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Asian men consistently outearn all other racial groups. By a lot.

evanrick said:
which is another interesting facet of culture, a society can function with far fewer individuals if enough of them have the correct skills. the issue of overpopulation is a government policy whose function is to increase birth rates not to benefit society but to increase tax revenue and GDP, at the expense of the environment and widespread disease.
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In the US the poor immigrants strongly tend to vote democrat, so democrats have made immigration--overpopulation--a top priority.
 
There is no such race as Asian.

There is no such place or nationality as Asia.

Indian men do not fare the same as Thai or Chinese or Japanese or Mongolian. Grouping them together is artificial and not consistent from country to country.

Without national or racial or contextual definition, any comments or statistic about "Asian men" is meaningless.
 
NotHardUp1 said:
There is no such race as Asian.

There is no such place or nationality as Asia.

Indian men do not fare the same as Thai or Chinese or Japanese or Mongolian. Grouping them together is artificial and not consistent from country to country.

Without national or racial or contextual definition, any comments or statistic about "Asian men" is meaningless.
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Oh look everyone Miss "Boner Killer" has arrived to quell our discussion.
 
Draven said:
Oh look everyone Miss "Boner Killer" has arrived to quell our discussion.
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No, I actually believe Chinese, Thai, and some others DO outearn Caucasians in some regions, and have always observed the same. We can have the conversation without adopting the bogus term "Asians" since it is so meaningless. "Asians" as a term is the verbal equivalent of saying "stomach flu" instead of diarrhea or saying "previously owned" instead of used car.

It's a bit of the king's new clothes. Society accepted an aversion to using "Oriental" because it expressed Western bias, and another rejection of "Mongolian" which was a strictly genetic and therefore racial descriptor. Due to inequities, the entire treatment of race as race has become taboo. There isn't any sensible language left to discuss race when Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid (which took on even more negative connotation after being affixed to Down Syndrome patients), and Aboriginal. And, of course, Aboriginal is meaningless because Native Australians have little in common genetically with Native Americans.

In the end, biological and social discussions about race as race are almost completely taboo outside the medical realm. That pretty much leaves such discussions as this thread to address national traits tied to culture.

Do Indian people living in the US exceed average incomes, and if so, how soon, and by how much, typically in what professions or trades, and for what apparent reasons?

Are the Hmong people living in most Western countries more likely to take longer to move up from working class to middle class than the emigres from Saudi Arabia, or Russia, or the Philippines?

Because "Asian" is used as a euphemism for race in both the genetic and national meanings, I question whether the OP truly meant to imply a genetic trait that predisposes on to socioeconomic prosperity. Rather, I believe the OP meant to imply that the sort of emigre who arrives on the soil of a Western country is typically of a certain subgroup from India, or China, or Thailand, and as such, is more likely to succeed because that type of person is already driven and equipped with skills that lead to success. In addition, that person may be of a genetic race that has ceased to meet Western social rejection in the levels experienced in the 19th century and before.

And then there is the whole clusterfuck of indirection that results in "Asian" pretty much meaning Pakistani or Indian in UK countries but meaning Chinese or Japanese or Thai in the US, an inconvenient truth of PC verbal mishmash.

However, IF the OP intended the discussion to center around real genetics that describe economic success, that would inevitably lead to discussions of why various races on this planet experience such a huge disparity in standards of living, even when there is no real colonial legacy or foreign ruling class remaining in power, and that is pretty much a guaranteed shitfest of a discussion.

As for observations on Chinese success in America, I think it is currently seeing a slowdown in the trend previously seen. Many Chinese are now getting a foothold via the lowly restaurant trade, which is notorious now for almost slave-like conditions. Businesses are opened and there is an entire network of a sort of serf system that supplies them with workers who are desperate to get a start here. And, unlike their skilled brothers and sisters who may come with a leg up in professions, they spend long hours in menial work for little pay. Many of them are working for aunts, uncles, cousins, and the like, and for off-the-record employment and wages. I have observed this first-hand and know it exists.
 
Benvolio said:
In the US the poor immigrants strongly tend to vote democrat, so democrats have made immigration--overpopulation--a top priority.
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Well, we might as well confess before the Wikileaks people get their hands on this. OK, we DID mislabel Wet Naps as condoms and drove down to Chinatown to distribute them. It worked for the first little bit, pardon the pun.

Dammit! Were NONE of Debbie Wasserman Shultz's plans worth a damn?
 
I prefer to know one on one instead of a group of people. :lol:

There might be poor or rich chinese, poor or rich europeans ... etc ;)
 
yhtang said:
I would have thought that, when the Asian guy's pants was pulled down, he would have just managed to count to eleven, not twenty.
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Unlike most westerners, they can still see their feet.
 
