Bill Maher fears Islam is taking over the west

[chance1]

sort of an odd source for a non PC comment by Bill Maher

not sure if it's true but he says Mohammed is the #1 new baby's name in England

you can't make this shit up

 

[NineOfClubs]

Like that often mentioned "broken clock", even Bill Maher is right twice a day.

 

[altlover85]

Everyone, Bill Maher is far from PC. Bill Maher is also somewhat wrong in this clip as far as Juan Williams goes. He's not saying anything that is much worse than what Williams said, but he doesn't realize that.

 

[SoulSearcher]

Good for him, one more voice against the perilous Islam taking over! Citizen of a country with troops in over a 100 countries this very minute, having taken over 2 Muslim majority countries leading directly to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslims and turning millions into refugees, sure Islam is taking over! Bill is so genuine!

On another note, according to the spokesman for the Official for National Statistics, "Oliver" is the most popular baby name in the UK the past year. "Muhammed" was inflated in the tallies by politically driven patriots by combining every possible spelling and derivative of the name. while not doing the same for any other names! How clever!

As in previous years, the name Mohammed, which ranked 16th, would take top place among boys if all possible spellings were aggregated. But as a spokesman for the Official for National Statistics pointed out, this is potentially misleading if no other names are similarly combined: there were still more Olivers than Mohammeds if you count the 511 Ollies, 127 Oliviers, 124 Ollys, 16 Ollis and 9 Olis born in 2009. The merging of Harry with Henry and Jack with John would produce similar disruptions to the list.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/oct/27/oliver-top-boys-name-jack

And I'm sure the British had kindly sought the permission of the indigenous people before "taking over" everywhere they went in the past few centuries....talk about taking over!

 

[NineOfClubs]

If he were an employee of NPR, his ass would have been fired for saying that.

 

[altlover85]

Good for him, one more voice against the perilous Islam taking over! Citizen of a country with troops in over a 100 countries this very minute, having taken over 2 Muslim majority countries leading directly to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslims and turning millions into refugees, sure Islam is taking over! Bill is so genuine!

I guess you wouldn't mind living in an Islamic country then?

My ancestors probably did shitty things. It doesn't mean I should be punished for it.

 

[SoulSearcher]

I guess you wouldn't mind living in an Islamic country then?

My ancestors probably did shitty things. It doesn't mean I should be punished for it.

Yeah, sit there and keep guessing. How did you get to that guess of yours? Nothing I said above would lead a reasonable sensible person to get there. What names British citizens and residents choose to give their newborns is not up for commentary as far as I'm concerned, for causing Islamophobic alarm nor for any other xenophobic agenda. My point was that if we want to talk about people or ideologies or religions "taking over", let's really talk about who is taking over or has taken over, we can start with Iraq and Afghanistan as they are the most recent.

 

[altlover85]

Yeah, sit there and keep guessing. How did you get to that guess of yours? Nothing I said above would lead a reasonable sensible person to get there. What names British citizens and residents choose to give their newborns is not up for commentary as far as I'm concerned, for causing Islamophobic alarm nor for any other xenophobic agenda. My point was that if we want to talk about people or ideologies or religions "taking over", let's really talk about who is taking over or has taken over, we can start with Iraq and Afghanistan as they are the most recent.

I got the guess based off of what Maher said in the video about fearing a takeover.

As I've said before, I wish we weren't involved in the Middle East, but I can't control that. Much like moderate Muslims can't control extremist ones.

 

[SoulSearcher]

I got the guess based off of what Maher said in the video about fearing a takeover.

As I've said before, I wish we weren't involved in the Middle East, but I can't control that. Much like moderate Muslims can't control extremist ones.

Well, unlike most Arabs who live under American supported and armed dictatorships, you live in a free country (I assume), and so, if you pay your taxes and vote, then you are responsible for your government's actions. And Maher is a big old moron if the naming tallies make him think that Islam is taking over the UK, firstly, because his information was erroneous, and secondly, Muslim immigrants have been settled in the UK for decades now, even before the British gave up its Muslim colonies. The UK government should not have gone against the wishes of its overwhelming majority of citizens to participate in the war on Iraq, because that created terrorism in Iraq where there weren't before, and it also radicalises ordinary Muslims who are becoming increasingly convinced that all these wars and the mute response to the thousands and thousands of civilian deaths is a sign of a war on Islam itself, rather than on "terrorism".

Maher: Muhammed is the most popular name, Islam taking over the UK.
You: I'm alarmed!

