Biden Vs Trump The Debates. [First Presidential Debate - Sep 29]

[jaysizzles]

I'm going to get a lot of hate on this.

After the debate, I'm glad it wasn't a woman that won the dem nomination. It's time we admit the truth on this: Trump has this macho bullying thing that attracts his supporters so much. He would have made any of the dem female candidate look weak simply by hovering over her and not let her talk. Yes, right wingers actually think such obnoxious behavior is a sign of strength.

I don't buy your theory one bit.

He didn't make Hillary look weak by hovering over her...she didn't flinch at all. He just looked like a bully. There were a number of reasons why she lost, but mainly it was because a lot of people just didn't like her.

Harris, Warren and Klobuchar could all easily have stood up to Trump better than Biden did last night. They are intelligent women that have put up with chauvinists and domineering men their entire careers, and have come out ahead. They'd have eaten Trump alive.

 

[ClubLevelVegan]

Regardless of how you think of me, I want a dem to win this time. And if that means not giving him another woman so he can rile up people's latent inner sexism, so be it.

Yeah, I'd rather not cater to sexist ideals just because his base is neanderthals and believe in those things. Trump is a belligerent asshole to everyone. He wouldn't make a woman look weak because of their gender, because gender isn't the issue.

 

[Sausy]

I read the aftermath. Biden lost his temper a couple of times, referring to Trump as "this clown." While true, it wasn't helpful. But I didn't see the rest of it. Just read the NY Times synopsis. Trump sounded like he was constantly losing his shit (and he is). Wouldn't condemn White Supremacists and even sent out a "stand by" message, as in a "call to arms."
People have already decided who they're voting for, for the most part. A few stragglers, but not a substantial amount, methinks.

The point is getting to the 3-4% who can be persuaded. If they went to bed after the debate last night thinking, "I'm gonna go with Trump" this country is fucked and deserves to crash and burn. REALLY? People would tolerate four more years of THIS?????????? And exponentionally amplified as a re-elected Trump would make life miserable for all his enemies, feel like he's invincible. I just don't feel other than his 40% who'd follow him into the fires of hell with enthusiasm, there were any wavering votes willing to go with him after the "dumpster fire inside a train wreck" performance from last night. It was awful. Biden had some really good moments even if he did bite a couple of times... but I'm glad he got upset. THIS isn't normal. Sometimes you have to slap back at the bully. They had better make certain the next Presidential debate that Trump follows up to the agreed procedure or yeah they should shut his mike whenever he speaks out of turn. If the next one isn't any different from this regarding Trump's antics, Biden should refuse a third debate as something showing mercy to the American people, because we really don't need this crap.

Trump made a perfunctory "I want peace" blurb, but he DOESN'T want peace. He should have clearly stated that right wing actions done on his behalf that are inflammatory and racist are unacceptable...FULL STOP. He DOESN'T want that kind of support, it has NO place in America. Yet he not only equates "antifa" with right wing violence but actually calls it and other left wing actions far worse... he says it's the "left" that's the real source of all the problems today being protested in the streets. It's the agitation and encouragement of far right groups that is making things toxic. He knows it, or he certainly should know it. But when it comes to right wing nationalist and racist groups even being acknowledged by the FBI and intelligence sources as the primary driver of violence and terrorism in America... Trump and his people want to minimize that, ignore that. If it isn't Muslim radicals or hard leftists, the Trump administration doesn't even want to talk about threats to public safety coming from within... particularly if the most dangerous threat is the loud, angry right.

 

[KaraBulut]

“That was a hot mess inside a dumpster fire inside a train wreck,"

-Jake Tapper

"That debate was the worst thing I've ever seen & I was in The Star Wars Holiday Special."

Mark Hamill

Even Dana Bash couldn't restrain herself.

Favorite joke after the debate:
Commentator: "That was a circus"
Producer: "We just heard from the circus people. They demand an apology for being compared to that."

 

[rareboy]

Even Jake and Dana couldn't even even. They spoke for all of us.

