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[falconfan]

I honestly don't know how this could fall either at jury or in the final HOH. I imagine that Diary wants him to think letting Ian win is best for him.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

I honestly don't know how this could fall either at jury or in the final HOH. I imagine that Diary wants him to think letting Ian win is best for him.

Oh I'm sure they want a Dan/Ian F2, but Dan's been to this rodeo before and seen enough BB to know that playing against the DR is one of the elements in playing BB. He should know better. I mean there's just NO logical way that taking Ian could be better than taking Danielle.

It would make him lose Britney's vote but possibly gain Jenn's. It would get him Danielle, but he'd have gotten Ian anyway. So that's a wash. Shane is definitely NOT voting for him, so that leaves Frank/Joe/Ashley and there is no reasoning on earth that would make anyone think that any winning combination of those three would go for Danielle but not Ian.

 

[falconfan]

Well Frank hates Dan and Ian. The reasoning would be that he doesn't hate Dani so he might cast a bitter vote for her but if he's also bitter against Ian it's a more level field for Dan to try to win two votes (because lets be honest Ashley will go with him). Ian WAS the HOH who evicted but Frank and Ashley but I ultimately think it won't help because I think they'll respect Ian's gameplay enough to vote for him where they wouldn't respect Dani's and just kind of get over it. What I suspect, which no one suspects is that Britt's been working on Ashley and I don't know what that means exactly.

I don't know how Shane would vote in Ian vs Dan. Shane was blindside and upset. People get over that with time unless they're assholes *cough* Frank *cough*. Shane isn't an asshole. If he thinks Dan played the best game he might give it to him. IT's really a hard jury to read because so much of it depends on personal animosity and those things wain over time.

 

[slipintothefog]

Here's the laser veto comp:

Oh good, Amy was the one who screamed when she saw the comp instead of Marcellas. Because that's just so... Amy. <3

I loved Danielle's DRs too. At least she wasn't afraid to talk shit about herself when she was doing it to everyone else too.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Well Frank hates Dan and Ian. The reasoning would be that he doesn't hate Dani so he might cast a bitter vote for her but if he's also bitter against Ian it's a more level field for Dan to try to win two votes (because lets be honest Ashley will go with him). Ian WAS the HOH who evicted but Frank and Ashley but I ultimately think it won't help because I think they'll respect Ian's gameplay enough to vote for him where they wouldn't respect Dani's and just kind of get over it. What I suspect, which no one suspects is that Britt's been working on Ashley and I don't know what that means exactly.

I don't know how Shane would vote in Ian vs Dan. Shane was blindside and upset. People get over that with time unless they're assholes *cough* Frank *cough*. Shane isn't an asshole. If he thinks Dan played the best game he might give it to him. IT's really a hard jury to read because so much of it depends on personal animosity and those things wain over time.

No Shane's really upset about it. He told Jeff in his post-eviction interview that he's not voting for Dan. And Shane can tell the others that Dan wanted Ian out during the FF. So they'll perceive Ian as saving his own hide against Dan via competitions (multiple times) whereas Danielle would be perceived as Dan's bitch. Anyone NOT wanting to vote for Dan would not vote for his bitch.

All that stuff about Danielle lying to Frank would come out on the jury and her whole "I never lied to y'all" routine would sink her. Dan should know that.

Britney definitely has influence over some jury members but Dan has to know her #1 push would be for Ian.

Bottom line. If Frank/Ashley won't vote for Ian over Dan, then they definitely won't vote for Danielle over Dan. Any way you slice it, it makes no sense to want to go with Ian over her.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

The ONLY reasoning I could see for Dan wanting to go F2 with Ian is if he thinks Ian's lack of social cues and generally annoying persona would ultimately make him lose votes with the jury. And I mean, that's not impossible and lord knows I've learned NOT to underestimate Dan. He is a shrewd observer of human nature and (for example) he correctly perceived that Memphis' inability to connect with people in the house would make him a good finalist to sit next to on Season 10. It's also possible that Dan knows Ian would try a version of the "I didn't lie to you" fatal approach with the jury since Ian has tried to avoid responsibility for his nominations, for his double-agent work etc.

But that's a HUGE risk to take when you have someone like Danielle right there who 1) threw you a competition 2) gave up all her HOH and POV powers to you and 3) generally did whatever you told her to do. That is NOT what juries respect and it's certainly not going to net her points if anyone is anti-Dan (except maybe Shane). A vote for Danielle is still a vote for Dan so taking her gives the jury no satisfying place to put their anti-Dan vote.

Also, if Britney is Dan's Keesha on the jury this season (which seems like it from the jury peek this week) then taking Ian to F2 would be like taking Renny. It would be the fastest way to lose that vote/advocate.

 

[Adrock-JD]

Okay, so over two months of three shows per week, live feeds and Showtime After Dark plus twitter, facebook and our beloved JustUsBoys BB thread and we still don't know who the fuck the jury will vote to win.

Fine.

 

[falconfan]

No Shane's really upset about it. He told Jeff in his post-eviction interview that he's not voting for Dan.

I'm not saying he will or he won't. I'm saying I've seen plenty of people say they wouldn't give so and so a vote only to do it in the end.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

I'm not saying he will or he won't. I'm saying I've seen plenty of people say they wouldn't give so and so a vote only to do it in the end.