Isn't that you being a little teabaggish? When the far right gets all riled up by pundits' commentaries based on incomplete or erroneous information, how do we portray them?

 

[altlover85]

Well, unlike most Arabs who live under American supported and armed dictatorships, you live in a free country (I assume), and so, if you pay your taxes and vote, then you are responsible for your government's actions.

I would hope you know it's not as simple as that. I couldn't make people not vote for GWB the second time around.

Maher: Muhammed is the most popular name, Islam taking over the UK.
You: I'm alarmed!

I'm not alarmed, but I wouldn't want to live under Sharia law. If we ever got into a war with the Middle East and lost that might be a possibility, even if it's slight.

 

[SoulSearcher]

I'm not alarmed, but I wouldn't want to live under Sharia law. If we ever got into a war with the Middle East and lost that might be a possibility, even if it's slight.

The UK has a functioning democracy, without parliamentary action, Shariah law will not be implemented in the UK. And without Congressional action, including 2/3 majority votes in Congress, it won't happen in the US either. Rest assured, you can breath now. Funny thing is that Shariah law is implemented in the Middle East by regimes that would have been long gone had they not had a client pimp relationship with the ex-colonial countries, and later the US until today. Let's forget about Shariah, and get our own governments to stop using human rights as a strategic tool, paying a blind eye to the evils of friendly governments while overthrowing those that are not. When we fund, arm, and guarantee security of those thugs that rule Muslims, we in effect support Shariah law and its implementation.

 

[altlover85]

The UK has a functioning democracy, without parliamentary action, Shariah law will not be implemented in the UK. And without Congressional action, including 2/3 majority votes in Congress, it won't happen in the US either. Rest assured, you can breath now. Funny thing is that Shariah law is implemented in the Middle East by regimes that would have been long gone had they not had a client pimp relationship with the ex-colonial countries, and later the US until today. Let's forget about Shariah, and get our own governments to stop using human rights as a strategic tool, paying a blind eye to the evils of friendly governments while overthrowing those that are not. When we fund, arm, and guarantee security of those thugs that rule Muslims, we in effect support Shariah law and its implementation.

You make an excellent point. What would you suggest we do to prevent this besides voting for representatives that don't agree with war?

 

[Orlandude]

Everyone, Bill Maher is far from PC. Bill Maher is also somewhat wrong in this clip as far as Juan Williams goes. He's not saying anything that is much worse than what Williams said, but he doesn't realize that.

Yes he does. Earlier tonight he was asked if he thought that he would be fired if he said that on NPR and he said "probably".

 

[altlover85]

Yes he does. Earlier tonight he was asked if he thought that he would be fired if he said that on NPR and he said "probably".

At 0:34 he said "Right. That's so similar to Juan Williams . . . What I'm saying, really?"

To me that contradicted the idea of him not being fired. Or maybe it just contradicted the idea that the sentiments are the same?

 

[SoulSearcher]

Tell me SoulSearcher, how do you arrive from here;
To here?

Where does the loyalty of an "ordinary muslim" lie according to you? There is some sort of connect between a UK citizen with a Pakistani heritage and an Iraqi citizen? And this connection differs if it would have been a Chinese citizen instead of an Iraqi citizen?

Yes, there is. It's called humanity. Not everyone has bought into your imagined community called the nation state where we have to fall in files behind a flag and cheer on as our governments devastate other lands. Why wouldn't a British Muslim feel the pain and sense of injustice on Iraq, especially when the rhetoric from the Empire is that of Islamophobia. I'm an Israeli Jew and I feel for the Iraqis and Afghans the same way a British Asian would. A more urgent question is why the American public does not show any outrage about the number of civilians killed by their military abroad. Where do their loyalties lie? Not in humanity?

The UK already has Shariah courts.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hing-spread-Islamic-justice-closed-doors.html

Very misleading. This system is nothing like the actual Shariah courts in theocratic regimes in Muslim majority countries. These are tribunals formed under the British Arbitration Act of 1996, under which the "sharia courts" are classified as arbitration tribunals. The rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, provided that both parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case.

The act allows disputes to be resolved using alternatives like tribunals. This method is called alternative dispute resolution, which for Muslims is what the sharia courts are.

Jewish Beth Din courts operate under the same provision in the Arbitration Act and resolve civil cases, ranging from divorce to business disputes. They have existed in Britain for more than 100 years, and previously operated under a precursor to the act.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4749183.ece

 

[kallipolis]

These are tribunals formed under the British Arbitration Act of 1996, under which the "sharia courts" are classified as arbitration tribunals. The rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, provided that both parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case.

