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Being gay is a choice

It isn't redundant to people who don't bother to see the difference. If someone tells you "being gay is a choice", well I just don't think they're looking beyond the act of sex as a choice compared to anything else we choose to do, as just pointed out. This is why Fireballs's comment is relevant. We're gay regardless of choosing to have sex. It involves more than just the act of sex. This is what proponents of "gay is a choice" fail to consider. It is indeed a ridiculous thing to have to explain to them, but unfortunately necessary.
 
Fireballs said:
Well, it's not a ridiculous argument for the people that don't care to be a homo.
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I've been around the block a few times and, while I'm sure they are out there, I've never met one. Since you are straight, and for the life of me can't understand why you are here, not that you shouldn't be here, I'm glad you are, but why you would want to be here, I can see that these are the types of gay men you would meet. Self-loathing, oh poor me I'm gay types. I know they exsist, I guess I just never put myself in situations where I would meet any, thank God. I feel sorry for them but believe there is a much more significant reason for this self hating attitude than just being a homo. There are probably much deeper reasons for not loving oneself than just being gay. Just my opinion.
 
ibill1 said:
I've been around the block a few times and, while I'm sure they are out there, I've never met one. Since you are straight, and for the life of me can't understand why you are here, not that you shouldn't be here, I'm glad you are, but why you would want to be here, I can see that these are the types of gay men you would meet. Self-loathing, oh poor me I'm gay types. I know they exsist, I guess I just never put myself in situations where I would meet any, thank God. I feel sorry for them but believe there is a much more significant reason for this self hating attitude than just being a homo. There are probably much deeper reasons for not loving oneself than just being gay. Just my opinion.
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Exactly, it's just your opinion. I'm sure everyone's situation is different. Just seems like anymore anybody think they can do and be whatever the hell they want without repercussions.

And yeah you're right, I have no idea why I'm here either. I must have really let boredom get the best of me these days.
 
Fireballs said:
Exactly, it's just your opinion. I'm sure everyone's situation is different. Just seems like anymore anybody think they can do and be whatever the hell they want without repercussions.

And yeah you're right, I have no idea why I'm here either. I must have really let boredom get the best of me these days.
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Like I said, I'm glad you are here, for whatever reason. Most of my closest friends the last 30 yrs. are straight guys, I just get along better with them. I have so much more in common. Your insights are welcomed. I may not agree with them, as I think I refered to some of your comments earliar as bullshit, but I sling enough of my own bullshit, we all do. No one is going to agree with all our shit anyway.
 
I'm half-tempted to close this thread, since it has gotten so far away from my original post. However at the same time, I think I'll keep going a little while longer since a majority of you have brought a lot of good arguments to the table.
 
Fireballs said:
Well, it's not a ridiculous argument for the people that don't care to be a homo.
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Funny how a professed "straight guy" is on this site at all let alone in the Coming Out, Relationships & Bisex Talk sub category....First you're not fooling anyone closet boy I can look at you and tell you have that itch, that longing to suck cock...deny it all you want but it's there I can see it....Second how cliche of you to start throwing around words like homo or fag.....the mark of a true closet boy....clinging to those put downs to distance yourself from you're own desire while desperately trying to convince us and yourself of your own heterosexuality....I do pity you and one day I hope you can accept yourself for who you are....Maybe then you will realize how pathetic and inane your comments in this thread truly are.
 
BoiOnFire said:
Funny how a professed "straight guy" is on this site at all let alone in the Coming Out, Relationships & Bisex Talk sub category....First you're not fooling anyone closet boy I can look at you and tell you have that itch, that longing to suck cock...deny it all you want but it's there I can see it....Second how cliche of you to start throwing around words like homo or fag.....the mark of a true closet boy....clinging to those put downs to distance yourself from you're own desire while desperately trying to convince us and yourself of your own heterosexuality....I do pity you and one day I hope you can accept yourself for who you are....Maybe then you will realize how pathetic and inane your comments in this thread truly are.
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Haha, if you say so. Don't really care one way or the other what you believe.
 
