Big Brother 13 CBS

[Sgt Pepper]

Whither Jun Song?

Ah yes, how could I forget about Jun? And Dan too for that matter.

 

[slipintothefog]

My list of top favorites in order of apperance: BB3 Danielle/Amy, BB4 Jun, BB6 Janelle, BB7 Will (since I never finished watching BB2 and now the season has been removed from Youtube -_-), BB8 Jen, BB9 Sheila, BB10 Libra/Dan, BB11 Michele/Kevin, BB12 Britney/Rachel. There are other people I like but wouldn't put in the top echelon for reason or another. e.g.: Daniele Donato because of her featured role as Whiny Blonde Skeletor in her original season, or Jordan because of her atrocious boyfriend and fans.

I feel like we overlap on probably everyone but a certain redheaded trainwreck, my dear.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

I feel like we overlap on probably everyone but a certain redheaded trainwreck, my dear.

Oui mon chou. And it's indicative of how unusually in sync our tastes are because not all of these people are fan favorites (Janelle/Dan/Will yes but most fans think Jen was the villain of BB8 and hated the F2 of BB4). For the record, here are my favorites:

BB2: Will
BB3: Amy
BB4: Jun
BB5: Marvin
BB6: Janelle
BB7: Will & Janelle
BB8: Jen
BB9: Sheila
BB10: Dan
BB11: Michele
BB12: Britney
BB13: Daniele

And here are my "villains" for those seasons:
BB2: Nicole
BB3: Marcellas
BB4: Robert
BB5: Jase
BB6: Maggie
BB7: Boogie
BB8: Dick
BB9: Joshua
BB10: Jesse
BB11: Jesse
BB12: Brenchel
BB13: Brenchel
BB14: Boogie (no it's not too early to call this)

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Oh and I also wanted to bemoan the fact that this show has a horrible track record of always casting at least one woman who is either batshit crazy, crazy for a guy (who's blatantly not into her), or BOTH. Except for Season, I can name at least one loony (or moony) lady per season:

BB2: Monica (Batshit Crazy)

BB3: Chiara (Crazy For Roddy)

BB5: Diane (Crazy for Drew)

BB6: Ivette (Batshit Crazy)

BB7: Erika (Crazy for Boogie)

BB8: Amber (Batshit Crazy)

BB9: Natalie (Batshit Crazy & Crazy for Matty)

BB10: Michelle (Batshit Crazy & Crazy for Jesse)

BB11: Lydia (Batshit Crazy & Crazy for Jesse)

BB12: Rachel (Batshit Crazy & Crazy for Brendan)

BB13: Rachel (Batshit Crazy & Crazy for Brendan)

BB14: Danielle (Batshit Crazy & Crazy for Shane)

And I mean yes, I know this show often scrapes the bottom of the societal barrel. But god this consistent casting "type" is so depressing. It's like they believe some mentally unstable or emotionally unstable (or both) woman has to be cast so she can be gawked at and GIFed all season long (and I mean guilty as charged right here BUT STILL) whereas the men, even the horrible ones, are by and large only focused on the game and making fun of the women who aren't.

 

[slipintothefog]

I liked Marvin! BB5 feels like kind of a haze so I didn't list anybody there, although I was firmly pro-Diane/Nakomis/Karen/Will's alliance. Back in the day I was DEVASTATED when the twins turned on Will so I always appreciated Marvin calling them out on how Adria said her nominations were inspired by God or some ridiculous shit and he was like "So God wanted you to nominate the black guy and the gay guy?"

What were your feelings on Danielle Reyes, again? I seem to remember posts where you said you like her, but also posts where you criticized her. Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly.

Eugh the casual fans hating on Jen and buying into Dick's Father of the Year TV edit was disgusting. So was how they embraced Rachel at the end of BB13, after they had spent a season and a half bashing her, only because she was friends with Jordan. (At least I can take solace in the fact that out of all six veterans in BB13, Rachel was dead last by far in terms of who Grodbeast wanted to win. And second to last after Daniele for the crazy cat ladies who masturbate to Jeff's image nightly.)