The Jewish community in the UK also provides a similar service to those Jews who wish to have their disputes adjudicated under Mosaic Laws

 

[DesperateHouseHusband]

I never understood why so many liberals are so enamored with this man. Maybe it's because he's one of the few people that speaks truth to power, which means that he employs liberal tropes some of the time, because liberals are about everyone being equal. But there might be better advocates for the liberal point of view, but so many of them have been scared into silence by this country's center-right lean. Maybe this will put a stop to liberals lapping up everything Maher has to say, at least.

 

[unclaimedblessing]

I have also read Britain is considering deleting any reference to the Holocaust from its History books because Moslem students find it "offensive".
I find that offensive. Why should Moslem sensitivities over ride factual history?
Maher was right.

 

[SoulSearcher]

So it is out of a sense of humanity that "ordinary muslims" who have been "settled in the UK for decades" radicalise? And it is out of a sense of humanity that they blow people up in the subways of London?

Have you even been to the UK? What do you mean "they" blow up? There are Muslims in the UK of many different nationalities and thousands of native converts. You make it sound like British Muslims are going about blowing themselves up in the subways. Those handful hardly represent the British Muslim community, no more than the British soldiers who have been torturing and executing Iraqi and Afghan civilians represent all of the British military forces.

Why then don't these "ordinary muslims" "radicalise" when people are killed in China? Or Nepal? Or Myanmar? Or on Ambon? Or in India? Etc..

Because the West's relationship with Muslim majority countries are much more similar to each other (support and arming of their dictatorial rulers, bombings that mostly kill civilians with hardly any beep from your civilians, rampant Islamophobia, torture with no accountability, etc.). It's not like America is using drones to bomb wedding parties in Nepal, China or India. It's not like America has security guarantees for the upholding of the rulers of Nepal, China, and India. Radicalising could be misguided, but its inevitable if Islamophobia makes British Muslim youth feel marginalised, along with the sense of helplessness for not being able to prevent the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians in Muslim countries. I think they care about Muslim civilians for the same reasons a majority of Americans and American politicians (both left and right) don't care enough about Iraqi and Afghan civilian deaths to ever even bring it in public discourse. It's always about how your soldiers are dying, never how many thousands of innocent civilians are dying.

And I only point out the fact that it already has been implemented.

No, it hasn't, again, your assertion was misleading. This is not a Shariah court as it would be in Saudi Arabia and Iran, it is a tribunal, perfectly in line with existing British laws and provisions for civil dispute resolution, and is used by British Jews in exactly the same manner. Both parties have to consent to having these tribunals try to resolve their conflicts.

You do not get to define what constitutes Shariah law.

Neither do you. Pick up any reputable published book on Shariah law and then we can discuss if these tribunals constitute the implementation of Shariah in the UK. These deal with civil matters where parties consent to the arbitration, not hard to grasp, is it? People want to call it "shariah law in the UK" to rile up the dimwits who are Islamophobic to begin with. And btw, I just remembered talking to you in the past about Muslims, there is no point as far as I'm concerned, I remember exactly where you are coming from.

And with all this talk of "taking over", I could care less. I want to talk about those who HAVE taken over, Iraq and Afghanistan (with the installed puppet governments being rated to be the most corrupt in the world).

 

[iiiset]

Good for him, one more voice against the perilous Islam taking over! Citizen of a country with troops in over a 100 countries this very minute, having taken over 2 Muslim majority countries leading directly to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslims and turning millions into refugees, sure Islam is taking over! Bill is so genuine!

Two wrongs don't make a right; two bads don't make a good. As of this moment our values are better than theirs but are less fecund, thus need preserving.

On another note, according to the spokesman for the Official for National Statistics, "Oliver" is the most popular baby name in the UK the past year. "Muhammed" was inflated in the tallies by politically driven patriots by combining every possible spelling and derivative of the name. while not doing the same for any other names! How clever!

Hmm... I wonder how many alternate spellings of Oliver there are... there might be a few Oliviers, but their methodology makes sense here.

In all seriousness, the possibility of Islamic culture taking over Western countries seems remote at this point, and racism is never warranted. But if Muslims ever did manage to delete the secular values that have made many good things (gay acceptance, for example) possible in the West, it would be bad, bad, bad. Not troubling but tolerable, not bad but we deserve it, bad.