Baby it's cold outside..

[rareboy]

I think the OP is just looking for things to be outraged about.

 

[gsdx]

Little consideration is given here about when the song was written and composed. It was created during WWII by Frank Loesser as a song that he and his wife could perform privately. He sold it to MGM and the rest is history. It even won an Academy Award. The version by Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Jordan was recorded in April 1949. In June, it hit the Billboard Best Seller chart in June. Three other recordings also hit the Billboard chart that same year.

The line "Say, what's in this drink?" is little more than a joke of the time without the punchline, but the punchline wasn't in the song because everybody in that time knew what it was: "Nothing. Not even much alcohol." It became an idiom in the 30s and 40s as an excuse people often used for the 'naughty' things they knew they shouldn't be doing.

People are taking a 70-year-old song and seeing it as if it were written today.

If people knew the history of this song, this discussion would not be taking place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby,_It's_Cold_Outside

 

[SeaCore]

Yeah I pretty much agree with gsdx and Lucky.

You have to admit, with no extra context the line of 'What's in this drink?' is concerning. And I don't think it's reasonable to expect people to know the historical context of a random 'Christmas' song played in the background of shopping centers.

The song is—fine. For the people that like that kind of flirtatious game of pursuit and get the vibe, it's fine.
In reality it's a problem to rely too much on expecting people to pick up the correct subtext from interactions like that but it can be fine.

 

[mikey3000]

In reality, if people today assume he slipped roofies in her drink, they gitta get a life. What other traditional christmas songs should be banned?

1) Rudolf The Red Nosed Reindeer. Trivializes alcoholism.

2) Come They Told Me. Assumes no wise women.

3) White Christmas. Self explanatory.

4) O Come all ye Faithful. Excludes athiests.

Any more?

 

[Dominus]

Yeah I pretty much agree with gsdx and Lucky.

You have to admit, with no extra context the line of 'What's in this drink?' is concerning. And I don't think it's reasonable to expect people to know the historical context of a random 'Christmas' song played in the background of shopping centers.

The song is—fine. For the people that like that kind of flirtatious game of pursuit and get the vibe, it's fine.
In reality it's a problem to rely too much on expecting people to pick up the correct subtext from interactions like that but it can be fine.

I disagree.

Social justice warriors tend to be students, the purple hair feminist social studies teacher, and other people in academic settings. I hold them to a higher standard when it comes to context of these things based on the times and places.

If your typical SJW thinks they had roofies back when the along was written, then get the he'll off the stage.

 

[gsdx]

I disagree.

Social justice warriors tend to be students, the purple hair feminist social studies teacher, and other people in academic settings. I hold them to a higher standard when it comes to context of these things based on the times and places.

If your typical SJW thinks they had roofies back when the along was written, then get the he'll off the stage.

I'm 67 years old. I grew up listening to this song. It was never, ever, about rape or date rape or anything else other than the situation it was.. And I never knew ANY of the history of it until I Googled it this morning. Anybody who is bitching about this song could have done what I did. It took me 5 minutes.

And speaking of roofies, I'd like to know if you know what a Mickey Finn is without Googling it? If you don't, why don't you?

 

[Dominus]

I'm 67 years old. I grew up listening to this song. It was never, ever, about rape or date rape or anything else other than the situation it was.. And I never knew ANY of the history of it until I Googled it this morning. Anybody who is bitching about this song could have done what I did. It took me 5 minutes.

And speaking of roofies, I'd like to know if you know what a Mickey Finn is without Googling it? If you don't, why don't you?

Of course I don't. That's an unfair comparison.

Whatever Mickey Finn is, do you see me screaming bloody murder about it or try to get it banned?

Unlike SJWs, I don't have an opinion about things I don't know about.

We can play this game all day. I know certain things that you don't. You know certain things that I don't. But as soon as you try to get so-and-so banned, you better know what the hell you're talking about.

 

[mikey3000]

I think the more these SJW try to alter reality, all us normal folk have to do is sit back and relax. They are doing all our work for us. Absolutely rediculous.

