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Baseball Winter 2007 Hot Stove League

I am thinking more and more like the Yankees really need Santana.
As of now, the ’'08 team won’t be any better than the ’07 team. In fact if Pettitte does not come back, the ’08 team won’t even be as good as the ’07 team.
In addition, the Yankees need to keep Santana away from Boston,
imagine the one two punch of Beckett behind Santana.
Clearly Santana in a Red Socks uniform would be bad for the boys in pinstripes.
Santana in Boston would be a great big:eek: to Yankee fans...key is,will they deal Jacoby Ellsbury in that deal or not.Yankees should be really aggressive at next week's meetings,and if it means goodbye to Phil Hughes and Melky Cabrera,and a couple of good prospects,so be it.

Mets probably better off going for someone like Dan Haren now,but after trading Lastings Milledge for tough defensive catcher Brian Schneider and a good offensive and strong defensive outfielder in Ryan Church today...do they have enough in their trading arsenal to somehow hold on to Carlos Gomez?
 
Oh boy, the Yankees really are worried about Boston getting Santana.
Yesterday the Yankees said they would include Phil Hughes in a possible package with Melky Cabrera.

This is gettin sooooooooo good.
 
The Cardinals signed Cesar Izturis yesterday.

There was some talk about the Cardinals trading Scott Rolen to the Brewers but it appears that the two teams haven't talked in a couple of weeks.
 
Oh boy, the Yankees really are worried about Boston getting Santana.
Yesterday the Yankees said they would include Phil Hughes in a possible package with Melky Cabrera.

This is gettin sooooooooo good.
Didn 't think it would go any other way...but God as my witness Yanks must make ANYONE available rather than risk seeing Santana ever wind up in Boston!!!We would be balanced pitching wise with Santana...they'd have a prohibitive edge with Santana and Beckett.Read Torii Hunter said Santana would go to Boston,but really prefers Yanks.Let's hope the Yanks accomodate him and Minnesota to make that possible,shall we?!!:gogirl:
 
The Red Sox are only in the Santana hunt to make the Yankees over-pay for him. He wants way too much money to justify giving up the kind of talent the Twins want. The Yankees will get him though because they're desperate for another ace and have money to burn.
 
Looks like the Yankees have said they will stop negotiating with the Twins regarding a trade for Johann Santana if they don't have a deal by tomorrow evening...they will not be used to drive up the package they would have to give the Twins vs.the Red Sox.They are adamant the only major leaguers that will be traded are Phil Hughes and Melky Cabrera and second tier prospects,not Ian Kennedy or their best remasining prospects like pitcher Alan Horne or outfielder Austin Jackson or Jose Tabata...though to keep Kennedy,they may be flexible.

Boston will apparently offer Jacoby Ellsbury and a couple strong prospects like shortstop Jed Lowrie,but not include either Clay Buckholz or Jon Lester(or Lester and the prospects,but not options if Minnesota gets too greedy.They do not want to give up two of their best pitching prospects when they need the infusion of young talent to compliment their aging staff,and don't know if Andy Pettitte wants to return or retire.I hope they stick to their guns,though I would hate Boston getting Santana(though I did previously say I thought the Yankees should not deem anyone untradable,it was more a reflexive loathing of anything Red Sox)
 
Wow!What a trade for Detroit getting Miguel Cabrera AND Dontrelle Willis.Have no idea how happy Cabrera will be playing there,he is a free agent in two years.But for now they have really helped themselves in the AL Central against Cleveland.

It looks bad for the Yankees,good for Boston in the Johann Santana sweepstakes.Minnesota wants four players,Yankees only offering three.Some good minor leaguers plus either Jacoby Ellsbury(just signed with Scott Boras to represent him)!:eek:or Jon Lester.Tell you,they are going to be TOUGH next year,with Beckett,Santana,Dice-K,Schilling and top prospect Clay Buckholz(already with a no-hitter under his belt)....AND for years to come if the trade is finalized.

The Yanks have to acquire a high level young veteran to compete long-term with Boston.....Wang may never reach ace status and Mussina and Petitte are done after next year here.The kids that remain may be good,but unproven and untested for a season long run.But for the foreseeable future if Boston lands Santana the Yanks will have their work cut out being considered anything more than runner up to Boston in league regular season standings.If they get to the World Series,they will have to fight to the end to get there,no longer just rely on their history and ability to spend $200,000,000 a season on their roster.Anybody seen Aura and Mystique lately?!!!
 
