Ask The Pornographer

[CoverModel]

What steps do you think should be taken to combat piracy?

 

[Soilwork]

What steps do you think should be taken to combat piracy?

I mean... It's hard to just put it down in point form.

But yes, we have to go after the pirates themselves but also the businesses that support them and the people who download the pirated files.

So... We need to not bother with suing people, there need to be laws put in place to charge pirates with crimes. The guys who run those blogspot blogs with countless links to digital locker files... Charge them with crimes and chuck them in jail. The companies that run the digital lockers... In the slammer... The people who openly download pirated files... Oh well.

The new reality is that the majority of business has moved online. And there aren't enough legal protections yet. There are going to have to be.

 

[frankfrank]

^ How do you address the dichotomy that would have entire websites shut down and "confiscated" because of one accidentally pirated image, though?

The trouble with laws is that they are almost always taken to their most extreme. Ostensibly the laws are supposed to prevent somebody from making millions by coming out with a new and really cool like of Disney-character stuff...or manufacturing pharma for distribution which is identical to something that Pfizer still has a patent on...without paying any royalties and without any accountability.

But when politics get into it, some people/entities are allowed to violate copyright at will, and others are squashed because of the very smallest infraction. Of course "politics" implies that some people would love to have an excuse to shut down a site like this, because somebody just happens to say "Help, I've fallen and I can't get up" without attributing the trademark to Life-Alert, for example. If the CEO of LifeAlert happened to be antigay, he could conceivably have a gay website shut down purely because of this, under the laws that are in process of being passed now. (Yes, believe it or not, they copyrighted that phrase! You can see it mentioned in print if you watch their ad on the telly.)

You're correct about protecting the intellectual property of the porn studios, but I'm not sure that such laws would ever be applied fairly and even-handedly.

 

[Soilwork]

^ *How do you address the dichotomy that would have entire websites shut down and "confiscated" because of one accidentally pirated image, though? *

Quite honestly, we tried playing it that way.

We tried to deal with companies like itsallgay. We'd send DMCA notices, 100 per week, they'd delete the file for a few days and then repost. Their billing companies knew and their hosting companies knew. They all made money as we spent countless resources and hours and dollars jumping through their hoops as they thumbed their noses at us.

Sites like Blogspot that allowed pirate blogs and no matter how many Times we sent notices, they would just delete the one post or file and it would get reposted in minutes.

Companies are going out of business because they shrug off their responsibilities to not help pirates.*

I've posted about it here and people openly tell me there's nothing we can do.

And now there is.

And oh well.. We tried playing nice and now it's time to shut down sites that make money from piracy. And if that means entire sites get shut down for one pirated file... Then it does.

I host my own blog. It's 100% my responsibility. The SOPA law might mean that there won't be any more "free web site" services. I'm fine with that.*

 

[Soilwork]

Shut up, Jasun: Porno Gaydar...



I still get a kick out of this video.

 

[JayHawk]

Quite honestly, we tried playing it that way.

We tried to deal with companies like itsallgay. We'd send DMCA notices, 100 per week, they'd delete the file for a few days and then repost. Their billing companies knew and their hosting companies knew. They all made money as we spent countless resources and hours and dollars jumping through their hoops as they thumbed their noses at us.

Sites like Blogspot that allowed pirate blogs and no matter how many Times we sent notices, they would just delete the one post or file and it would get reposted in minutes.

Companies are going out of business because they shrug off their responsibilities to not help pirates.*

I've posted about it here and people openly tell me there's nothing we can do.

And now there is.

And oh well.. We tried playing nice and now it's time to shut down sites that make money from piracy. And if that means entire sites get shut down for one pirated file... Then it does.

I host my own blog. It's 100% my responsibility. The SOPA law might mean that there won't be any more "free web site" services. I'm fine with that.*

As an aside....