 

[USEDCAR]

Sadly this is the new thing people are digging up old movies and getting outraged about it. If you listen to old Rap songs all they talk about is smoking weed and banging females.

People use to have a backbone now everyone is getting offended over everything and crying in their safe space.

 

[SeaCore]

I disagree.

Social justice warriors tend to be students, the purple hair feminist social studies teacher, and other people in academic settings. I hold them to a higher standard when it comes to context of these things based on the times and places.

If your typical SJW thinks they had roofies back when the along was written, then get the he'll off the stage.

Not everyone that has an issue with the song is an outrage warrior.
If someone is claiming to criticize the song on an academic level or makes claims about the intent of the song then I agree. They need to be informed and should understand the importance of context.

But plenty of random peolle will admit to finding the lyrics a bit skeevey, if they pay attention to it.

And how do you know that outrage warriors don't know the original context of the song?
I know it. Doesn't make me up and forget how the lyrics sound creepy to me. It gives me and understanding on why people might like it and how it made it to air.
Also, to clarify, I'm not pushing for the song to be banned. It's just not something I'd actively seek out. Honestly the back and forth about the song that pops up every year is more annoying than anything else; since it's always the same points and refutations.

 

[SeaCore]

Sadly this is the new thing people are digging up old movies and getting outraged about it. If you listen to old Rap songs all they talk about is smoking weed and banging females.

People use to have a backbone now everyone is getting offended over everything and crying in their safe space.

This conversation is so not new. It's been going on annually for years.

 

[Dominus]

^@ seacore

I've had enough run-ins with SJWs.

The lyrics are only creepy if you think about it in that light. I said this in another thread. Anything can be put a negative spin on to look creepy. Last night I gave my dog a belly rub. Was I sexually abusing my dog?

I actually like this song. Thinking in the light that it was meant to, it resembles very much how I have a loving husband nowadays. Like I said before, there is something wonderful about courtship between two respecting individuals, straight or gay. Why try to warp it into something perverted?

 

[mikey3000]

 

[SeaCore]

I'm not warping it. This is just my honest experience of the song. I considered it mildly creepy all on my own.

Like I said before the type of courtship in the song can be fine. It's great and exciting for some people and causes problems for others.

Enjoy the song, glad it brings up such happy feelings/memories.

 

[Kahaih]

So, 70 years ago, where would people have been exposed to this seasons greetings soft porn?

Over public radio? I have doubts.

In a family store - Woolworths - Murphy's? Doesn't seem likely.

Daytime/after school TV? I'll bet not.

My guess would be in a 'beer joint' and/or late evening TV when the kids were in bed.

Where is it getting air time these days?

 

[mikey3000]

Uh, public radio, family department stores like Woolworth Macy's and Gimbal's, and early TV. Geez, it even won a Grammy. Soft porn? Lol!

 

[rareboy]

In reality, if people today assume he slipped roofies in her drink, they gitta get a life. What other traditional christmas songs should be banned?

1) Rudolf The Red Nosed Reindeer. Trivializes alcoholism.

2) Come They Told Me. Assumes no wise women.

3) White Christmas. Self explanatory.

4) O Come all ye Faithful. Excludes athiests.

Any more?

As I suspected, this is really more about finding a vehicle for your broader outrage.

You do realize that you and the other mortally offended are no different at all than the SJW snowflakes you hate? You are just out there wailing and railing about your causes.

So some stations will drop the song because listeners are uncomfortable with a guy having to get his date so drunk that she will stay the night (it doesn't have to be rohipnol)...other stations will treat it as a period piece that is entirely innocent. There's no question that there has always been a bit of a creep factor to the song. It smacks of that Madmen era of sexual privilege...the seduction of the ingenue....who isn't necessarily an unwilling partner, as has already been noted.

But we can always count on the right wingers to get their balls in a twist over something.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

The evil is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[Kahaih]

I'm really more surprised to hear that a soft porn song about extramarital sex came from the Mayberry era.

I feel like I should make a citizen's arrest.

 

[peeonme]

Now that this is resolved, let's go burn some books...