 

[slipintothefog]

And here are my "villains" for those seasons:
BB3: Marcellas

Haha... no joke, Marcy was my favorite when I FIRST watched BB3. But I was still 14 at the time and basically pre-destined to root for any gay person on a reality show still. As time went on Marcellas's star dimmed while Amy's grew brighter and brighter in my memory banks, though.

I do find it kind of hard to keep hating the villains after a season is over though. Mostly because everyone on Big Brother is such a fucking cartoon character in the first place. Like in 2005? DESPISED the Friendship/Nerd Herd. These days? I can ironically appreciate them as characters even though Maggie's win still ruined the season. Especially Ivette's delusional ass and BUSTO <333

 

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I liked Marvin! BB5 feels like kind of a haze so I didn't list anybody there, although I was firmly pro-Diane/Nakomis/Karen/Will's alliance. Back in the day I was DEVASTATED when the twins turned on Will so I always appreciated Marvin calling them out on how Adria said her nominations were inspired by God or some ridiculous shit and he was like "So God wanted you to nominate the black guy and the gay guy?"

I was SO mad at Diane for stupidly choosing to go to the F3 with Cowboy instead of Nakomis when a Nakomis/Diane/Drew combo would guarantee her a spot in the finals, and allow for a Nakomis/Diane finale which would've been awesome (the leader vs. the schemer). Nakomis/Diane/Karen/Will were my team too -- I was thrilled the week they executed Nakomis' six finger plan because I loathed Jase (as I list above) -- and I always wanted them to include Marvin over Drew in their fun group cuz he was my fave, but of course Diane and her ovaries (and her poor gaydar) wouldn't allow that.

What were your feelings on Danielle Reyes, again? I seem to remember posts where you said you like her, but also posts where you criticized her. Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly.

You have an excellent memory (and I'm flattered you remembered). I have complicated feelings about Danielle so forgive me if this is long-winded. On the one hand I do think she was entertaining as hell in terms of being a schemer. Loved the Marcellas thing, loved the secret alliance, loved the way she turned the house on the alpha alliance. However, I found her smug and unfunny in the DR. She seemed to think she was as witty as Dr. Will and she just wasn't and by the end I was actually hoping for Lisa to kick her ass in the final vote (which she did). It annoyed me that fans -- and fueled shamelessly by Danielle -- kept saying she was "robbed" when in reality, she played a very fine game to get to the end but did not account for the part where you have to get people to vote for you (kind of like Russell on Survivor but obviously less odious). On All Stars she seemed to learn her lesson a bit and was more likable at times, but she also never stopped reminding us that she was a mastermind, and you know it's like, if you have to say it, then maybe it's not evident.

Remember that HOH comp in All Stars when they asked who America thought was the smartest player and of course America voted Will, but Danielle thought it was herself and lost on that question? HA! It was a great moment where she was punished for her lack of self-awareness...and all over the thing she cares most about (her BB reputation).

All that said, she's not without skill and some entertainment value. She's just not what she (and fans) claim she is. Unpretentious, fun Amy was my girl on BB3.

 

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I do find it kind of hard to keep hating the villains after a season is over though. Mostly because everyone on Big Brother is such a fucking cartoon character in the first place. Like in 2005? DESPISED the Friendship/Nerd Herd. These days? I can ironically appreciate them as characters even though Maggie's win still ruined the season. Especially Ivette's delusional ass and BUSTO <333

I know what you mean. I think in the moment I despise some villains and then in retrospect -- especially on BB10 where the villains all got their comeuppance -- I can appreciate their entertainment value. Not Maggie (never her) but Ivette and April were hilariously delusional and provided great (unintentional) comic DR's. What helped too was the big pile on fuck you the Nerd Herd got after the season so it doesn't seem like they "won" at all. It's much worse with people like Dick and Boogie, who many fans like and who were ultimately rewarded with the grand prize.

