Baby Shot in The Head, Mother Injured

[refujiunderground]

Where ? The age of the kids ?

yeah, that and the rest of the story.

 

[johaninsc]

I've already seen articles where the younger of the two boys age is listed as 13, 14, and also 15

for me it's a little early to be forming an opinion

 

[Beachguyj]

I hate people who say they don't like how she's acting. They have been watching too many tv shows and think everyone has to act the way Hollywood writers say they should.

 

[Beachguyj]

yeah, that and the fact that they killed her baby and let her live. doesn't add up.

They shot her in the leg and grazed her ear. Maybe they got spooked that after the gunfire people would start to come out and see them leave the scene.

and why would she set it up on a street where possible someone could have seen her shoot her child if she did it. She could have just done it in her back yard and said that aome kids forced her there at gunpoint if she was making it up.

 

[refujiunderground]

They shot her in the leg and grazed her ear. Maybe they got spooked that after the gunfire people would start to come out and see them leave the scene.

and why would she set it up on a street where possible someone could have seen her shoot her child if she did it. She could have just done it in her back yard and said that aome kids forced her there at gunpoint if she was making it up.

it just doesn't add up. she should be in the hospital right now fighting for her life or dead if that's her story. i just don't buy that the shooter would try to kill her in the way she describe where she only suffers a gaze wound and a bullethole in the leg but able to kill off the kid with a headshot then run and hide while she's still alive. why leave behind a witness? if they were crazy enough to kill the baby, they should have left her with a couple of bullets other than the wounds she just sustained.

another thing too. she was way too eager to appear on the news to show her face and tell her story to the media for someone that was a victim of an attempted murder while the suspects are on the loose? why tell your story to the whole world, showing the insides of your house, telling them where you live, and all while your baby's killers are outthere where they can come and find you to finish you off? the oldest suspect should have fled town if that was the case. they just committed a murder. you're not going to simply stay in town IF there's a witness alive talking.

 

[Beachguyj]

it just doesn't add up. she should be in the hospital right now fighting for her life or dead if that's her story. i just don't buy that the shooter would try to kill her in the way she describe where she only suffers a gaze wound and a bullethole in the leg but able to kill off the kid with a headshot then run and hide while she's still alive. why leave behind a witness? if they were crazy enough to kill the baby, they should have left her with a couple of bullets other than the wounds she just sustained.

another thing too. she was way too eager to appear on the news to show her face and tell her story to the media for someone that was a victim of an attempted murder while the suspects are on the loose? why tell your story to the whole world, showing the insides of your house, telling them where you live, and all while your baby's killers are outthere where they can come and find you to finish you off? the oldest suspect should have fled town if that was the case. they just committed a murder. you're not going to simply stay in town IF there's a witness alive talking.

So your presumption is that she killed her own baby point blank and then grazed her ear with a bullet and shot herself in the leg, not knowing if she was going to hit an artery and die too.

Maybe she's out there because she wants the animals that did this caught, and if she did do this she deserves to be skinned alive herself.

Why is it so impossible for you to think that two inner city teens could have so little respect for life that they would shoot a baby in the head?

Plus they have people in custody which means they didn't have an alibi as to where they were at the time of the shooting and may have also possibly said other things that made them suspects.

 

[refujiunderground]

So your presumption is that she killed her own baby point blank and then grazed her ear with a bullet and shot herself in the leg, not knowing if she was going to hit an artery and die too.

Maybe she's out there because she wants the animals that did this caught, and if she did do this she deserves to be skinned alive herself.

Why is it so impossible for you to think that two inner city teens could have so little respect for life that they would shoot a baby in the head?

Plus they have people in custody which means they didn't have an alibi as to where they were at the time of the shooting and may have also possibly said other things that made them suspects.

you apparently don't understand the criminal justice system and how the police operate. trust me, godforbid, you end up in a situation where the police stop you because you look and fit the description of a murder suspect. do you even know your rights in that situation? do you realize that about any black teenager and black kid in that neighborhood could have been viewed as a suspect at that point? i mean you should just wonder why she felt the need to stress out the suspects race as if it matters. she also said that one of them was a child yet she managed to pick out teenagers from the photos presented to her of the murder suspects. so obviously, there's something up. plus, we're talking about the south here and obviously, the history of this country if a black person hurts or/and kills a white person. need i say more. do you know how many black people have been thrown under the bus like that only to be found innocent because folks wanted to get justice by any means. as a black person, this disturbs me. i look at it as any black male in that town that was a kid and teen the moment she said that became a suspect.

you also don't understand the mind of criminals either because if you did, you would be focusing your attention to the mother.

all this situation is doing is revealing the ignorance of people. it's bringing out the racists and all the people who are guillible or believe everything that they're told. folks are all jumping to conclusions saying these kids are guilty. where's the gun at?

i have to say the police are doing a sloppy job.

