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Biden to Bush "What the Fuck?"

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http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/04/bush.iran/?iref=mpstoryview

Biden actually said Bush and the Intel agencies are incompetent.

Democrats incredulous over Bush's account of Iran report


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Joe Biden on Tuesday said he can't believe President Bush hasn't known for months about a recent intelligence estimate that downplays the nuclear threat from Iran.

Joe Biden says "he refuses to believe" that Bush didn't know about a new assessment of Iran's nuclear program.

Other Democratic candidates also slammed Bush for continuing to ratchet up the rhetoric against Tehran.

On Tuesday the president acknowledged he had given a speech warning that Iran's nuclear development risked "World War III" about two months after his intelligence chief told him a reassessment of Tehran's nuclear ambitions was under way.

Bush told reporters during a White House news conference that he was not told the details of the new assessment until last week and he said the new report, which found that Iran had halted its nuclear weapons work in 2003, will not change U.S. policy toward Iran.

"Iran was dangerous, Iran is dangerous and Iran will be dangerous if they have the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon," Bush said, pointing out that Tehran continues to try to enrich uranium for civilian purposes and therefore develop technology that could be used for a weapon.

"They had the program. They halted the program. It's a warning signal because they could restart it," he said. Video Watch President Bush call Iran 'dangerous' »

Bush told reporters that he was told of "new information" about Iran in August during a briefing by Adm. Mike McConnell, the director of national intelligence.

"He didn't tell me what the information was. He did tell me it was going to take a while to analyze," the president said. He said he wasn't briefed about the new information until the new intelligence report was prepared last week.

The Democratic presidential candidates were incredulous that Bush did not know about the assessment's new finding.

Biden, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, called that explanation "unbelievable."

"Are you telling me a president that's briefed every single morning, who's fixated on Iran, is not told back in August that the tentative conclusion of 16 intelligence agencies in the U.S. government said they had abandoned their effort for a nuclear weapon in '03?" Biden asked in a conference call with reporters.

"I refuse to believe that," he added. "If that's true, he has the most incompetent staff in modern American history, and he's one of the most incompetent presidents in modern American history."

The Bush administration has spent years warning that Iran's development of nuclear power plants and enriched uranium masked an effort to produce an atomic bomb. Top officials have called the prospect of a nuclear-armed Iran "unacceptable."

In an October 17 news conference, Bush said that "If you're interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon."

And four days later, Vice President Dick Cheney told a Washington think tank that Iran would face "serious consequences" from the international community if it continued to enrich uranium.

But in a report released Monday, U.S. intelligence agencies concluded that Iran had suspended nuclear weapons work in 2003 and was unlikely to produce enough weapons-grade uranium for a bomb until at least 2010.

The assessment reverses a 2005 National Intelligence Estimate that found the Islamic republic was "determined to develop nuclear weapons despite its international obligations and international pressure." See how the 2005 and 2007 estimates differ »

The United States and its European allies are pushing for tighter sanctions against Tehran as a result of that continued refusal, and Bush said Monday's report "makes it clear that the strategy we have used in the past is effective."

But Biden said Monday's report was an unpleasant echo of the run-up to the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003 -- a war that was launched based on mistaken conclusions about Iraq's weapons programs. He said the result of Bush's rhetoric has been to make it "far more difficult" to round up support for continued sanctions on Tehran.

"It's hard to think of a more serious and more self-inflicted wound to our national security than this president continues to inflict," Biden said.

Republican National Committee spokesman Brian Walton said, "Apparently Joe Biden has seen recent polling that shows his statistical insignificance and is looking for relevance in the debate by offering heated rhetoric."

Biden and other Democrats now hoping to replace Bush after 2008 used the report to call for new talks with Iran over the nuclear issue, offering the prospect of renewed economic and diplomatic ties in exchange for a halt to uranium enrichment.

"I think we do know that pressure on Iran does have an effect," Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, said during a Democratic debate Tuesday held by National Public Radio. "I think that is an important lesson. But we're not going to reach the kind of resolution that we should seek unless we put that into the context of a diplomatic process."

And Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, told the same forum that Bush "continues to not let facts get in the way of his ideology."

