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Because one day I could be him.

you are SO right jasun. it could be all of us. you were very kind and humane. and i know the old guy knew this. thank you for making all of us look and feel better for your extension of friendship to another person.
QUE DIOS TE BENDIGA - god bless you
ding
 
You did a really nice thing Jasun, I knew there was a reason
why I love you.
shea (*8*)
 
Yeah, Jasun...you have a reputation to maintain. I heard someone calling you a softie earlier in the thread...you don't really wanna be known like that, do you? :O
 
Nursing homes are full of people who have children but will still grow old and die alone. Having children is no guarantee that they will care for you when you are at your most vulnerable. Married people also find themselves widowed, sometimes for the last decades of their lives.

We cannot live in the future, so we must just live our lives unselfishly in the here and now, giving,loving, caring where we can.
 
This lovefest needs a cold shower. Isn't it quite possible that humble Russian jew was richer than all of us combined? Maybe it was Aaron Spelling and Candy only faked his death. I find the lack of cynicysm disturbing.
 
PabloZed said:
This lovefest needs a cold shower. Isn't it quite possible that humble Russian jew was richer than all of us combined? Maybe it was Aaron Spelling and Candy only faked his death. I find the lack of cynicysm disturbing.
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Why would that matter? :confused:
 
I completely agree with that sentiment. I too have wondered what will happen to me when I get old (which is one reason I am trying to eat right and exercise and). I am trying to live well into my 90's because I want to see a world much better than this one.
 
I have to say, Jasun, that this doesn't change my opinion of you at all. It strengthens my impression that you are a thoughtful and compassionate person with a good heart.

(The fact that I am currently an old man who walks with a cane has nothing to do with it, I swear!)
 
PabloZed said:
I completely agree with that sentiment. I too have wondered what will happen to me when I get old (which is one reason I am trying to eat right and exercise and). I am trying to live well into my 90's because I want to see a world much better than this one.
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None of my grandparents lived to be 80, and my dad just died at the age of 74. If I die at my dad's age, I have about 25 more years to live. I have no intention of ever retiring, and I would have to be terribly optimistic to think I'll live to be 90.

That said, young people never want to think about what it will be like to be old. This is the problem with the nuclear family; by excluding the grandparents, we've now raised three generations of people who grew up with no elderly around, and who fundamentally fear what they represent.
 
That's a Psychology 101 classic. Do we help out-of-luck because we fear becoming that person? And we want cosmic points to draw from in case it does?

I've given random folks rides before. Even in the company truck, which I wasn't supposed to do. But I don't know if I did it because I feared becoming them. I'd like to think I did it because my parents raised the gargoyle right.

Lex
 
G-Lexington said:
That's a Psychology 101 classic. Do we help out-of-luck because we fear becoming that person? And we want cosmic points to draw from in case it does?

I've given random folks rides before. Even in the company truck, which I wasn't supposed to do. But I don't know if I did it because I feared becoming them. I'd like to think I did it because my parents raised the gargoyle right.

Lex
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You're right, of course. Jasun underestimates himself (and possibly overanalyzes himself) here. "Because you're a good person" isn't an analysis, and sometimes we feel compelled to analyze when we should just let it be.

However...identification is the root of compassion. It becomes a generalized habit in mature people, but that's where it begins.
 
Jasun ...

This ALL just goes to prove what I've know for quite a while, now. Your HEART is far Bigger than your "Bad Boy"/"Tough Love" exterior! (group)

"DUDE!" You ROCK!!! (!w!)

As for getting Old?? Well ... I'm quickly approaching that! (In spite of thinking that I never would!) #-o

And conveying THAT, to our younger members, can be so Frustrating!! ](*,)

YOU have a long way to go before You "get there"! But ... you seem to have an understanding of what it might be like. ..|

As for Me? Well ... I'm hoping that I die before my parents do! And, if that's not to be the case ... at least "My" Kev is 7 yr. younger than I am! Still ... no guarantee that my future will not hold what I've witnessed of so many other of our fellow beings! :help:

Let's just say, though I've never met You, that I'm hoping that, some day, I just might! I'd like a chance to just sit down, have some good food, maybe a few drinks, and a good, honest, chat!