What I have always found amusing as hell is that in Asia you can buy ANYTHING video or audio content wise wrapped in plastic as if it was direct from the distributer. All for the grand ole sum of a dollar. Prosecuting those sites on our shores will just move them off shore. Not saying it is right either.

It is funny to me that the same group of people who are for regulating our financial industry (as it should be) are generally completely against the same regulation for the internet. It makes absolutely no sense. Meanwhile the rest of the world gets our products for 5% the cost. An odd world indeed.

 

[Soilwork]

As an aside....

What I have always found amusing as hell is that in Asia you can buy ANYTHING video or audio content wise wrapped in plastic as if it was direct from the distributer. All for the grand ole sum of a dollar. Prosecuting those sites on our shores will just move them off shore. Not saying it is right either.

It is funny to me that the same group of people who are for regulating our financial industry (as it should be) are generally completely against the same regulation for the internet. It makes absolutely no sense. Meanwhile the rest of the world gets our products for 5% the cost. An odd world indeed.

If we can make ISPs block the domain, it's not a problem in the countries that play along.

When American and European ISPs block a whole Chinese domain.... That compels them to clean up their act.

 

[JayHawk]

Yeah I get that we can and we should block them... just not the dichotomy in positions.

Still if there is one legal copy offered in say the Philippines then I can guarantee you that there will be 1000 illegal copies before the day is done.

 

[Críostóir]

The trouble with SOPA is that it allows practically anyone to get any website shut down just with an unsupported accusation of copyright infringement.

The number of entities that are allowed to shut down sites is appallingly large, and the evidence required is...nothing.

You may support the intent of the law, but the EFFECT is something quite else. If you think JUB will survive a SOPA world, I think you have another think coming. The "social conservatives" (anti-gay bigots) will use SOPA to shut it right down, with no evidence and little appeal.

Now there IS a certain amount of arguably infringing activity on JUB (though for almost all of it you could argue fair use, and they're good about taking things down when asked). But a site doesn't even need to have ANY infringing activity to be cut off under SOPA; it just needs someone to say it does.

We probably need laws to deal with such things. This law is not the right one. This law will crush free speech on the net.

 

[Críostóir]

Question for the pornographer: I've become aware of a situation* in which a porn producer ripped off a bunch of models by promising them a lot of extra money if they'd bareback, and after they did paid them an amount even lower than what he'd quoted for condom work. His attitude was basically "I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it further." I think he actually tore up the paper contract they'd both signed and just gave them a new one with the smaller amount, but I'm not sure about that.


Short of getting lawyers involved (which these models probably can't afford), is there anyone they can or should complain to? If they don't want to work in the industry any more, should they go public with these reports? Is there a grapevine that can be activated?

I suspect not, since this type of producer looks for inexperienced people deliberately (partly because they're legitimately fresh faces). But if anyone knew of anything, it would be you, so I'm asking. Fraudsters like this need to be stopped.

*Full disclosure: I have this from only one source, who is one of the models involved. *I* don't have any evidence to go to anyone with. I'm considering whether I should encourage him to come forward, but I don't know who he could come forward TO.

 

[Soilwork]

It probably will and thats a shame. But go back a couple of years to when I was posting about trying to stop piracy and most people either told me I was an idiot or posted that "rolling on the floor laughing" icon.*

They weren't interested in trying to help stop it and in fact laughed it up in our faces that there was fuck all we could do to stop it. * and the result is a law written by mega corporations with no input from the public who seem to feel like its their right to pirate whatever they wanted.*

It's a bit too late to suddenly want input into this law. Shit happens. Take it as a lesson that if you're not part of the solution... Nobody will care about how the solution affects you.*

 

[Críostóir]

It's a bit too late to suddenly want input into this law. Shit happens. Take it as a lesson that if you're not part of the solution... Nobody will care about how the solution affects you.*

At this point we're just trying to stop it outright. The EFF is all over this, fortunately.

I'm pretty sure it won't get through the Senate.

