Baptist display their hatred - - surprise surprise

[luminum]

So that's like a club full of assholes voting that people who hate assholes will be barred from joining?

So who's missing out in any of this? Big loss.

 

[cocktales]

I could care less what a bunch of bible toting assholes from the Southern Baptist whatever has to say; but just think about those hundreds of thousands of poor Gay boys/men at home having to deal with this!

Damn it's hard........and think of the possible suicides that might ensue over this..........feeling that there's NO way out now... NOT even the church wants them! In a rural setting in the South, this is devastating!

Those bastards, how dare they take it upon themselves to ex-clude a particular group!

Bravo Jasun!

The only way Gay people are going to get civil rights like the rest of the universe, is to be one huge group........NOT a minority in numbers; but a large group who say, "We're Mad As Hell, And We're Not Gonna Take It Anymore!"

 

[orton86]

And for some reason people wonder why a lot of people are leaving the church.

 

[hotdog1846]

what it tells you about me is that I'm so sick of hearing people whine that they can't come out because "People will be mean to me".

I get it that there ARE some good reasons for not coming out.

But just a few... most of them are just excuses.

And yes, you know what? I DO judge people who don't live their lives on their own terms. And I'm allowed to.

THAT's how judgement works.

Sorry Soil, I started to leave you a comment then changed my mind and decided to put this in the thread instead.

One thing I've always admired about you is that you don't accept victimhood status, from yourself or others. I believe that -- victimhood -- is what you're passing judgement on here. As you noted in a later post, there are reasons for using the closet, as a device for promoting higher goals, not as a crutch.

David Horsey is my favorite editorial cartoonist. I think none of us would want to be as maladjusted as Ted Haggard, the butt of this cartoon. Honestly, the church -- Catholic, SBC, Evangelical, mainline denominations -- is FULL of closeted homosexuals ... "the wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness ... the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another" (Romans 1). I don't think that passage is talking about today's gay community...

 

[Soilwork]

From reading your posts over time, I think that you don't understand that life can feel totally different in someone else's shoes. What is fear to you can be terror to them.

I do always support your underlying message Soil. This is just a philosophical debate about how to best help people out of the closet.

Sorry , I can't let this one go.

What makes you think I don't understand the terror of coming out?

I grew up a gay kid in a homophobic farming villiage in Eastern Canada in the 80s.

I realize that my approach is a bit heavy handed, but in the immortal words of Karen Kane, sometimes you have to slap the in the face just to get their attention.

 

[BenF]

Baptists have issues with gays.

In other news today:
* Bear admits to arboreal faecal indescretions
* Pope comes out as having Catholic tendencies
* Fergie's ski-trip ends in embarrassment.

 

[Riverrick]

Sorry , I can't let this one go.

What makes you think I don't understand the terror of coming out?

I grew up a gay kid in a homophobic farming villiage in Eastern Canada in the 80s.

I realize that my approach is a bit heavy handed, but in the immortal words of Karen Kane, sometimes you have to slap the in the face just to get their attention.

I guess your approach sometimes makes it seem that you don't understand. At least from my perspective. I don't mean to minimize your own coming out experience. I just don't agree with lines like "grow some balls". I think it overlooks the complexity of many of these situations and it leaves me with the impression that you haven't thought about what it may be like to stand in the other guys shoes.

That being said, its my personality type to be empathetic. That's how I understand the world best and thus its a bias I have. And one thing I've learned about these boards is that its a good thing I'm not the only one giving advice because sometimes these guys do better with a different approach than mine.

I don't know how else to explain it except to say that I don't always agree with how you say things. When I disagree I don't usually debate you about it because, well, its your right to say whatever you want and also because I seem to usually agree with your underlying message. For some unknown reason I decided to say something yesterday.

 

[Rand]

can a person ever live his life

if he is living to meet other's expectations

when is coming out the only way to be real and true?

 

[hermanding]

I agree that we all need to be OUT, we're everywhere, even in catholic South America. The gay pride parade here in Bogotá is unbelievable for its size and diversity. As for this hatred in a church like that,if it isn't stopped, 'camps' will open up again as during the Hitler era for guess who - US. ding

 

[Soilwork]

I just don't agree with lines like "grow some balls".

Um.. when I say "Strap on a pair", I'm talking about boxing gloves... not testicles.

Yeah, I've got a different style that's always worked for me.... why not use it on other people?

 

[Rand]

Um.. when I say "Strap on a pair", I'm talking about boxing gloves... not testicles.

Yeah, I've got a different style that's always worked for me.... why not use it on other people?

Your style works great for you - and your courage helps many here

sometimes, however, your small steps are barriers to be surmounted by others

please continue to give us encouragement; please continue to set a good example; please keep us smiling and hoping for better things to come