I'm a big believer that Survivor and BB are ultimately about bullies getting their comeuppance (especially since they cast so many assholes and of course most of them will be voted out) so when an entire season goes by (like BB8) where they don't get got and the audience loves them, my hatred remains. I can honestly say I find Rachel more entertaining than Dick and Boogie (how can I not?) but her win last season was really awful for me in the same way (i.e. no payback) and that keeps her on my shit list. Had she lost to Portia (which...HOW THE FUCK DID THAT NOT HAPPEN SHELLY??) I'd be able to rank that season higher in retrospect and really enjoy Rachel's crazy moments for what they were.

 

[slipintothefog]

Yeah, that's good analysis for Danielle. I think my problem here is that I've never rewatched a season of Big Brother, so I'm relying on my memories, which can be somewhat faulty, and especially for a season like BB3 that aired a decade ago. Like, here's what I remember: Danielle was somewhat robbed because I thought she was fairly well-liked during the game itself, and a big factor in her loss was there not being a sequestered jury in that season, so everybody saw her DR sessions and that played a hand in Lisa completely slaughtering her. Like, if BB3 had a jury, she might not have won, but it probably wouldn't have been a complete blowout like it was. At the same time, Danielle must have known from BB2 that the people voting in the end are able to see DRs and thus, she played a hand in her own demise by speaking so freely and viciously, especially about Roddy. How much of that is accurate I'm really not sure.

I'm a big believer that Survivor and BB are ultimately about bullies getting their comeuppance (especially since they cast so many assholes and of course most of them will be voted out) so when an entire season goes by (like BB8) where they don't get got and the audience loves them, my hatred remains. I can honestly say I find Rachel more entertaining than Dick and Boogie (how can I not?) but her win last season was really awful for me in the same way and keeps her on my shit list.

True true true. If it's any consolation I don't think the casual audience really loves Rachel or thinks she was a good winner like they do about Dick or Boogie, because everyone was back to hating Rachel as usual when she went on the last season of Amazing Race. It was more like they would have committed suicide if anyone from Daniele's alliance (or especially Shelly after the double eviction night) had won after they kicked out Jeff and Jordan, and Rachel winning just made them untie the noose and step down from the chair momentarily.

I loved Rachel winning just because I became firmly pro-Rachel after her eviction in BB12 left that season a completely drama-free, hollow shell, but I certainly won't pretend that she had any strategic game. Her social game in 13 was slightly better but that's not much an accomplishment after the hilarious abortion that her social game in 12. She basically just benefited from Grodner trying her hardest to rig a second Jordan win.

 

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Like, here's what I remember: Danielle was somewhat robbed because I thought she was fairly well-liked during the game itself, and a big factor in her loss was there not being a sequestered jury in that season, so everybody saw her DR sessions and that played a hand in Lisa completely slaughtering her. Like, if BB3 had a jury, she might not have won, but it probably wouldn't have been a complete blowout like it was. At the same time, Danielle must have known from BB2 that the people voting in the end are able to see DRs and thus, she played a hand in her own demise by speaking so freely and viciously, especially about Roddy. How much of that is accurate I'm really not sure.

I completely agree with all of this. I'll go even further and say if the jury had been sequestered, Danielle would have won because several people said in their eviction interviews (Chiara, Amy, that older guy) that they were voting for her...and then of course they saw the tapes. But as you said, it's her own fault because she knew that going into it and didn't adjust her strategy accordingly to cull votes. When her fans complain, this is what they always cite: "She was robbed cuz the jury saw the tapes!" Um...how is that robbery when she knew that? Yes it's better with a sequestered jury and I'm glad they've sequestered them ever since, but those were the rules at the time. If you lose within the rules of the game (which you were fully aware of) you can't blame the rules for your loss. It's not the banker's fault you didn't have more Monopoly money, you know?

Heh. Not only do we both agree but we're both up at the same ungodly hour (unless you're on the west coast).

 

[slipintothefog]

I'm in NY, but my weekend is Wednesday and Thursday, so bring on the 4 AM Big Brother talk!

What I want to know is if Danielle really thought she would have beaten Jason if they got to the end together, or if she would have even taken him in the first place. Because I'm certain that was her plan until Lisa rocked the final HOH comp, and... Danielle would have been fucking SLAUGHTERED against Jason with or without DR sessions coming into play.