That's absolutely true. Although in this case it would be a HUGE turn around. Shane isn't just upset. He's saying outright he never wants to see Dan again after the game, doesn't want to talk to him ever again, doesn't respect him on a personal level. It's actually really shocking. I could see him getting over that if he had 1) weeks in the jury to simmer down and/or 2) someone he hated even more than Dan in the F2, but neither of that is the case.

That said, Dan would certainly have a better chance for his vote against Ian than Danielle.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Remember when Janelle said, "Screw you Mike Boogie, I hope you lose!" and then he did? Ah...good times.

 

[Adrock-JD]

^ I feel the same way about Dan. Unfortunately, I also feel he was the stronger player out of the final four. He manipulated a lot of people. They are the idiots, not him.

 

[falconfan]

That's absolutely true. Although in this case it would be a HUGE turn around. Shane isn't just upset. He's saying outright he never wants to see Dan again after the game, doesn't want to talk to him ever again, doesn't respect him on a personal level. It's actually really shocking. I could see him getting over that if he had 1) weeks in the jury to simmer down and/or 2) someone he hated even more than Dan in the F2, but neither of that is the case.

That said, Dan would certainly have a better chance for his vote against Ian than Danielle.

That level of outrage is always stupid to me. Shane was planning on cutting Dan next (at least he thought he and Danielle would). Basically though, I just feel like the way deliberations are going to go it's going to be Brittney vs Frank round two and I see Shane listening to Brit and softening on the idea of 'morality' in the game.

Because lets be honest, Shane isn't a saint himself in this game. He promised on two occasions to protect Frank and both times nominated him with the hope of evicting him. He can blame those actions on Dan all he wants, and when he did it in the house I assumed it was to escape Frank's bad graces, but HE did it.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

That level of outrage is always stupid to me. Shane was planning on cutting Dan next (at least he thought he and Danielle would). Basically though, I just feel like the way deliberations are going to go it's going to be Brittney vs Frank round two and I see Shane listening to Brit and softening on the idea of 'morality' in the game.

Because lets be honest, Shane isn't a saint himself in this game. He promised on two occasions to protect Frank and both times nominated him with the hope of evicting him. He can blame those actions on Dan all he wants, and when he did it in the house I assumed it was to escape Frank's bad graces, but HE did it.

Of course I completely agree with all of this. But it wouldn't be the first time a jury member voted hypocritically.

I think you're right about the jury coming down to Britney vs Frank, but they won't know who the finalists are until Finale night (when it's too late) and it's not like BB10 where Keesha could be an effective advocate for Dan because she already knew by F3 who she wanted to win (she didn't care for Memphis or Jerry at all). That's probably not the case with Britney and Frank.

To have real jury influence you need to spend time really selling your candidate and that's less effective to do if you're hedging your bets all "OK if it's Dan vs Ian, vote this way, but if it's Dan vs Danielle, vote that way." You know?

I mean if this were pre-BB11 where they actually had a few days between the last eviction and the finale for the jury to deliberate and question the F2, then they'd know who the F2 was and could calibrate their jury influence accordingly. But since everything goes down on Finale (sheesh, they didn't even show us the winner of Part 1 tonight) they're probably forced to just go with their #1 like and dislike right now, which means Britney is probably tooting Ian's horn hoping he'll be in the F2, while Frank is bashing Dan hoping Danielle is in the F2.

 

[spike1000]

Im thinking... whoever takes Dan to the final two... will win it all... half of the people in the jury are there because of Dan... im gonna throw it out there and say Ian will win it all! (good for that super fan and college student!) GOOOO IAN!

 

[WesOxford]

Weirdly, Dan was talking to the cameras last night and saying it might be in his own best interest to throw the Final HOH, and let Ian take him to the end, so he won't have to evict Danielle himself. He seems to think he has a better shot at winning against Ian although I have NO IDEA WHY.

I saw this, and I was shocked... I barely think he has a shot against Dani... but I think if Ian makes it to the end, he will win against anybody

 

[falconfan]

Dan has said to Ian roughly a million times today that he's going to take Ian no matter what if he wins. That would seem like he's trying to keep Ian's guard down so he won't fight as hard in Part 3 (Just don't see it happening. You don't come this far to risk it). But he's also telling the camera he might throw it and let Ian cut Dani. Many people on Jokers are speculating he's trying to mislead the producers and actually trying to win the Prt 3 comp. I think more likely than not he's just trying to keep his options open.

What I do think is an interesting thought, however, is that Part 3 is not a memorization challenge. It's about knowing the contestants and being able to predict their answers so I don't know if Ian actually has an advantage here. I will be genuinely curious to see how ti all plays out.

 

[falconfan]

Also, somewhat humorously, Dan told Ian "I could never see you being a bitter juror" and Ian confirmed that to him.... ummm Ian... maybe don't tell the guy you want to stay loyal to him that you'll still vote for him... that is all.

 

[slipintothefog]

Edit: never mind. Mistaken.

 

[falconfan]

Is that confirmed? In Jordan's season, wasn't part three the infamous "roll a ball with the name of the evicted houseguest in a hole" competition that some people whined about being a horribly dumbed down F3 comp for Jordan's benefit?

NO it's not been officially confirmed. Just traditionally.

 

[slipintothefog]

I was wrong anyway, the ball rolling comp was part 2.