Barack Obama Promised A New Kind Of Politics, But Played The Same Old Game

[Jack Springer]

I think Mr. Obama genuinely wanted to change the way things work in Washington. Though he is certainly no patsy, I think he clings to the hope that what is good and proper will prevail -- at least in terms of the perception of the electorate. Perhaps he has painted himself into a corner in that regard; however, I think he pushes back more than we may realize. He does have an effective management style, but it is not obvious to the casual observer. It is my opinion that he has made some fundamental mistakes, including boasting (e.g. "I won.") and using sarcasm in front of the the camera. But in terms of making things happen, that's kinda his forte. People like to see the evidence in real time, but I think it will remain hidden until the historians sift through the evidence at a later time.

Ophinterph you may be the only person left in the USA who still believes in the hope and change of Obama's 2008.

Hopefully you aren't feeling any tingles up your leg when Obama speaks -- the world can only stand one Chris Matthews.

 

[Lostlover]

Like I say above. Exactly. He should have moved mountains in his first two years because I have a feeling he will win and the republicans will make him the longest lame duck in history if he doesn't bring his game up.

That's why people like me will be voting against the Republicans/Romney rather than because we support the policies of this administration. This really feels like blackmail if you ask me.

 

[opinterph]

Ophinterph you may be the only person left in the USA who still believes

Search to your heart's content. You will not find any post in which I have ever announced that I "believe" anything at all whatsoever.

 

[Sausy]

Ophinterph you may be the only person left in the USA who still believes in the hope and change of Obama's 2008.

Hopefully you aren't feeling any tingles up your leg when Obama speaks -- the world can only stand one Chris Matthews.

Barack got his political education in Chicago politics. They don't do reform. He is and has always been a lot more manipulative and devious than his admirers care to admit. I voted for him, tired of the Bush mess and hoping for a change but you can't get past Obama's tendency to be whoever he thinks his target audience wants him to be. The GOP are no heroes wth their crazy right but no way I'd trust Obama again. He is all too capable of playing in the mud... biggest hypocrite in the White House ever.

 

[Lostlover]

Barack got his political education in Chicago politics. They don't do reform. He is and has always been a lot more manipulative and devious than his admirers care to admit. I voted for him, tired of the Bush mess and hoping for a change but you can't get past Obama's tendency to be whoever he thinks his target audience wants him to be. The GOP are no heroes wth their crazy right but no way I'd trust Obama again. He is all too capable of playing in the mud... biggest hypocrite in the White House ever.

You sound like one of those people who act like they're too good for politics when you ask them where they stand.

"Politicians won't get anything done," or "They're all liars."

It's just a phony cop out for not following politics because there are parties out there for everyone.

 

[JayHawk]

Barack got his political education in Chicago politics. They don't do reform. He is and has always been a lot more manipulative and devious than his admirers care to admit. I voted for him, tired of the Bush mess and hoping for a change but you can't get past Obama's tendency to be whoever he thinks his target audience wants him to be. The GOP are no heroes wth their crazy right but no way I'd trust Obama again. He is all too capable of playing in the mud... biggest hypocrite in the White House ever.

By that you seem to be saying you will go with R and R. How can you be knowledgeable of the process and then still accept that doing exactly what Bush did but worse will somehow cure what it earned us in the first place?

President Bush has presided over the weakest eight-year span for the U.S. economy in decades, according to an analysis of key data, and economists across the ideological spectrum increasingly view his two terms as a time of little progress on the nation's thorniest fiscal challenges.
The number of jobs in the nation increased by about 2 percent during Bush's tenure, the most tepid growth over any eight-year span since data collection began seven decades ago. Gross domestic product, a broad measure of economic output, grew at the slowest pace for a period of that length since the Truman administration. And Americans' incomes grew more slowly than in any presidency since the 1960s, other than that of Bush's father.

So what i wonder for a voter like you is how you come to terms with a Romney platform that is Bush's years doubled down? Many on the right that are from this region I simply chalk it up to ignorance. But someone who follows the news and has followed the various sides of things on this forum, i find it hard to believe you willfully suspend reality.

 

[Sausy]

By that you seem to be saying you will go with R and R. How can you be knowledgeable of the process and then still accept that doing exactly what Bush did but worse will somehow cure what it earned us in the first place?



So what i wonder for a voter like you is how you come to terms with a Romney platform that is Bush's years doubled down? Many on the right that are from this region I simply chalk it up to ignorance. But someone who follows the news and has followed the various sides of things on this forum, i find it hard to believe you willfully suspend reality.

I'm not going with Romney... probably Johnson. I'm not a fan of much of the GOP agenda either. I just think Barack still gets FAR more props than he deserves.

 

[JayHawk]

Well he isn't the best that could be there but the best that will lead us. I think his first two years were amazing but under performed.

While i may lean towards the ideas of Johnson or at least the anti vote type vote. I refuse to waste my vote.

 

[Sausy]

Well he isn't the best that could be there but the best that will lead us. I think his first two years were amazing but under performed.

While i may lean towards the ideas of Johnson or at least the anti vote type vote. I refuse to waste my vote.

It's only a wasted vote if it's cast for the lesser of two evils than a call to wake up the system.