"They should have stopped the saber rattling; should have never started it. And they need, now, to aggressively move on the diplomatic front," he said.

But national security adviser Stephen Hadley said Monday that Bush was not told to tone down his rhetoric about Iran's nuclear ambitions when advised that a change in the U.S. estimate was coming -- and would have made his remarks about "World War III" either way.
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"It was making a point that the president and we have been making for two or three years -- that the international community has to exert more pressure, because Iran needs to suspend [its] enrichment program," Hadley said. "That continues to be our policy after this latest national intelligence estimate."
 
Biden is right. Bush and the neocons again attempted to corner everyone into believing a war was the only option. This is not about Iran not being dangerous. Iran has the capability of being dangerous. That's not the point. The point is we were being lied to...again...and the White House is in full "spin" on the whole thing. For Bush to imply that he was not fully briefed is totally bogus. A commander in chief doesn't imply rushing to war if he's not fully appraised of the situation. That's incompetent.
 
What did you think, that GW was going to tell the true THIS time?
 
I really am hoping for a Obama/Biden ticket in the fall of '08. I was torn between Clinton and Obama(leaning Obama) until her crazy antics towards Obama the last 2 days. Biden is hella smart and would love to see him president some day but feel it would have to be in a vice prez capacity first since people(and the media) don't seem to focus on him much. Which baffles me because he is so smart and captivating to hear speak.
 
Way to go Biden. Tell it like it is. We're there for oil and this President is among the Worst in our Nation's history in misleading the public on our real intentions.
 
Let me think on why Iran is such a danger......

'Maybe because it's a Muslim country'

'Maybe because they have oil'

'Maybe because Bush just doesn't like them'

'Maybe because Bush is getting pressure from Isreal'

'Maybe because Iran is actually openly opposing the US "if you don't agree with us, then you need to die" policy(*which our democratic governments are putting as No 1 priority*'

'Maybe because they're possibly funding guerrilla fighters(terrorist or freedom fighter, they're the same) to try to get the US out of Iraq'
 
I really am hoping for a Obama/Biden ticket in the fall of '08. I was torn between Clinton and Obama(leaning Obama) until her crazy antics towards Obama the last 2 days.


What, specifically, has she done in the past two days that leads you to the conclusion she would be a worse, rather than better, President than Obama?
 
You guys HAVE to go to the Hardball site and see what Biden said on Hardball about the Iran mess the idiot in chief is trying. I swear at the end Biden is getting redfaced. It makes me wish he were higher up in the polls.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/
 
You guys HAVE to go to the Hardball site and see what Biden said on Hardball about the Iran mess the idiot in chief is trying. I swear at the end Biden is getting redfaced. It makes me wish he were higher up in the polls.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/

This is the Hardball link but click on Biden responds to Bush/NIE

Sorry, I duped it all by myself.
 
I saw Bush's press conference yesterday and when questioned on this subject his answers brought me back to Iraq and WMDs.

He could have taken credit for the Iranian halting of their nuclear bomb program but instead he could not hide the fact that he thought their pullback to be bad news...as in not what he wanted to hear.

The reason it brought me back to Iraq is that in his response he said that the new intelligence aside Iran was still a threat and that not much had really changed. He could have made the same statement concerning Iraq and Saddam had no WMD's been found, to his satisfaction, before the invasion.

The WMD argument was for our benefit not the administrations. WMD's or not invading Iraq was a good idea in their opinion which is why we went in. I think his reaction to the Iranian news indicates he feels the same way about Iran. Like Saddam there is nothing the Iranian leadership can do which will make the Bushies believe they should be left alone.

I also found it worth noting that when answering the questions Bush did not say anything about how Iranian agents are still helping to kill our boys in Iraq. They have been rather quiet on the subject the last month which makes me think the Iranians have pulled back here as well.

The idea that the Iranians are crazy religious nuts who can never be allowed to have a bomb has also taken a blow. I have asked again and again for anyone to give a single example of the Iranians acting crazy as opposed to talking crazy and none have been offered up. In this case they have outmaneuvered the Bush administration which, while not a high hurdle, is one the crazy might not have managed.
 
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