drug-using, flame-bots who are depressed and die early or just get laughed at.

No thanks.
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Oh no, I'm not stating that there should be more suicidal gay characters or that it's such a great thing, I'm just saying that it can be an accurate representation of feelings felt among many gay individuals. I actually don't tend to see the suicidal gay as often; I have seen a lot of different representations which also deter from something more stereotypical or general. So, perhaps I just haven't seen the suicidal gay characters as often to be "sick and tired of it". But it's never good to stick to such cliches.
 
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