Keep smilin'!! :kiss:(*8*)
Chaz ;-)
 
In answer to the comment someone left me on my first post in this thread, I don't think Jasun's action has anything to do with narcissism: at all. It simply reflects the way people usually seem to BEGIN to be conscious about the world and the people around them through mere empathy.
I say BEGIN because if there so-called "golden rule" (do on others as you want to be done on you) really were the ultimate rule for moral goodness, it would be like loving someone so far as he is wearing the mask of the one you really love or love more than him.
If you expect morality to come from "feelings" inside people, you are helpless against people who have not those feelings, who haven't had them foced upon them by education and whosimpl are not interested in anything beyond themselves.
The "goodness" is something derived from your will to act upon the world, in the sme natural way you choose your way of life, your profession, your partner, friends... like you don't need to justify that you are gay you don't need to justify your decision to help someone, not even by saying that you "can do it" because you can always choose not to do it.
Of course you can always reflect on the reasons "why you do this or that or not", but they can't give any real further value: it would be like justifying a justification. Good deeds and crimes are a reason in themselves, but that doesn't mean they should "force" you to set them as examples but, like I said, on the contrary, you should act without any phony justifications, because that's the way you end up justifying crimes "for the good of the majority".

So maybe Jasun's action was performed under the same superstitious way that others pray or sacrifice to the gods, believing that certain agents receive certain rewards or punishment for their actions; and maybe my "reason" to help someone goes along my general yearning for meddling all aroud me to keep it "in order". In any case, I think that relating it to "goodness" is in fact more "base" than "goodness" can account for.


Yeah, I know you are not going to get the idea, but I damn felt like writing it.
 
Nice to know you'll keep trying to educate the uneducateable. Sounds like you deserve a gold star, too.

Lex
 
belamy said:
Yeah, I know you are not going to get the idea, but I damn felt like writing it.
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Carlos ...

THAT has got to be the longest post you've ever written!! :wow:

Though I think I "get it", you seem to be underestimating the "Goodness" that is, generally, at the Heart of being, merely, Human!

ALL of Us have our own projections of what we "represent" to the World! But ... when "Push" comes to "Shove" ... we're ALL just "Softies" at our core! (Yeah! YOU, too!) (group)

Not (totally) disagreeing ... just saying ...

Keep smilin'!! :kiss:(*8*)
Chaz ;)

(What is sinicism other than a "badge"???)
 
Kyanimal said:
Carlos ...

THAT has got to be the longest post you've ever written!! :wow:
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I suspect everything I post longer than two lines is always "my longer post" because it reads as long as a whole book... chapter.
 
Jasun said:
I was pulling out of the parking lot at the Pleasure Chest today and while I was waiting for a space to pull into traffic, there was a quiet knock on my window.

. . . .

I know that as a gay man... that could very well eventually be me in 40 years. No children, no support system, no family to look after me. Being reduced to asking someone I don't know for a ride because I just can't bring myself to walk another half a mile. And let's face it... he's a Russian Jewish man. I look like a Nazi skin head to many men his age. I'm sure I'm the last one he wanted to ask for help.

It was on my way. It didn't take me any more time than the couple minutes it took to allow him to get into and back out of the car.

But it made me feel both good and very sad.

Because one day I could be him.
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Jasun, Inspite of some indications at times, I have always thought of you as a kindly man. This act of kindness resonnated very well with me. I am not a lot younger than he is. So I salute you. And yes, one day it could be you!

And I have wanted you to give me a ride on your motorcycle across northern Straya one day, so I am a little more hopeful that you might just give me the opportunity. I am the kind of man who would reward you well.

Shep+..|..|..|
 
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