 

[Beachguyj]

you apparently don't understand the criminal justice system and how the police operate. trust me, godforbid, you end up in a situation where the police stop you because you look and fit the description of a murder suspect. do you even know your rights in that situation?

you also don't understand the mind of criminals either because if you did, you would be focusing your attention to the mother.

all this situation is doing is revealing the ignorance of people. it's bringing out the racists and all the people who are guillible or believe everything that they're told.

and you will be the racist if we find out that the suspects did do this.

You have the audacity to call people racist for believing the story until we have evidence that it not true.

 

[refujiunderground]

and you will be the racist if we find out that the suspects did do this.

You have the audacity to call people racist for believing the story until we have evidence that it not true.

i said the incident is bringing out all the racists because if you look on yahoo news, cnn, huffington posts, youtube and elsewhere at the comments relating to this story, tell me what do you see and then get back at me.

people are already assuming that they're guilty and in the news articles, it doesn't say anything indicating that they're have involvement besides them not being in school that day. i just want to know how the police was able to rule those two guys out when i'm sure there were plenty of kids that were cutting school that day.

 

[refujiunderground]

Wow... so some on here just know about everything about the police and justice system? Rather than sitting at home all day... I guess some should get out a little more and stop playing detective as if everything is a law and order episode.

Sit down, relax and don't make a judgment until all the facts are in. Making judgments and then being proved wrong can be highly embarrassing.

that must be directed to me. i have my degree in criminal justice, thank you. last time i remember whenever someone said the same thing to you talking about politics, you stated that you had your poly science degrees and etc. talk about being a hypocrite.

all i'm doing is just stating my opinion of what i think happened. i'm NOT making judgements.

 

[The Fly]

I don't know who did what, neither do the rest of you.
Some facts to consider;
The cops arrested a suspect, the mother picked that person from a photo array of 24 individuals without knowing he was already in custody. Unless the cops somehow hinted or otherwise indicated who they arrested she would have no way of knowing. Seems like a legit ID.
The mother had no way to commit the crime and get rid of the weapon before people arrived on the scene.
As to "she picked out teenagers" wrong, she picked out one person, apparently the right one.
The belief that a murderer would have gotten out of town, get real. First off they're kids, so their ability to take it on the lam is limited at best. People, especially kids, that commit these types of crimes are usually found hiding at their mom’s house.
The cops have probably done a GSRT (gun shot residue test) of the mother and the suspects, the results will speak for themselves.
As far as the nonsense about "profiling", the suspects were described as two young black males, who should the cops look for elderly white women?
Is it possible that the cops grabbed the wrong people? Sure, anythings possible, but screaming about racism and racial profiling at this point is plain irresponsible.
Let the facts be revealed before issuing proclamations from on high.

 

[refujiunderground]

I don't know who did what, neither do the rest of you.
Some facts to consider;
The cops arrested a suspect, the mother picked that person from a photo array of 24 individuals without knowing he was already in custody. Unless the cops somehow hinted or otherwise indicated who they arrested she would have no way of knowing. Seems like a legit ID.
The mother had no way to commit the crime and get rid of the weapon before people arrived on the scene.
As to "she picked out teenagers" wrong, she picked out one person, apparently the right one.
The belief that a murderer would have gotten out of town, get real. First off they're kids, so their ability to take it on the lam is limited at best. People, especially kids, that commit these types of crimes are usually found hiding at their mom’s house.
The cops have probably done a GSRT (gun shot residue test) of the mother and the suspects, the results will speak for themselves.
As far as the nonsense about "profiling", the suspects were described as two young black males, who should the cops look for elderly white women?
Is it possible that the cops grabbed the wrong people? Sure, anythings possible, but screaming about racism and racial profiling at this point is plain irresponsible.
Let the facts be revealed before issuing proclamations from on high.

the question is how were the cops able to chose those two guys as suspects? even the way they went about finding the suspects is a huge question mark. using the mother who is the ONLY witness to the crime and them using attendance records to know which kids were there at school that day to find the two suspects? they weren't even able to find a GUN yet.

at this point, the burden of proof falls on the mother and she seems suspicious to me. all i'm saying is that her story is a bit suspect to me since all of this is going according to HER story. if her story holds up, the cops should be able to find evidence collaborating with her story. so far, they haven't really found anything to back it up.

the evidence at this point is WEAK. if this were to go to trial, there would not be enough evidence to convict. under cross examination, the mother would basically crumble on the stand because her story appears to have loopholes in it. NO weapon has been found.

what sickens me is how there's a whole lot of people jumping to conclusions about how those guys should be executed, saying that they're guilty without much evidence linking them to the crime. like for real, what happens if it comes out that those guys are innocent and have nothing to do with that shit. their lives are ruined.