Just as I feared the Winter Meetings(Other than the ballsy trade Detroit made with Florida)has grinded to a halt until there is movement by Minnesota on the Johann Santana issue.Keeping him into next year will only lower his value as he may reject any trade to test free agency once it gets that far,so the time for Minnesota to deal is now or very soon.Take the best offer even if it's Boston's:cry:and be done with it....this happens every winter meetings that some player or free agent is so holding up everything until some kind of resolution that it becomes a distraction and stops most everything dead in its tracks!

Thanks Detroit and Florida for getting that unbelievable Cabrera-Willis trade done...I can't believe how good Detroit looks in the AL Central next year,though I don't know if they can keep Cabrera from free agency after 2009.
 
I gotta tell ya I was surprised how well the Tigers did in that deal.
I am happy for those two guys, who really traded up. The Marlins are messed up, they don't even have a good game plan for a new stadium, and will soon be homeless. ;)
I am wondering if the Mets will make a deal with the Tigers to get Willis, and Pudge Rodriguez. Like I said before, I am not so sure we will ever see Estrada in a Mets uniform.
I was not surprised the Marlins did not trade Willis to the Mets, after all, the Marlins were not about to trade him to a NL East team, especially the Mets.
I just wonder how he will do in the AL with the DH.
The Santana thing is turning into quite a circus, yesterday Omar said the Mets are still in it. Please, he has no chips and 0 chance at this point. The Yankees seen to have cooled on the deal, or at least talks have stopped. Maybe cause they got Pettitt back, who knows. I mean they made up a very good package with Cabrera and Hughes, I think the Twins wanted Kennedy to be added to the deal.
I have not counted out Santana in pinstipes but I have a feeling he is either going to boston OR the Twins are going to keep him. I do know, the Yanks can not afford to let Boston have him.
I don't know what Omar is up to, I know these last few days are just about circling the wagons with the big trades due to happen today and finalized next week, but Omar, come on,
DO SOMETHING!

Meantime Tony La Russa said he opposes any thoughts of trading Rolen, but very few of his other comments seemed to reconcile with that stance. La Russa repeatedly emphasized that he believes it is Rolen who must bend in the ongoing cold war between them. Grow up boys, come on, make nice!
 
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Except for Detroit boldly giving up several top prospects to the Florida Marlins for Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis,what a letdown of a week at the Baseball Winter meetings.A few minor deals aside,no one else took a risk and did business....just haggle and get the lay of the land.It's possible,probably likely deals will be made during this month ....but waiting on Santana proved insufferably annoying as it caused the Winter Meetings to come to a halt until decisions could be made.

Mets of course found out that at first offering their prospects didn't wow most of MLB.They really need to find a way to deepen their major and minor league talent pool....it's nice rthey have another first round pick plus a sandwich pick as compensation for losing Tom Glavine to Atlanta.Get quick developing college players to help potentially fill needs within only a year or two.
 
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Yeah, pretty disappointing

Now, as the winter meetings are wrapping up here, that's what we have had. Nothing much. There was one blockbuster trade, some lesser moves, a couple of free-agent signings and a whole lot of talk. Of course, the end of the winter meetings is not a deadline, and deals that did not happen this week could well go down next week. These guys do have telephones. Still, more was expected. In the end, here's what we learned about:

1. Pitching. Everybody wants it, and they want it badly. But they sure don't want to overpay for it. We entered the winter meetings with three stud pitchers being discussed, Minnesota's Johan Santana, Oakland's Dan Haren and Baltimore's Erik Bedard, and the possibility that all three would be moved. None was, because their teams were simply asking too much.
The Santana saga has been much chronicled, even with a bidding competition between the Red Sox and Yankees, the Twins could not create a package they deemed worthy of moving Santana. But the same applies to Haren. The A's were asking nearly as much for Haren as the Twins were for Santana, in part because he does not require the $150 million contract extension that Santana will demand.
In Baltimore's case, teams seeking Bedard would also have to take on one of the team's albatross contracts, especially that of Melvin Mora. No one wants to do that.

