Re: Big Brother 16
2nd half of the debate from Jokers. It seems like Zach has no traction and is spinning the fuck out. Derrick is subtly convincing Cody to keep Caleb (who Cody actually wants to nominate) while Frank is pushing too hard to keep Caleb and Christine/Nicole are just observing.
Frankie and Derrick ask everyone who the biggest threat to their game is.
Christine: Brittany, Jocasta, Donny.
Nicole: One Brittany.
Derrick asks Christine: Why those 3?
Christine: Because they're the only ones who said out of their mouths that they would put me up.
Nicole: Same. She said I'm her target.
Christine to Frankie: Who's yours?
Frankie: I'd say Brittany, Jocasta.
Zach: Everybody's just naming people that they're not friends with.
Christine: No, no, no! I'm naming people who have said my name out of their mouths.
Frankie: I'm naming people who have said my name out of their mouths.
Cody (talking very fast, and sharply): I'm just going to say it while I'm HOH. Caleb's the biggest threat to my game, I'm not sending him home this week, if I go home I'm putting it on all you guys. Caleb, I've said it a F'ing million times, this kid's my only threat to be honest. Up front, to my face in the house. Brittany is the 2nd one because I threw her up on the block. That's a fact. So sending them both home, I just think that Caleb will strike at me but I know that Brittany has got her eyes on all 3 of you (Christine, Nicole and Zach)
Frankie: All 4 of us.
Cody: And Frankie as well.
Zach: But you need to worry about your own game, not our F'ing games.
Nicole is sitting behind Zach and looking around, looking wide eyed and speechless.
Derr: You put Caleb up. Caleb's probably gonna go home. And then you (Cody) are gonna roll the dice that Brittany doesn't win HOH and still throw you on the block.
Zach: Brittany's dead! (from the soccer punishment) She won't be able to walk on Thursday!
Derr: What if she wins HOH and throws him up on the block and says, "Cody you're not my target but you put me up on the block so I gotta put you up.
Zach: She puts him up with us 2 (Derrick and Zach) and we hope that one of us wins the veto. But if he doesn't put Caleb up, Caleb's coming after him!
Everyone, including Nicole, erupts in disagreement.
No he's not!!
Frankie: He's NOT coming after him, you're the ONLY one that's freaking out about this.
Derr: But I will say this in his (Zach's) defense, the only thing he's saying that's making sense is he's (Caleb) gonna come after you (Cody). He's gonna come after you.
Nicole: Wait. Why are you so gung ho about getting Caleb out over Brittany? Is it better for your game?
Zach: No, it's better for his (Cody's). It doesn't affect my game. If Brittany puts me up, she puts me up and I have the numbers to F'ing stay. I'm not worried about that. If I get put up on the block, I get put up on the block. I'm not as scared as you guys to go home. And that's the way I'm thinking this game and it's F'ing helping me right now. I don't give a F about going home. If I get put up on the block, you guys are gonna keep me here and I know that.
Zach continues: So let's send Caleb home, (points to Cody) this is your chance to do it, make a F'ing big move, it's better for YOUR F'ing game, stop worrying about us.
Frankie: I don't think Caleb would go home. I'm telling you that.
Zach: It's cause you have Caleb in your back pocket.
Frankie: Caleb is not coming for me in this game.
Zach: Exactly! (turns to Nicole) Are you understanding what I'm saying?
Nicole: I get what you're saying but..
Cody: I do think that Caleb's also loyal but I think that he'll...I don't think I'm his target right now but when he's in power, if I so much as am laying next to Amber he might be like, F it. I'm putting him up.
Zach: Without a doubt.
Derr: That's the truth. We all agree with that. He absolutely could. But then with that being said, again you kinda said it best. You have to make a decision that is best for your game. Zach is right. But that doesn't mean a spontaneous reaction this week just to prove that Caleb's gone. You have to think what's good for your game long term.
Derr continues: So you send Caleb home, right? And then Amber and Brittany win HOH and put 4 of the guys up.
Zach: But they can't send 4 home at once though.
Derr: But they can send one of us and Zach, I'm gonna be honest with you. If I'm one of those 4 that gets sent home then I guess it wasn't good for my game, was it? Right?