Fireballs said:
False. You have no proof of this.
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Dayum, you're getting defensive. I didn't insinuate anything, other than the fact that you know why you came here.

But "boredom" is not a reason. Boredom is a state where we have nothing to do. So when we have nothing to do, we think of things to do. Obviously at some point when you were thinking of things to do, you decided to join a message board on a gay porn site because...why?
 
I was only being defensive because I knew you guys were trying to get under my skin by implying that I'm really gay or something along those lines.

And as for coming on here, I don't know. I don't really have an answer, and I doubt it'd make you guys satisfied whatever I said anyways.
 
I wasn't implying that you were gay. That would be the most obvious reason for someone to come here. But there have been straight people that have come on here to show themselves off to get compliments from gay guys, doesn't mean they are gay. Perhaps a straight person that has a gay family member or friend would come here for advice or perspective, or someone that has a political interest in gay rights...or a troll. Believe it or not, there's plenty of reasons for a straight person to come here. But you seem reluctant to sharing that reason.
 
Well, perhaps I have a reason. However, my pride won't allow me to say it in such a public place.
 
Fireballs said:
Well, perhaps I have a reason. However, my pride won't allow me to say it in such a public place.
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You know if you came here for advice or to understand then why don't you say so? GLBT people in general are pretty accepting and open, if you're worried you will get flamed for it don't be.
 
Justlove856 said:
What you said is 100% true...Just cuz u like guys doesn't mean u HAVE to act on it...just cuz u like girls doesn't mean you HAVE to act on it either...its called self control which a lot of gay men...and men in general just don't have.
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I don't think that it is just men. More or less society in general. Look at advertising a lot of it is really, really sexual or sex-implied. You are right about acting on feelings though. If you are comfortable enough to share your self with another person (read whatever you like about that), then that is fantastic.

I'm personally not comfortable with myself and other people right now to date yet.
 
OmgEE you guys are such homos.

*Immediately goes to the videos section and bats off to men having sex with each other, feels disgusted by said act, returns to this thread and insults homosexuality to alleviate guilt and reaffirm own heterosexuality*

In all seriousness though, people wont judge you if you're honest as to why you're here.
 
Fireballs said:
Uhh, I don't think heterosexuals feel threatened by homosexuality. Perhaps some do, but I know I don't. It's just not for me. And to say you pity me? LOL! :rotflmao:
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if the opposite sex were to disappear,my sexuality would stay the same.Nothing would change,yours would. A homosexual male doesn't have to be heterosexual for one reason ,we don't like lesbianism and we are not submissive ,nor passive ,nor receptive to female body parts.
yes i feel pity for you.i wouldn't want to feel pleasure with body parts that are not found inside or outside my own body (i call them ghost sexual organs) and that on top of that, the opposite sex consider then to be nasty.if you feel that a woman body is much better than a male one, think twice; and start valuing your own kind more than the other one.yes it is like that, a matter of preferring my own sex vs having to deal with a totally strange one.
i don't have to repress my homosexuality because not only i believe that heterosexuality is just a corrupted condition of homosexuality,but also a very immoral and unethical one.Two homosexuals men enjoy what the other partner enjoy too,and one fells what the other partner also feels,this is a 100% natural and universal relationship.
a "couple" made of two people having sexual pleasure with organs that are totally dissimilar have very tough conditions for most homosexuals to bear.on the other hand,you have to enjoy what your partner finds so disgusting (their own freaking sexual kind!!!!) .would i ever want to be in such a condition? NO!!, coz it's crap!!!
you need to prove that heterosexuality is moral and ethical universally.you need to prove me that is is healthier to enjoy what the opposite sex reject, and believe that your own sex is nastier than the other one that you don't belong to.
yes i feel pity for you.!!! and no, do not think that i care what heterosexuals think much,i live very openly and since i know that homosexuality is more moral ,and healthier than "heterosexuality", i have peace of mind.
one more thing, do not even think that i'm gonna assume that masculinity is eating pussy and feeling tits.no, far from that,i think that swallowing female hormones is the very example of effeminacy.feel the other sex, be part of them,think about belonging to them,do all you want to do with them.Good for you.
 
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