 

[refujiunderground]

And a few posts ago you were claiming you weren't jumping to conclusions... and here we are again. That criminal justice degree... well... isn't helping.

you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. how am i jumping to conclusions when everything i said has been stated in the news? there hasn't been ANY evidence directly linking the guys to the crime because if it did, the info would have said. get over yourself.

if they're withholding information, it's probably because they don't believe the story the mother gave either and they're waiting to see how it pans out.

 

[bankside]

"Clearly the mother should have been armed," to paraphrase the American gun lobby.

 

[refujiunderground]

The police nor prosecutors office aren't going to release all the information to the press. That's just not how things work. And if information gets leaked that's an entirely different problem. And if they are withholding information, it has to do with prosecuting a case and not compromising the case integrity. Come on man... this is stuff one learns in any basic law class.

didn't the mother already do that by appearing on tv telling the media what happened giving the main details of the case? isn't she a vital part of the case since she is the ONLY witness of the story so her witness account is what the police are basing their investigation on? i think her descriptions of the suspects especially the youngest one is very faulty. the police would advise her not to appear on tv if that was the case because it might ruin the investigation.

 

[Scealle]

This is so sad

 

[gsdx]

the police would advise her not to appear on tv if that was the case because it might ruin the investigation.

Victims of violent crimes appear in the media all the time. Why does this make the mother a suspect in this case? You dug yourself into a hole from your very first post and now you're desperately trying to find a way out by making stuff up and expecting us to believe it.

It doesn't help your case when you edit 80% of your posts.

 

[refujiunderground]

Victims of violent crimes appear in the media all the time. Why does this make the mother a suspect in this case? You dug yourself into a hole from your very first post and now you're desperately trying to find a way out by making stuff up and expecting us to believe it.

It doesn't help your case when you edit 80% of your posts.

again

just because i don't agree with your opinion doesn't make mine shit.

sorry, how many people you know get shot, see their child die right in front of them and then some hours later, appears in front of news cameras in their house, outside on their street and etc ready to tell their story with their attacker/child's killer on the loose? i mean, for someone who just experiences some SERIOUS trauma like that, the last place they would want to be is on the damn news. she should be scared for her life.

even the way she is grieving doesn't seem sincere.

it's as if your emotions are getting in the way of what's logical.

i THINK there's more to the story than what is being said because it doesn't sound like a random act of violence especially in a community that is considered safe.

 

[unknownme]

I hope that karma doesnt strike me down so hard for thinking this, but....I find her story to be a little .

I feel so horrible for thinking that, but its the truth

that's exactly what i thought. i made a lengthy response but i realized that i jumped way too deep into conclusions without hearing the whole story first. i thought it was a home invasion but i saw the clip again and it was something else.

i don't buy her story at all. i just don't. there's so many questions and red flags that don't add up. this reminds me of the susan smith case.

one of the many red flags to me would be why the hell would she, as a witness to her child's murder and a victim herself, show her face on tv like that and showing where she lives? shouldn't she be in hiding? wouldn't she be scared for her life that the guys are still outthere? to me, if her story happened the way she says it did, she wouldn't be all holding a press conference in her house afterwards as a victim of a violent crime.

i don't buy the fact that they'll shoot her baby and leave her alive. she should be dead too. they shoot the baby in the face and shoot you in the leg. then she mentions that the suspects are kids and she describes them so clearly as if she has a story cooked up. something's not right here. wouldn't be surprised if she was the one that did it. it sounds like some made up shit.

i just want to know how long it took experts like you guys to come up with the conclusion that the mother killed her own child. i certainly wouldn't want someone like you, refuji. to ever be a member of a jury.

 

[refujiunderground]

i just want to know how long it took experts like you guys to come up with the conclusion that the mother killed her own child. i certainly wouldn't want someone like you, refuji. to ever be a member of a jury.

did anyone of us say that she killed her child?

we just said that the story she has doesn't sound right which makes her seem suspicious. i don't think what she said what happened really happened. maybe she was cheating on her husband with some guy who wanted to break up their marriage by trying to kill her or her kid, maybe she was involved with drugs, or something else. i personally believe that she's lying about something and the truth will come out over time.