 

[MystikWizard]

I don't buy your theory one bit.

He didn't make Hillary look weak by hovering over her...she didn't flinch at all. He just looked like a bully. There were a number of reasons why she lost, but mainly it was because a lot of people just didn't like her.

Harris, Warren and Klobuchar could all easily have stood up to Trump better than Biden did last night. They are intelligent women that have put up with chauvinists and domineering men their entire careers, and have come out ahead. They'd have eaten Trump alive.

There were major trust and integrity issues from those who opposed her that people were willing to take their chances on an outsider over what they knew they were going to get with Hillary. Contrary to many who supported Hillary and are far too eager to lob the "sexism" charge every chance they get, it was the trust/integrity issue that primarily cost her the win. It enflamed the voters from the opposing party and the disaffected Left who would've otherwise voted Democrat, but also experienced the same tactics used in the Primary against Bernie Sanders which reinforced their concerns about those same issues. So that cost her votes, there as well.

And then the Independents just seemed to agree with her detractors, as well.

This is one of those things that supporters of Hillary Clinton should simply accept that not everyone in the world looks at things in the same way they do, just like Trump supporters need to accept the same ... although to be fair, Trump supporters seemed to have accepted this a long time ago whereas Hillary supporters still can't fathom how people can't support her to this day.

 

[cabinfever]

I'm going to get a lot of hate on this.

After the debate, I'm glad it wasn't a woman that won the dem nomination. It's time we admit the truth on this: Trump has this macho bullying thing that attracts his supporters so much. He would have made any of the dem female candidate look weak simply by hovering over her and not let her talk. Yes, right wingers actually think such obnoxious behavior is a sign of strength.

It really depends on the individual woman.

I am just gonna put this out there - Bill (unintentionally) fucked Hillary over badly when he did what he did - and her reaction made her an instant target as it does to every woman who doesn't grab a bottle of whiskey and pack of cigarettes and start cussing like a sailor or sobbing to C&W music - or finding the woman who "stole her man" and kicking both of their asses. THOSE are he women you can "trust" - she is supposed to act like a victim and if she doesn't she is an easy target. The people who spent alot of time demeaning her know about these attitudes and knew exactly what they were doing and most of the people who have the attitudes have no idea they even have them so they are easily swayed by one lie after another.

The woman who spent her life in public service was reduced to a lying POS and murderer quite easily - and it is a type of misogyny that is overlooked. She didn't play the victim so she can't be trusted. We have fucked up attitudes about women and when a man "cheats" a ton of people look to the woman when, in reality, they have no clue what/why - not to mention some women love it when their man goes astray so they don't have to fuck him - they just are't supposed to get caught.

So - his attitude toward Hillary played right into public perception and a bias about how a woman is supposed to act - but he wouldn't be able to do that with, for instance, Amy or Kamala or Stacey and get the same applause.

He got lucky with Hilllary - a ton of people wanted to punish her - but he would have to play a different misogyny card with a different women.

 

[rareboy]

I think this is so very true.

TrumpCo. exploited the sentiment of the audience, knowing that there was an army of trolls at both extremes who were ready to spread the most disgusting lies possible.

This would not have worked with women like Kamala or Amy...although Warren was an easy mark for his misogyny because of the Pocahontas schtick.

Joe has not been easy to pin. As much as they wanted to make him 'Sleepy Joe', the narrative hasn't worked. And 'Creepy Joe' was too fraught with potential for Trump himself to be pilloried for his really disgusting and pervy behaviour.

I am waiting to see what Harris can do with Pence to expose him as the evil fuck that he really is.

 

[rareboy]

"Last night President Trump delivered one of the most disgraceful performances at a presidential debate that anyone has ever seen. ... Shakespeare summed up in 'Macbeth,' Trump's performance last night — a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing,

- C. Schumer - on the floor of the Senate 30/9/2020

 

[Alistair]

I am waiting to see what Harris can do with Pence to expose him as the evil fuck that he really is.

