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Basic Speed Law

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Does your State/Province/Country have a Basic Speed Law?

The weather was really bad in Colorado today and there were a number of Spectacular wrecks; at least one 30-car pileup in Colorado Springs. Colorado doesn't have a Basic Speed Law so nobody got a ticket.

Michigan (where I'm still technically a Resident) does. Short version is if you get into a Wreck when the weather is bad, it means you were driving to damned fast and depending on the jurisdiction you are in, you probably will get a ticket ($200 in my home county, it varies).

I think just the idea that you MIGHT get a ticket it makes everyone slow down. Thoughts?

And a link to the actual law:
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/enforce/speedlaws501/toc/mispeed.pdf
 
Where I live anyone that has an accident, during adverse weather conditions, can be charged with driving too fast for conditions.

I think it is common sense more than any other factor that would get people to slow down during bad weather. It might be noted though that common sense is not all that common.
 
cklover said:
Where I live anyone that has an accident, during adverse weather conditions, can be charged with driving too fast for conditions.

I think it is common sense more than any other factor that would get people to slow down during bad weather. It might be noted though that common sense is not all that common.
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cklover do you and I live in the same province?

Here in AB the posted speed may be 100 km/h but if the roads are slippery you could actually be charged for driving slower - too fast for conditions. It's a fair law
 
in NY it's if there is no posted speed limit then it's 55mph, weather permitting. If you wreck in inclement weather then you get a ticket for unreasonable speed for conditions.
 
Is that REALLY true about Colorado???

I would have thought that one would have been cited for "too fast for conditions"...

Otherwise -- how do they determine who is AT FAULT liability wise...

When it comes to driving a truck -- Colorado is a TOUGH state "law wise" and different than many others though...

I am curious about how the insurance thing works though...

:):):)
 
I'm pretty sure Wisconsin does... My brother has received a "driving too fast for conditions" citation, but it was a sunny day, but there was sand on the road. Or something. Idk.
 
^^ It was actually in the city of Colorado Springs, near downtown. The ground is very warm and there has been freezing drizzle falling all day, and it turns to black ice when it hits the roads.
 
A 30-car pileup sounds like fog to me. They have those in California all the time. You're driving along, no problem, suddenly you hit dense fog and can't see 2 feet in front of your car. Hard to say who's to blame.
 
State of Florida Basic Speed Statute:

"No person shall drive a vehicle at a speed greater than is reaonable and prudent under the conditions and having regard to the actual and potential hazards than existing" 316.183 (1) and (4) The MINIMUM speed on an interstate highway consisting of 4 or more lanes is 40mph. (Note: You can get a ticket for driving under 40) The Maximum speed shall be 70 mph. All other locations, the Maximum speed is 55mph unless otherwise posted. The State cannot establish a speed greater than 70mph. Local jurisdictions cannot establish a speed greater than 60mph.

Source: State of Florida Speed Statutes 2009
 
^^ I went past a 60-car pileup in the mid 80s near Longmont (north of Denver) caused by dust. It was horrible. There was a van that got squashed between two semis that was crushed down to about six feet long. Apparently the van rearended the first semi, then the second semi rearended the van at full speed. The driver in the van died instantly. I had nightmares about that for weeks.

The pileup today was caused by black ice on bridges combined with wet roads on solid ground. You see, the ground is very warm because it's been in the 70s ... until today, with temps in the upper teens ... and when precip falls on the ground, it stays melted, but freezes on bridges. So, cars are going along at proper speeds for wet roads (60 mph or so) then suddenly hit the black ice at 60 mph, and it's all over.
 
hotdog1846 said:
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The pileup today was caused by black ice on bridges combined with wet roads on solid ground. You see, the ground is very warm because it's been in the 70s ... until today, with temps in the upper teens ... and when precip falls on the ground, it stays melted, but freezes on bridges. So, cars are going along at proper speeds for wet roads (60 mph or so) then suddenly hit the black ice at 60 mph, and it's all over.
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Florida's answer to "black ice" is called "Florida ice". During the dry season, the roads get covered with road sludge from all the cars and trucks. When the rainy season starts and the torrential rains come, the roads can literally become like ice with the mixture of all the road sludge and water. Lot's of "fender benders" during the rainy season.
 
Orlandude said:
Florida's answer to "black ice" is called "Florida ice". During the dry season, the roads get covered with road sludge from all the cars and trucks. When the rainy season starts and the torrential rains come, the roads can literally become like ice with the mixture of all the road sludge and water. Lot's of "fender benders" during the rainy season.
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I've heard about that -- the roads get covered with a film of oil and dirt during the dry season, then when it rains, the oily dirt turns the road surface to slickery greasy slime until it gets washed off. Yikes!
 
swerve said:
Is that REALLY true about Colorado???

I would have thought that one would have been cited for "too fast for conditions"...

I am curious about how the insurance thing works though...

:):):)
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I actually just looked it up. There is a 'Basic Speed Rule' but not a law. You can get a ticket for either Careless or Reckless Driving but in my experience, in bad weather, it is rare.

You can, however, get a ticket for Racing on a Street.

And the statewide speed limit for Garbage Hauling Trucks is 45 MPH. #-o

What are you curious about the insurance thing?
 
I never heard of it im sure new jersey has one we are the police state
 
I've never heard of anybody getting a ticket for being in a pileup. That seems like adding insult to injury.

And though I know that we are advised to drive ten miles below the speed limit on the freeway and five below on the streets during rain or fog, I'm not aware of that actually being a law in California. Maybe it is...there are so many laws and one can't pay attention to them all. ;)

Maybe twenty percent of the people on any given road will be obeying the speed limit because it's the law; for the rest of us, the speed limit is just the speed you slow down to when you spot a cop; if the CHP was out in unmarked cars, however, I bet there'd be a major slowdown. Though I'm not an aggressive driver, I only drive the speed limit when Grandmother is in the car (she nags, otherwise); the rest of the time, I'm just keeping up with the majority of traffic when I go 75 on the freeway, 35 on the streets.
 
Swellegant said:
I've never heard of anybody getting a ticket for being in a pileup. That seems like adding insult to injury.

And though I know that we are advised to drive ten miles below the speed limit on the freeway and five below on the streets during rain or fog, I'm not aware of that actually being a law in California. Maybe it is...there are so many laws and one can't pay attention to them all. ;)

Maybe twenty percent of the people on any given road will be obeying the speed limit because it's the law; for the rest of us, the speed limit is just the speed you slow down to when you spot a cop; if the CHP was out in unmarked cars, however, I bet there'd be a major slowdown. Though I'm not an aggressive driver, I only drive the speed limit when Grandmother is in the car (she nags, otherwise); the rest of the time, I'm just keeping up with the majority of traffic when I go 75 on the freeway, 35 on the streets.
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California has a lot more limitations on speed laws than other states, I guess because too many state senators were getting tickets. :badgrin: Radar, for example, is very limited in where it can be used.
 
swerve said:
Well -- if the cops can't cite one of the two parties - how is it determined who's insurance pays???

:confused::confused::confused:
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**wars**

Really.

The insurance companies fight. It is helpful if you get hit by a customer of the same company you buy your insurance from.

My next door neighbor works for State Farm. Ever since Colorado dumped no-fault she says it is a disaster.
 
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