KaraBulut said:
Unlike most westerners, they can still see their feet.
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NotHardUp1 said:
No, I actually believe Chinese, Thai, and some others DO outearn Caucasians in some regions, and have always observed the same. We can have the conversation without adopting the bogus term "Asians" since it is so meaningless. "Asians" as a term is the verbal equivalent of saying "stomach flu" instead of diarrhea or saying "previously owned" instead of used car.

It's a bit of the king's new clothes. Society accepted an aversion to using "Oriental" because it expressed Western bias, and another rejection of "Mongolian" which was a strictly genetic and therefore racial descriptor. Due to inequities, the entire treatment of race as race has become taboo. There isn't any sensible language left to discuss race when Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid (which took on even more negative connotation after being affixed to Down Syndrome patients), and Aboriginal. And, of course, Aboriginal is meaningless because Native Australians have little in common genetically with Native Americans.

In the end, biological and social discussions about race as race are almost completely taboo outside the medical realm. That pretty much leaves such discussions as this thread to address national traits tied to culture.

Do Indian people living in the US exceed average incomes, and if so, how soon, and by how much, typically in what professions or trades, and for what apparent reasons?

Are the Hmong people living in most Western countries more likely to take longer to move up from working class to middle class than the emigres from Saudi Arabia, or Russia, or the Philippines?

Because "Asian" is used as a euphemism for race in both the genetic and national meanings, I question whether the OP truly meant to imply a genetic trait that predisposes on to socioeconomic prosperity. Rather, I believe the OP meant to imply that the sort of emigre who arrives on the soil of a Western country is typically of a certain subgroup from India, or China, or Thailand, and as such, is more likely to succeed because that type of person is already driven and equipped with skills that lead to success. In addition, that person may be of a genetic race that has ceased to meet Western social rejection in the levels experienced in the 19th century and before.

And then there is the whole clusterfuck of indirection that results in "Asian" pretty much meaning Pakistani or Indian in UK countries but meaning Chinese or Japanese or Thai in the US, an inconvenient truth of PC verbal mishmash.

However, IF the OP intended the discussion to center around real genetics that describe economic success, that would inevitably lead to discussions of why various races on this planet experience such a huge disparity in standards of living, even when there is no real colonial legacy or foreign ruling class remaining in power, and that is pretty much a guaranteed shitfest of a discussion.

As for observations on Chinese success in America, I think it is currently seeing a slowdown in the trend previously seen. Many Chinese are now getting a foothold via the lowly restaurant trade, which is notorious now for almost slave-like conditions. Businesses are opened and there is an entire network of a sort of serf system that supplies them with workers who are desperate to get a start here. And, unlike their skilled brothers and sisters who may come with a leg up in professions, they spend long hours in menial work for little pay. Many of them are working for aunts, uncles, cousins, and the like, and for off-the-record employment and wages. I have observed this first-hand and know it exists.
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You are aware, I presume, that you could point out a statistic that members of x group experience more of this, earn more of that, or whatever else.... and NOT implicitly imply or declare belief that any "genetic factor" is responsible for it, yes?

I'd go so far as to say that MOST such discussions are not claiming a genetic factor, but likely seek to identify social and cultural interactions.

Pretty much the only time I'll jump even 50/50 on the genetic argument is if you see specific diseases at marked higher instances in some groups over others. But that still never rules out culture and diet as contributing or even dominant causes.

It's possible the OP meant to imply a genetic cause, but I see no reason to necessarily assume so, nor to leap from anyone using the term "Asian" to concluding that every such discussion is just a veiled discussion about genetic biology. That seems to be only your insinuation in thread after thread.

The fact that Asians are more or less "honorary whites" in middle and upper middle class American society, and the fact that they are fantastically overrepresented in higher education relative to their population size (including over whites) easily explains out-earning, without implying any genetic factor. The first factor is not even under their control, it's historical happenstance and the result of propaganda campaigns used to chastise blacks and other less desirable groups that the reason for their poverty was not systemic racism. The second is highly related to socioeconomic class and cultural influences.
 
Buzzer, I agree, and alluded to those same points. It's only that Indians and Chinese are treated differently, enter different professions here, and do not share a whole lot of culture. My point remains that "Asian" is a lousy and inaccurate basis for making the point. Simply say who you mean as OP, and acknowledge that the term doesn't represent a related ethnic, national, or racial identity.
 
Telstra said:
Let me google for Asian homelessness

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Trust me, there are plenty of poor asians around. Just last week, I went by Chinatown in Chicago to pick up some stuff for my mom and as I was about to pull my car out of the grocery parking lot an Asian young guy asked me for money.

But this thread isn't about whether there are poor people in each community is it?
 
 
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