Is Pence allowed to be on the stage alone with Harris?

 

[rareboy]

“I guess I didn’t realize — and there was no way you could, hindsight being 20/20 — that this was going to be the president’s strategy, not just for the beginning of the debate but the entire debate," he said before adding: “I’m a pro. I’ve never been through anything like this.”

- chris wallace...who should have know better

 

[eddielee]

The President is insane. It's obvious that he's had a complete breakdown and is not fit to be in office. Of course that makes no difference to his followers who are equally insane.

 

[Latimer]

My attitude was "wake me when it's over," so I stayed in my studio and worked, while my partner watched on his own. After I heard Trump ranting I closed the door to get some peace. Didn't want to hear, didn't want the memory of an exchange between two men both manifestly unsuited to the office to disturb my sleep. Jim Geraghty titled his piece this morning in National Review, It Figures That a Dumpster Fire of a Year Like This Would Bring Us a 'Debate' Like This. He wrote:

"Last night, I thought the first presidential debate of the 2020 cycle was bad. This morning, after a night's sleep and further reflection, I think it was even worse than bad."

 

[rareboy]

^One of them is manifestly unsuited for office.

But we all can guess who you were rooting for.

Hopefully you weren't too crushed.

 

[Latimer]

Actually, I despise Trump, and would be happy to see him run out of office on a rail--whatever that means (I'll have to look it up.) The guy belongs in jail. That said, I'm fearful of what Democratic-controlled Congress and presidency will bring. Both parties deserve to loose, and I doubt that whichever one does will be capable of reform.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Trump was no surprise to anyone who has been paying attention for the last six years.

Biden did better than he could have, but still failed when he called the president a fool and a clown.

That the president is both is not a question. That the office was not respected simply opens the door for those who will say that there won't be any need to maintain decorum and protocol for the next president after Trump loses.

In 2009, Representative Wilson called President Obama a liar during the State of the Union address. It was a deep violation of Congressional protocols. The Chief Executive is afforded a respectful hearing of his policies during the annual speech. It is not the same as the grumblings common in the British Parliament, as it is a different setting and a different decorum. Going down that road leads to chaos and ultimately, violence.

This all began way back when lampoons referred to President Nixon as Tricky Dick, and then it was open season for satirists using the familiar.

The office is the office is the office, no matter what is sitting at that desk. Referring to the holder as anything other than Mr. President, or President X just contributes to the pyre that will burn our institutions to the ground.

And OK'ing the disrespect just because it goes against an inferior man morally, ethically, and civilly, doesn't make it OK, as then it opens the door for the opposition to do the same when a decent man sits in that chair.

It surely didn't make Biden look like a statesman.

 

[Latimer]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riding_a_rail

 

[Latimer]

How Trump would have behaved and what he would have said were he smarter, capable of honest, self-reflection and disciplined:
https://www-nationalreview-com.cdn....om/the-morning-jolt/the-debate-dumpster-fire/

 

[spooger]

Does anyone smell river sludge?

I agree BHO stinks, but come on...river sludge? OK I agree, then

 

[cabinfever]

I think this is so very true.

TrumpCo. exploited the sentiment of the audience, knowing that there was an army of trolls at both extremes who were ready to spread the most disgusting lies possible.

This would not have worked with women like Kamala or Amy...although Warren was an easy mark for his misogyny because of the Pocahontas schtick.

Joe has not been easy to pin. As much as they wanted to make him 'Sleepy Joe', the narrative hasn't worked. And 'Creepy Joe' was too fraught with potential for Trump himself to be pilloried for his really disgusting and pervy behaviour.

I am waiting to see what Harris can do with Pence to expose him as the evil fuck that he really is.

I hope she trusts herself and I think she will. If she does - she will slay him easily.

She can make her case very well - I used to tune n whenever I knew she was a guest on TV or on a radio show just to hear her speak here in California.

She is wise and skilled and knows how to close a topic and bring it home where she wants it - Pence may want to stock up on toilet paper