2. Dave Dombrowski. The guy has guts. The deal that landed Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis has been portrayed as a no-brainer, but that overlooks the risks the Tigers are taking.
As good as Cabrera is, questions about his weight, his ability to play third and his approach to the game have dogged him. He's a huge bat, of course, and if he stays healthy and gets himself in shape, then he's going to be a star in Detroit for a long, long time. But those are not guarantees.
Willis was 10-15 last season, with a 5.17 ERA and a career-high 87 walks. At times, he did not look healthy. Chances are, he will regroup and pitch like his old self again. But what if he doesn't? What if Cabrera's conditioning issues lead to an injury? The team gave up six prospects, including its top two.
Dombrowski believes he has a championship window in Detroit now and he acted accordingly. But don't make the mistake of assuming he did not take a risk here.

3. The Dodgers. Clearly, GM Ned Colletti doesn't love the team's prospects as much as some in (and outside) the organization. But, at the same time, the Dodgers want to keep their payroll under control and keeping their prospects rather than dealing them for immediate help seems to be the plan.
So, rather than giving Torii Hunter $90 million, rather than emptying the farm system for Cabrera or Santana, the Dodgers got Andruw Jones on a reasonable two-year contract, ensuring that Joe Torre is not the team's only major offseason acquisition. That will free up Colletti to deal one of the team's young outfielders, Andre Ethier or, more likely, Matt Kemp, for pitching help.

4. The little guys. Some of the lesser moves made in the past couple of days are easy to overlook. But two teams who helped themselves are the Nationals and the Rays. Washington took on some risky personalities in landing Lastings Milledge and Elijah Dukes, but both guys have unquestioned talent. Milledge is 23he can hit and is a very good athlete, but alienated teammates with his attitude. Nationals manager Manny Acta has a relationship with Milledge from his days on the Mets coaching staff, and is confident a change of scenery can get Milledge turned around. Dukes might be a bigger risk, but again, the Nationals think he can be straightened out.
Dukes' former team in Tampa got itself a quality young starter, Matt Garza, in a deal with the Twins, and solidified their defense with Jason Bartlett at shortstop. They also added closer Troy Percival, a veteran who should provide stability, professionalism and, hopefully, saves to the team's relief unit.

5. The Mitchell Report. Well, we learned nothing on this front, except that it should come out in the next 10 days or so.
 
Very good analysis,sonny.Especially your take on the small moves which could pay off like the acquisition of Lastings Milledge by the Nationals.Dombrowski made a calculated gamble with Cabrera and Willis,as you explained the downside potential very well.But you can't get to the World Series without making a bold move or two.It was not a no brainer,but winners take decisive risks and are usually proven right.Even then,sure Cabrera and Willis may not have the positive impact they are expected to provide.

I'm hearing that Mets are still trying hard,giving every effort to make a match with Minnesota on Santana,knowing they may have to surrender almost all their remaining tradeable chips to get him.But the Yankees refusal to significantly deepen their offer beyond Phil Hughes, Melky Cabrera and a pretty good minor league prospect...and Boston's refusal of including both Jacoby Ellsbury and Jon Lester in the same trade(rather than they being the centerpieces,along with top prospects,in separate proposals)may give the Mets an opening as the best collection available,rather than the best overall talent available.Hopefully there will be a resolution,whatever way it goes,soon.

The Mitchell Report will certainly be interesting,if an unpleasant reminder to MLB,of a time when EVERYONE'S head was in the sand regarding the period in baseball that will be known for a number of players getting incredible results through chemistry.It may well be the Christmas present baseball deserves for its complicity at all levels as the dollars rolled in.
 
That Mitchell report may be troubling but certainly now is the time to set things, you should pardon the word, straight.
The Royals new free-agent acquisition, Jose Guillen received a 15-day suspension at the start of next season for violating Major League Baseball’s Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program. Supposedly he purchased about $ 20,000 in steroids and human growth hormone.
Baltimore outfielder Jay Gibbons also received a 15-day suspension. I like the fact that these guys are getting caught. This crap must stop!
Hopefully this report will help clean up the great game of baseball, that, and putting Bonds in jail.

