Atheists can't explain existence.

[TX-Beau]

Oh he's religious all right. He just won't admit it. Otherwise why else argue all that "intelligent design" crap.

The only part of the argument missing is the "nature is too complexxxx.......," "Swiss Watch," part.

 

[TX-Beau]

Never mind, there it is.

The swiss watch part of "intelligent design"

AND WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!

 

[Pill Pusher]

Can you quote it again please..

In less you meant this..



"shaped life is a combination of the optimal conditions"

Are you saying that life is shaped by conditions but these are unguided and just occur or happen to exist.

There is the classic argument "One snooker ball doesn't make a brain. but neither does a million"

Complexity and information imply intelligence...

pH, molecular forces, temperature, etc. Matter move.


Complexity and information imply intelligence...

wow. Just wow. That's your rebuttal?

Wow. Okay, and No, not really.

 

[Etched]

"Complexity and information imply intelligence..."

If God really did exist, and God really did design life and God really was very smart,

Do you not think he would have copyrighted it all?

 

[TX-Beau]

Do you not think he would have copyrighted it all?

LOL.............

It's tied up in litigation.

 

[Etched]

LOL.............

It's tied up in litigation.

Lol, that's why he got so pissed off at Lucifer.

 

[Pill Pusher]

We exist. we designed the computer and fibre optics. we are smart. Do you have a problem with the existence intelligence persay?

I'm starting to doubt intelligence in this thread, mine included.

 

[Etched]

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Well put it this way, before there were humans, there were other animals who were less "smart" than we are today

So a if a bird, which isn't really that smart, makes a nest, does that prove that everything has been designed by some supreme creator that left no physical evidence?

 

[coyotewileye]

I know the question wasn't directed to me, but I want to reply nevertheless.

Are you claiming that science wil inevitably discover a how and why for everything.

No. I don't think mankind will ever run out of questions to answer, as mankind is always thriving to "better" themselves. The definition of the term better is debatable (and not something that should go in this thread) but I think that in that endeavor people will always asks questions. If only to improve the ability to expand mankind on this planet and later on on other planets. Inherently tied to that will always be the question: how can we get more effectively get rid of people we don't like (and in the future perhaps, how can we improve our alien killing skills).

As mankind is leaving the earth, more and more questions will arise on other universes, it's inhabitants and so. The universe is assumed to be endless and thus provides endless opportunities to study and ask more questions.

 

[Etched]

I don't think the thing that people are arguing here is "Does god exist"

What i think people are arguing is, there is no evidence to suggest that "God did it all"

 

[TX-Beau]

LOL

People, he's already rejected that smarty pants logic thing.

 

[gsdx]

For instance somone might reject God because they believe evolution does away with him. That is not a state of unbelief that is just a transfer of beliefs. humans ca't exist without beliefs. you have to believe words mean something to use them in language.

Where do you come up with this stuff?

Helen Keller didn't have to believe the words meant anything to use them in language. She simply had to understand that 'wa wa' was connected with those finger positions Annie Sullivan pressed into her hand.

 

[Aaron]

Disbelief is a state of belief to not believe something you have to have an opposing belief.

For example If I didn't believe France existed I would have a belief that where france is was either a part of the ocean or another country. If I don't believe that a car was outside my house that would mean that I would believe that when i look out my window No car would be their. I believe that fairy's don't exist. That is a state of belief

Non belief is a term largely used by atheists to disguise their belief orientated philosophy.

A state of belief isn't based on evidence at all. I can believe that France exists without having any evidence.

Evidence exists regardless of belief. So to come to the conclusion that there isn't a God you have to have formulated either a state of belief or a belief about evidence against God.

For instance somone might reject God because they believe evolution does away with him. That is not a state of unbelief that is just a transfer of beliefs. humans ca't exist without beliefs. you have to believe words mean something to use them in language.

You toss around the word belief like it is interchangeable with knowledge and fact.

You are clearly unable to recognize the difference between belief and knowledge/fact. You are also clearly unable to recognize the difference between a belief and non-belief. You are prone to only responding to the portions of a post (mine and others) that you seem to think you have some chance of rebutting. And you make unsupported, blanket statements like "humans can't exist without beliefs." Prove it.

I should have kept doing my accounting homework.

 

[TX-Beau]

There you go with your smarty pants logic again.