Zach: Probably not. But you're not the one making the decision this week.
Derr: No sh**! But we been saying all week that Brittany's going home and then you come up here and you go "you know what, now I think Caleb should go home."
Frankie: But this isn't a selfish game. You can't play this game for only you because if he (points at Cody) F's me over by sending Caleb home then he's made an enemy from us.
Cody; Listen 150% you saw how much I wanted to put Caleb after yesterday. But literally thinking about it, Caleb will individually come after me but I DO have the numbers. Caleb doesn't have the numbers and Brittany is going to come after you, him, her, him...
Zach: But they can't send all of us home in 1 week.
Cody and Derrick say that they can't keep winning HOH, eventually the other side will win it.
Nicole reminds Zach that Amber and Brittany said they were putting up 4 guys.
Zach: You can't trust anything that any of them say!
Frankie says Brittany would put up Zach, Frankie, Nicole and Christine (in case of double HOH again). He says he's not voting to keep her if she puts up the 4 of them.
Zach: We all trust each other here to keep each other. We have the numbers. There's 6 votes sitting in this room.
Frankie: (Sits up and points finger) Listen. You don't understand what you're saying! Brittany is manipulating Amber, who is manipulating Caleb. You get rid of Brittany, Amber and Caleb are FINE.
Christine agrees.
Frankie: Brittany is the head of the snake.
They all agree that if Caleb goes up, he's going home.
Zach says: Ok, what if Caleb wins HOH next week and he back doors you? (Cody)
Christine: How's he gonna back door Cody?!! We have the votes.
Zach: Then we have the votes to keep ME if Brittany puts me up. It's the same F'ing thing!!
Frankie: We don't have the numbers to keep all 4 of us, if all 4 of us are put on the block.
Cody: That's one of our numbers gone next week, if that does happen.
Zach: Alright, whatever.
Frankie: And it would throw the house into utter chaos and disarray.
Zach: Everyone in this room is scared of Brittany going after them.
Derr: No, I'm not! She's coming after you. (points at Zach)
Zach: EXACTLY! I'm not GONNA go, that's the thing!
Derr: If she puts up you and Christine...
Zach: And we don't win the Veto.
Christine: Which is a possibility!
Derr: Did you ever think Victoria was going to win the Veto?
Zach: I just think Cody needs to play the game for himself.
Cody: But I'm playing the game with a group of people. And if I go home for that, I'll be ok with it. I'll be pissed but...
Zach: I care the least in this room about going home. And she's going after ME. We have the numbers to keep whoever we want. And Caleb's a number today but is he gonna be a number NEXT Thursday? You don't know.
Christine: Yes. Pretty sure.
Zach: Pretty sure, but not 100% confident are you?
Derr: Hey dude, roll the dice. Throw Caleb up there. We'll send him home. And when Brittany wins, that's us 4 on the block and I'll be coming to you (Zach) and saying, "See d**k head, now I'm goin home. Cause I'm not going home to throw you on the block and hope you come back. You're a vote to keep me if I'm on the block, right?
Zach: Yeah. No question.
Derr: So if you're gone, then where does that get me?
Cody to Zach: You need 5 votes to stay next week.
Zach: There's 5 people in this room.
Derr: But not if we're on the block with you!
Zach: You guys are just worrying about yourselves right now. You say it's for the team, but it's really not at the end of the day.
Derr: Dude. I'm telling him right now, throw Caleb up, I'll vote him out. Cause I know I'm not the target. It will be you, and we'll have to try to save you.
This same discussion revolves. Nicole tries to understand where Zach is coming from. More talk about Donny and Zach says he's not in alliance.
Christine: Why are you so sure he's not?
Zach: Because he tells me sh*t.
Christine: Oh, ok. Because Donny is so believable.
Zach: Do you talk to Donny?
Christine: I have recently, yes we've been taking long walks.
Zach: Does he talk game to you?
Christine: Yes he does.
Zach: Ok.
More discussion, just same trying to convince Zach to think about the numbers.
Cody sees Amber coming on spy cam. Zach says he's just going to leave the room and Cody tells him not to.
Zach: Why? Is that a bad game move too?
Christine: Oh my gosh.
Zach leaves the room and closes the door (I think into the adjoining bed room?)