What do you think is going on with Hideki Matsui, could he rally be headed for SF?. I thought he had a no trade clause. But I’ll tell you if he thought the Yankees were trying to peddle him off I think he would go all bonsai on their ass and leave for the Giants out of anger. I mean he would prolly be seriously pissed. Remember, he did not come to this country to just play baseball, but to play with the Yankees. Of course the Giants need offense and may have pitching to spare. The Yankees would maybe prefer trading Matsui over say Damon, and would rather keep Cabrera, I think a lot of teams would be interested in Damon and even more in Cabrera. So will Matsui,Cabrera and Damon, be in pinstripes next year? The Yankees need bullpen help, are they talking to Luis Vizcaino, Ron Mahay, or Jeremy Affeldt? Maybe Trever Miller.. I think they may also be making progress in getting LaTroy Hawkins.

I also hear my boy Paul Lo Duca: has the Blue Jays hot for him. His agent is trying to stimulate the market for him. He is not going that fast, we have to see what is value to other teams is first.

Oh, and the Mets and Sanatana? I don't see how.
 
Detroit Tigers is my home team. Much of the information can be found not only at MLB.com but also Detroit Free Press and The Detroit News. Part of the credit goes to owner Mike Ilitch, who asked general manager Dave Dombrowski about the possibility of getting Florida Marlins' Miguel Cabrera. At the Winter Meetings, Dombrowski contacted Ilitch about an offer, and Ilitch gave his approval.

The deal has Detroit excited; but they also are keeping in mind that pitching wins out more often than hitting. So we'll see if enough of the starters have a 2008 season that rebounds from the erratic 2007.

This also means that the Gold Glove-caliber third baseman Brandon Inge is more likely than not to start for another organization in 2008. Inge was displaced in the Cabrera/Dontrelle Willis trade. He's paid $19 million over the next three years, and that's too much for a utility player -- and Inge told Dombrowski he'd like to retain playing his position with another club. Inge is on the market.
 
That's a hell-of-a-team you have there in Detroit.
I only follow a couple of AL teams and the Tigers are one of em.
Especially in '06 when I thought my Mets were gonna play them in the '06 WS. but we both know how that turned out](*,)
The Tigers were about the only team to make any decent trades this year at the winter meetings, getting Cabrera and Willis from the Marlins.
I wonder though about the big loss of six prospects.

I think the Giants are done with Bonds and if he's not in jail, do you want him next year? I have been hearing there is some interest, although Leyland says no.

So, when the Mets win the pennant next year ;) perhaps we will face you guys in the 2008 WS. Although I always hope for a Mets/Yankees subway series. ..|:D
 
That's a hell-of-a-team you have there in Detroit.
I only follow a couple of AL teams and the Tigers are one of em.
Especially in '06 when I thought my Mets were gonna play them in the '06 WS. but we both know how that turned out](*,)
The Tigers were about the only team to make any decent trades this year at the winter meetings, getting Cabrera and Willis from the Marlins.
I wonder though about the big loss of six prospects.

I think the Giants are done with Bonds and if he's not in jail, do you want him next year? I have been hearing there is some interest, although Leyland says no.

So, when the Mets win the pennant next year ;) perhaps we will face you guys in the 2008 WS. Although I always hope for a Mets/Yankees subway series. ..|:D

Tigers have Gary Sheffield as its DH. Barry Bonds has been rumored as an ideal fit for Oakland Athletics. With his latest legal troubles, it's questionable whether Bonds returns to play in 2008 MLB.

I, too, was hoping for a New York Mets-vs.-Detroit Tigers 2006 World Series. And then St. Louis Cardinals surprised. Come to think of it, though, since Tigers won the AL pennant after sweeping A's, and Cards and Mets went to final and decisive Game 7 in NL Championship Series, it's not surprising Cards won the pennant. Reason: In the Tigers' 10 World Series appearances, they've played two teams a combined seven times (Cards, 4; Chicago Cubs, whose last victory in 1908 and last appearance that was a loss in 1945, was against the Tigs, 3). Tigers keeping getting matched up with same opponents, it seems. If it's not for Cards or Cubs, a return to the Fall Classic in 2008 might mean for the Tigers to see a rematch with of its other three previous opponents: Pittsburgh Pirates, Cincinnati Reds, or San Diego Padres.

I'm not betting on any of that.
 
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