Oh well. I kind of liked Lisa as a winner anyway though. Especially compared to most of the other morons who have won BB, or women who were attached their summer fling's cocks all season, Lisa was pretty good. I'll always remember how she voted to bring back Amy rather than her showmance to protect her floating game and considering there's about three dozen BB women who wouldn't have done the same, she gets my praise.

 

[Taralen]

Daily Jodi love. <3.

Wil please win HOH and send Dan home? Lord please.

 

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What I want to know is if Danielle really thought she would have beaten Jason if they got to the end together, or if she would have even taken him in the first place. Because I'm certain that was her plan until Lisa rocked the final HOH comp, and... Danielle would have been fucking SLAUGHTERED against Jason with or without DR sessions coming into play.

It's so sad that I remember this, but in the first part of the Final HOH comp (endurance), Daniele and Lisa basically struck a deal, allowing Dani to throw the comp to Lisa, if Lisa agreed to take her to the finals. So I don't think Dani ever had any intention of taking Jason to the end (you're right, he would've creamed her for jury votes) although that hasn't prevented her from rewriting that narrative over the years and insisting she was always loyal to Jason. I think she wanted Lisa to take her because she genuinely/foolishly believed she could beat Lisa, and she wanted to hold on to the Jason-Dani-4-ever fantasy.

BTW, BB has now had THREE Daniele's although the crazy bitch on this season doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same category as Reyes and Donato.

Oh well. I kind of liked Lisa as a winner anyway though. Especially compared to most of the other morons who have won BB, or women who were attached their summer fling's cocks all season, Lisa was pretty good. I'll always remember how she voted to bring back Amy rather than her showmance to protect her floating game and considering there's about three dozen BB women who wouldn't have done the same, she gets my praise.

That's so true. Hell considering the list I posted of man-crazy BB chicks, Lisa was a fucking feminist in comparison!

 

[ddrock]

I actually liked Daniele from Season 3 and All-Stars and felt that she would've made a wayyyyyyy better coach than Britney. Daniele should've won her season but those people that voted against her were just bitter cause they played and at the time there was no sequester and evicted houseguests could watch the shows and the DR sessions. Willie wouldn't have been acting a fool the way he did and I honestly felt that she would've convinced Mike to cut his losses, throw his boy Frank under the bus and work with the coaches. Why in the hell Britney was brought back as a coach, I never will understand. I think instead, someone should be coaching Britney.

And please don't throw tomatoes at me, but Frank is growing on me a little. Seeing him in his spiritard and the morning wood he was sporting getting out of bed one night is making me look at him in ways nature wasn't intending.

 

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That's so true. Hell considering the list I posted of man-crazy BB chicks, Lisa was a fucking feminist in comparison!

Yep. Hell, except for Sharon, I think all of the women on BB9 could have fallen into the Batshit Crazy, Crazy for a Guy or BOTH categories. (Sheila was only crazy but in a good way, know that! 45!!)

 

[joesman]

Frigging Danielle telling Booger how she has been over Janelle since week one. He said he is glad to hear it and so glad he is well received by her. C!!!!!!

 

[tbtmo02]

i cant with this thread any more

 

[falconfan]

I'm assuming there are no signs of life for Janelle? I haven't been watching because I don't want to see my girl go like this. The way the girls are treating her is all very season 6. I totally get that Dan needs to let this one go because Janelle is not essential to him and it would take too much work to save her but I LOATHE that Boogie has outlasted her.

 

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That's exactly how I feel too. If they had just let Frank get evicted last week, I'd be able to stomach Janelle's eviction because at least she'd score one against Boogie. Now the way it is, Boogie will be congratulating himself in the DR and generally just being an insufferable asshole, even though none of this has anything to do with his "skills" (it has mostly to do with Dan and partly to do with Janelle shooting herself in the foot in that coaches' meeting).

No falconfan, there's no hope for Janelle unless Grodner pulls one of her usual bullshit twists.

 

[joesman]

Danielle is an insufferable asshole, too and I can't stand by Dan as long as he stands by her. Boogie has a lip lock on Frank and won't let go. Is he the 'uncle or the nephew' in this scenario?