 

[Soilwork]

At this point we're just trying to stop it outright. The EFF is all over this, fortunately.

I'm pretty sure it won't get through the Senate.

What I hope happens is that there is a law that will put responsibility on the sites that allow users to create their own content to be at least partially responsible for what is posted. *

Like I say, I host gaydailyhot.com myself along with jasunmark.com, fagstag.com and a few other sites that I own. I'm responsible for what's posted. Yes, it would suck for those free blogs if blogspot had to close down. But if blogspot isn't willing to stop people from using their service for illegal activity , that's what should happen.*

 

[Críostóir]

OK, I understand.

Anything to say to my question at #163?

 

[star-warrior]

If SOPA is used by the right wing fascists to shut down all gay networks and websites on the flimsiest accusations, you're fine with that?

 

[Soilwork]

If SOPA is used by the right wing fascists to shut down all gay networks and websites on the flimsiest accusations, you're fine with that?

Of course not. My point is that when a law is drafted by one side and the other side laughs at the effort, this is what happens.

 

[Telstra]

Shut up, Jasun: Porno Gaydar...



I still get a kick out of this video.

so in summary of this video, straight guys act girly.

How come in straight porn, straight guys didn't act girly?

 

[star-warrior]

Of course not. My point is that when a law is drafted by one side and the other side laughs at the effort, this is what happens.

Laws, drafting etc... Politician drafting those laws are in the pockets of their reelection campaign donors, and I would not be surprised if big pharma/music/porn industry etc carrot$ are being waved in front of those Washington beasts.

That aside, do you see yourself as an american or as a canadian in america?

 

[Soilwork]

Question for the pornographer: I've become aware of a situation* in which a porn producer ripped off a bunch of models by promising them a lot of extra money if they'd bareback, and after they did paid them an amount even lower than what he'd quoted for condom work. His attitude was basically "I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it further." I think he actually tore up the paper contract they'd both signed and just gave them a new one with the smaller amount, but I'm not sure about that.


Short of getting lawyers involved (which these models probably can't afford), is there anyone they can or should complain to? If they don't want to work in the industry any more, should they go public with these reports? Is there a grapevine that can be activated?

I suspect not, since this type of producer looks for inexperienced people deliberately (partly because they're legitimately fresh faces). But if anyone knew of anything, it would be you, so I'm asking. Fraudsters like this need to be stopped.

*Full disclosure: I have this from only one source, who is one of the models involved. *I* don't have any evidence to go to anyone with. I'm considering whether I should encourage him to come forward, but I don't know who he could come forward TO.

Wow.*

Without knowing anything other than "this is what I heard," I can't comment on the specific story.*

One thing I do know is that most of the times I've heard stories about producers pulling shit like that, the stories are totally made up.*

I've seen models take to twitter or go so far as to create whole blogs dedicated to spreading totally false stories about how and or why they were underpaid or mistreated or fired. Every time I have some first-hand knowledge of the real story, the model is lying or telling such a slanted version of the event it's absurd.*

If he signed a contract he should have a copy of it with the original amount. But on the occasion of models getting paid less than originally agreed, 100 % of the time that I've been close enough to know the "real" story, it's always something like the model showing up pudgy and out of shape or hung over or showing up so late that they had to pay the crew over time. Or not cumming or something.*

I'm not saying that's what happened here, there are a lot of under-handed assholes out there. But none that I've ever worked with.*

For all the nasty things you've seen written about any of my former employers, they were more likely to give bonuses or extra money for a good performance.*

When a model is offered more to bareback its usually a red flag. I know that Jake Cruise, who used to produce bareback and no longer does, was one of the most stand-up guys in the industry. I no longer work for him but he was always more
Than fair to models.*

 

[Soilwork]

so in summary of this video, straight guys act girly.

How come in straight porn, straight guys didn't act girly?

Not exactly.*

What im saying is that in my experience, it's the straight guys who need to be told to butch it up a bit.