 

[Stardreamer]

Well he isn't the best that could be there but the best that will lead us. I think his first two years were amazing but under performed.

While i may lean towards the ideas of Johnson or at least the anti vote type vote. I refuse to waste my vote.

The only wasted vote is the one not cast. I'm likely to vote for Johnson too KNOWING that he cannot win but if enough vote for him it sends a message. I continue to ask the question where does a gay/bi conservatives and libertarians go if the Republicans are not acceptable due to their social stance and keep getting told they should just hold their nose and vote for the other guys (Democrats). Voting for Johnson would be my answer to that. I might vote for Obama if it looks like the Republicans would defeat him as I think he is better of the two choices right now but if not, I will vote with my conscience vs the lesser evil. Why should I do less?

 

[JayHawk]

Those are valid points. I could vote in Kansas, Tennessee or Ohio currently. I decided earlier this year to stick with TN for tax reasons. They don't have any state taxes. That will do well for me in retirement. SO I guess I am just like Romney using my position to garner tax freedom. lol

 

[Jack Springer]

Those are valid points. I could vote in Kansas, Tennessee or Ohio currently. I decided earlier this year to stick with TN for tax reasons. They don't have any state taxes. That will do well for me in retirement. SO I guess I am just like Romney using my position to garner tax freedom. lol

Why not vote in all three?

Just think -- 3 votes for Obama. You won't be the only one.

 

[Spiff]

Why not vote in all three?

Just think -- 3 votes for Obama. You won't be the only one.

Another post securing your lack of credibility here.

 

[chance1]

Clinton was surprised by the hostility he encountered. He thought the folks in Washington were there to do the people’s business, first and foremost.

I think Mr. Obama genuinely wanted to change the way things work in Washington. Though he is certainly no patsy, I think he clings to the hope that what is good and proper will prevail -- at least in terms of the perception of the electorate. Perhaps he has painted himself into a corner in that regard; however, I think he pushes back more than we may realize. He does have an effective management style, but it is not obvious to the casual observer. It is my opinion that he has made some fundamental mistakes, including boasting (e.g. "I won.") and using sarcasm in front of the the camera. But in terms of making things happen, that's kinda his forte. People like to see the evidence in real time, but I think it will remain hidden until the historians sift through the evidence at a later time.

I think you're naive about Pres. Clinton

And I think your narrative on Obama is telling in how you moderate this forum

Pres. Obama was ill prepared to take the job - his time in the Senate was minimal and uneventful - he basically was in the right place at the right time - Bush fatigue - Hillary done in by her perceived hawkishness at a time when the base wanted NEW

He is NOT an effective manager - he has ceded important goings on to others - on Obamacare, on the stimulus

the devil is in the details and those details are a primary reason IMO for his failure or rather lack of true support

he is truly blessed in that he ran in 2008 - great timing

and now in 2012 he's facing a less than sterling opponent

frankly if the repubs had a decent candidate - he's kick ass in November - make the case about our current failures - smile for the camera - be rich but not uber rich - no offshore accounts, etc.

and u know

 

[Jack Springer]

Another post securing your lack of credibility here.

Really? You don't think people do that? I'm sure it's not a strictly party thing though -- there are creeps on both sides.

Do the people in Ohio really need a month to vote? What's the reason?

 

[JayHawk]

Many states have a long window open to vote because everyone on earth doesn't live the mundane Missouri life you lead. And no you can not be on multiple voter rolls and please fell free to provide proof of that occurring. Tell me this Jack since your the board expert on voter fraud; what are the methods by which the voter rolls are updated? Does federal tax have anything to do with what is reported to a state level? How about surrendered license plates or Drivers license?

After you have done your homework let me know. Then tell me why the republican party has to invent things to be scared of?

 

[Spiff]

Do the people in Ohio really need a month to vote? What's the reason?

I can't speak for all Ohioans who vote absentee. But I never mail my ballot in until a few days before election day.

 

[Stardreamer]

Many states have a long window open to vote because everyone on earth doesn't live the mundane Missouri life you lead. And no you can not be on multiple voter rolls and please fell free to provide proof of that occurring. Tell me this Jack since your the board expert on voter fraud; what are the methods by which the voter rolls are updated? Does federal tax have anything to do with what is reported to a state level? How about surrendered license plates or Drivers license?

After you have done your homework let me know. Then tell me why the republican party has to invent things to be scared of?

I was getting notices from the Texas registrars for a couple of years after I switched my registration to Colorado. I actually had to write them and tell them I was no longer in the service and to please take me off the rolls. So yes it can happen.

 

[Jack Springer]

I was getting notices from the Texas registrars for a couple of years after I switched my registration to Colorado. I actually had to write them and tell them I was no longer in the service and to please take me off the rolls. So yes it can happen.

Thanks.

The situation is not that uncommon. We just have to be thankful that honest Americans don't abuse the system.

Both honest democrats and honest republicans.

 

[Jack Springer]

They've been doing that for years. It's not anything new. They just want to make voting as difficult as possible so only their republican voters can vote. They are very afraid of minorities...

I guess I could equally come back with -- why do democrats want to make the voting process so open to anyone -- no requirements of residency, no requirements of who people say they are when they vote.