 

[sunoftheskye]

You toss around the word belief like it is interchangeable with knowledge and fact.

You are clearly unable to recognize the difference between belief and knowledge/fact. You are also clearly unable to recognize the difference between a belief and non-belief. You are prone to only responding to the portions of a post (mine and others) that you seem to think you have some chance of rebutting. And you make unsupported, blanket statements like "humans can't exist without beliefs." Prove it.

I should have kept doing my accounting homework.

 

[sunoftheskye]

I almost feel bad for AndrewD. 10 pages of him being annihilated in his own thread.

 

[sunoftheskye]

Well your obviously reading the wrong thread.

Please don't pass off your own OPINION as fact in an attempt to undermine people.

Furthermore have attempted to avoid the need to explain existence by claiming that they don't belive anything therefore they needn't explain anything.. what a F*cking cop out.

Anyn honest person would be full aware of a wide range of beliefs that are part and parcel of atheism.

Huh? Isn't that exactly what YOU'RE doing?

 

[gsdx]

It is so sad that, even when people try to be nice to you, you rip them apart.

If this is how you treat your friends in real life, then you must be an extremely lonely person.

 

[gsdx]

^ Alas, you will probably never know.

 

[_AJ_]

It would be interesting to see a comparison of posts he responds to compared to ones he does not

for example these ones which have not been responded to

I am interested in science that can explain why we exsist, the cause either for or against a divine entity being irrelevant imho.

As it stands humanity is unable to answer definitivley why matter exsists or even really how the universe came into being, religion is the attempt of early civilizations to understand the world and answer the questions that as of yet still remain unanswered, either by religion or science. (If you want to define matter go get a dictionary!)

Time is a system of human quantification to describe the universe from one moment to the next, nothing more or less.

Infinity is a mathematical concept for a number(or something else) without end, start counting now every second of everyday, of every year and when you die you still will not have reached 'inifinity'. (an undefinably great or large amount.)

i'm not a biologist but the human consciousness is for lack of a better explanation imho " the state of being aware of ones own; thoughts, feelings, surroundings, and existance."

So on the whole whether you are a theist, atheist or agnostic no one can explain existance. All that humanity possesses are theories on how we and the rest of the universe came to exist.(Be they a religious theory or Scientific one.) As it stands we do exist and so does the universe.
How&Why we came to exist are unknown to us.

We don't know if god exists, or if it created everything however, we don't know if it did either.

In the end your orginal statement is flawed. Atheism is the non-belief in a higher power. An Atheists knowledge of the universe is limited to the collective knowledge of the rest of humanity and therefore cannot explain existance.
As NO one can explain existance. Yet. ( At least not in the ways you are asking)

Please try not to make statements that are irrefutable. Atheists cannot explain existance, neither can theists or anyone else so attributing a lack of explanation soley to a single group/person is short sighted and naive. Especially when the question to which you want an answer to has been unanswerable by anyone in the whole of human history. As it stands humanity has defined the things matter, time etc.. but has no concrete information as to why they exist, knowing what something is and being able to give reasons for its existance are two entirely different questions. You maybe able to answer one but, not the other as in the above instances.

~element

Everything above is prefaced with imho.

Do I do that i don't and many others don't just because some people who happen to be atheists do does not mean that atheists are part of some kind of religion.



not at all mate i am just saying we dont know everything and that no matter how good the evidence for a natural cause of life until we can actually observe it happening in one way or another we can't be certain what happened that may be observing another planet which is earth like and seeing life arise or going back in time to see it happen here.
this is different in the case of evolution though we have evidence of changes in animal life over time and since we have evidence of changes we don't need to see the change take place in an instant because evolution is a fundamentally different thing to the being of life

evolution is like a car crash in that you can see the skid marks and what happened and can piece it together

life is like a single event which does not effect anything around it and would need observation to prove what happened

compared to these which were

A driverless car only seems like magic at first glance.

Look up the Skytrain in Vancouver.

It is not reasonable to say that one must look for a driver. What about a car just sitting there? Who applied the brakes? There must have been a brake applicator. (oh really?)

A driverless car is no more a clue to the existence of a hidden driver than a driverless flowerpot.

Existence, is proven like the plumpudding. it does not require more explanation then that!

Is he banned now