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Benazir Bhutto Killed In Pakistan

civil war will not break out. Civil unrest will as is already the case. The Army will not allow it...
 
As for reports on Benazir Bhutto's corruption,there are few leaders in that region who are free of stain,and rivalries,feuds,and allegations are rampant.We in the West are far from immune from corruption though.Benazir Bhutto was no saint but not quite a sinner...an amazing,courageous and yes,flawed woman who was a symbol for a modern face of Islam and Pakistan..May she rest in peace,and may stability and progress not be lost for Pakistan.
 
She was exactly what Islamic whack jobs fear the most. She was an educated, outspoken women who had gain immense support via the power of the word. We can only hope the void is filled somehow with someone of the same moderate character, however unlikely that may be. One thing is for sure, whomever we support as an offical policy will probably be the wrong person. We need to let them sort it out and then support the chosen leader. We are already fighting a proxy war in Afghanistan against the pakistani militants.
 
Negasta said:
And so the shit hits the fan...

What are you willing to bet that there will be civil war in Pakistan before the end of next week?
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The cynic in me wonders which power will fund which side to further their own political gains in the country and its surrounding nations.
 
It is indeed. The Army placed the current govt in power and they will control the process. Their biggest asset is their biggest deficit at the same time. The nucs provide them with an intense power base but if that nuc arsenal was in jepardy then India would have them for lunch.
 
I don't understand why she did not have some security. The US persuaded her to go back to Pakistan and may have been financing her election, why did we not give her money for security? I understand Blackwater turned the job down, but there must have been local talent available. Where was Condi? Where was the CIA. This was an assassination just waiting to happen.
 
mazda3boi said:
It is indeed. The Army placed the current govt in power and they will control the process. Their biggest asset is their biggest deficit at the same time. The nucs provide them with an intense power base but if that nuc arsenal was in jepardy then India would have them for lunch.
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Then how do they stay together -- extremists, and all the rest? Is the power-hunger, or whatever, enough to overcome the massive differences?
 
rotary said:
She was a corrupt leader that embezzled millions of dollars from the government and was going to be tried for corruption before her exile. I read she faced jail in Europe as lawsuits against her weren't going well in Switzerland, so she returned to Pakistan in order to avoid serving time.

Her death is not a win for democracy, but she was hardly a hero, as some outlets are portraying her. She wouldn't have been a good leader for Pakistan.
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If believing that makes you feel better about her death, go for it. I, on the other hand, choose to mourn a woman, who, though she may not have been perfect, took a stand for human rights, tackling really scary elements in the 6 or so years among the two spans of time she was PM. And I dissent against those who attempt to smear her after her death. If she was really afraid of staying in Europe, I'm sure she would have been perfectly welcome to stay in the United States (corrupt 'criminals' have a history of doing well here). She had the courage to go back and face down the conscience-less cowards who clearly wanted her dead. The good news for you, I guess, is that she won't be able to "embezzle" any more money.
 
Homoaffectional said:
If believing that makes you feel better about her death, go for it. I, on the other hand, choose to mourn a woman, who, though she may not have been perfect, took a stand for human rights, tackling really scary elements in the 6 or so years among the two spans of time she was PM. And I dissent against those who attempt to smear her after her death. If she was really afraid of staying in Europe, I'm sure she would have been perfectly welcome to stay in the United States (corrupt 'criminals' have a history of doing well here). She had the courage to go back and face down the conscience-less cowards who clearly wanted her dead. The good news for you, I guess, is that she won't be able to "embezzle" any more money.
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In politics, only behavior counts. She stole millions from a poor country where it could have been used to save lives. She chose to stay in exile rather than face up to her actions. Musharraf pushed through a legal ruling where the charges in the court system would be dropped so she could come back, otherwise she would have been jailed as soon as she crossed the border, while at the same time was about to get busted for money laundering in Europe. How incredibly righteous of her. Worthy of respect?

She was hyped up by western media because of our faith in democracy, plain and simple.

If you want to mourn her death, be my guest. There are countless other individuals more deserving of such who haven't put themselves ahead of those they're supposed to help for personal gain. She wasn't the first brave, corrupt politician, and she won't be the last.
 
rotary said:
In politics, only behavior counts. She stole millions from a poor country where it could have been used to save lives. She chose to stay in exile rather than face up to her actions. Musharraf pushed through a legal ruling where the charges in the court system would be dropped so she could come back, otherwise she would have been jailed as soon as she crossed the border, while at the same time was about to get busted for money laundering in Europe. How incredibly righteous of her. Worthy of respect?

She was hyped up by western media because of our faith in democracy, plain and simple.

If you want to mourn her death, be my guest. There are countless other individuals more deserving of such who haven't put themselves ahead of those they're supposed to help for personal gain. She wasn't the first brave, corrupt politician, and she won't be the last.
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She was still a huge improvement over what was there before.
 
Kulindahr said:
She was still a huge improvement over what was there before.
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And probably wouldn't have been an improvement over what is there now.

Musharraf's rule might not be as democratic as we'd like, but he's not doing a bad job, and let's face it, democracy often doesn't work in unstable regions. So far it looks as though he genuinely wants what is best for Pakistan and doesn't appear to be corrupt.
 
rotary said:
doesn't appear to be corrupt.
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LOL! You are going on about how Bhutto is corrupt and Musharraf isn't?

And you have the audacity to drop platitudes like "only behavior counts"? LOL... yeah you just totally enhanced your credibility in those past few exchanges...
 
rotary said:
Musharraf's rule might not be as democratic as we'd like, but he's not doing a bad job, and let's face it, democracy often doesn't work in unstable regions. So far it looks as though he genuinely wants what is best for Pakistan and doesn't appear to be corrupt.
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I agree that Pakistan isn't really ready for democracy, but for the same reason Iraq isn't: not because of unrest, but because it's still essentially tribal.
They might get by with a "House of Chiefs", like Britain's old House of Lords, and some other house to represent those who don't really associate themselves with tribes any longer -- a Republic, with guaranteed rights, but not a full-blown democracy.

Not that I particularly have confidence in full-blown democracies; Washington and Jefferson warned us about them -- and more and more, those warnings are seen to be right. It's hard to point to the U.S. as an inspirational example of democracy, so why should we urge it on them?
 
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