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Bill O'Reilly: master of the partisan press

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Bill O’Reilly Starts New Year With Another Flop

Posted: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:06:30 +0000

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Not that I’ve come to expect any different, but Bill O’Reilly rang in the new year with another bucket of flop. On his syndicated radio show today, O’Reilly continued his usual modus operandi; first, whining about how liberal the press is and how we ought to be afraid of them. In roughly the next sentence Bill than contradicts himself by saying ‘nobody cares’ about the “dangerous” liberal press. Then, apparently flipping from flop back to flip, O’Reilly then said we should be concerned about how liberal the press has become because kids listen to these liberals–and, as Bill put it, that’s ‘not freedom.’ I guess what Bill was really saying in that segment of the show was that he really hates liberals in the press and he wants you to hate them too. Hard to say given all of his flipping and flopping on that one, but maybe he’ll make up his mind one of these days.

But it get’s better folks!


O’Reilly then kicks into another gear and starts to lament about Iraq. To be fair, Bill did say “I was wrong about our going into Iraq.” But then he simply blows the whole mess off onto the Iraqis claiming that ‘the U.S. nobly handed the Iraqis their freedom, but they don’t want it–they just want to kill each other.’ Of course, it couldn’t be the Bush Administration’s fault, could it? Guess not. O’Reilly really spilled a bucket of flop as he rambled on from there claiming that he ‘thought’ a lot about the Administration’s early claims that Iraqis would would greet the U.S. as liberators was actually quite understandable because the Kuwaiti’s greeted us as liberators when, as O’Reilly put it, “we rescued their butts” during the first Gulf War. So, why shouldn’t Rummy, Cheney, Wolfowitz, and Bush have thought that would be exactly what would happen in Iraq? That’s right ladies and gentlemen Bill figured that one all out all by himself. I just have one simple question for Bill: Have you been smoking crack today? I mean really, what the hell?
Reality for O’Reilly

Dear Bill,
I caught your radio show today and thought I might be able to lend you hand on a few facts that, as your good buddy George Bush would say, will educate you. First, you are right when you said the Kuwaitis, who were no particular friends of the United States before Iraq invaded them in 1990, really did greet American forces (well, we let Arab forces enter Kuwait City first) as liberators. You get one gold star for that assessment. Second, there are a few reasons why the Kuwaitis loved us in 1991 and a few more why Iraqis don’t:
  1. We didn’t invade Kuwait because we falsely claimed they had weapons of mass destruction, or because they had ties to al Queda, or because—and this is important Bill—we decided to overthrow the Kuwaiti Royal family and install a U.S. led democracy there to give the Kuwaitis their freedom.
  2. We didn’t invade Kuwait because they were part of the Bush, Jr. “axis of evil.”
  3. We didn’t setup an occupation government in Kuwait, give billions of dollars in contracts to U.S. corporations, and we didn’t round up thousands of Kuwaitis and torture and abuse them in the most vile ways imaginable.
  4. Iraq did invade Kuwait, and Iraqi military forces did engage in systematic rape, torture, theft, and murder of Kuwaiti civilians.
  5. At the request of the legitimate Kuwaiti government, and with their full authority, and with the overwhelming support of the United Nations, and with a real coalition including a significant number of Arab countries—not the sham of a paid off coalition we used to invade Iraq—we did assemble nearly 500,000 people to expel Iraq’s forces from Kuwait.
  6. We did go to war with Iraq in 1991 because we had a strategic interest in protecting the regions oil supply from falling into the hands of Saddam Hussein.
So Bill, you’re damn right the Kuwaitis met us in the streets of Kuwait with open arms and hugs and kisses. We had just forced their oppressors out of their country. We didn’t destroy Kuwait. We didn’t completely fracture their economy, nor their society. We didn’t become their oppressors in the name of some ‘holy war’ pipe dream whipped up by a bunch of goofs who completely underestimated what would happen if we did invade and occupy Iraq, even though a plethora of experts from the Gulf War tried to warn them against doing so. Now, other than the fact that they just happen to reside in the same neighborhood, Kuwait in 1990 had about as much in common with Iraq in 2003 as Bush has with the truth over the past five years.

I will give you this though, Bill: if you could arrive at such a pinhead explanation as to why Bush and company thought Iraqis would become our lifelong pals because we invaded and occupied their country I suppose it is possible that Bush and his ‘experts’ may well have concluded the same. If so, I can see why we are truly in the crapper in Iraq, and why nothing we do at this point will change that.
 
Oh I get it

you can't/won't watch him

but you can read/post nasty things about him - and publish others nasty opines (from terrific unbiased sources I might add)

how interesting

how disingenuous

how "un liberal"

how "andreus"
 
Are you retracking your CE& P New Year Resolution's yet. ??
 
Are you retracking your CE& P New Year Resolution's yet. ??

haha

i have made a thread on the dems without mention of the repubs

I have not as of yet used the words all and republicans in conjuction

i have shown you respect as a conservative

so i have still met all my goals

thanks for helping me keep up ;)
 
Not too far into that piece, the author contradicts himself while accusing O'Reilly of it -- an accusation that's false.

Since he rather thus demonstrated his lack of competence, I didn't read farther.
 
haha

i have made a thread on the dems without mention of the repubs

I have not as of yet used the words all and republicans in conjuction

i have shown you respect as a conservative

so i have still met all my goals

thanks for helping me keep up ;)
Your welcome!!:D
 
This comes recommended: http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/entertainers/pundits/bill-oreilly/ It goes over the feud with Franken and then the horribly embarassing (for O'Reilly) confrontation with Jeremy Glick, the son of a victim of 9/11 and the WMD deadlines before he had to admit being wrong. It has a lot that really should convince people that watching his show or having any interest in what O'Reilly has to say is a waste of time.

The Glick interview:


Afterwards, Glick said, "O'Reilly's not there to debate. He's there to intimidate, he's there to bait his [guests]. And that's why, when he said that stuff about my Dad, the reason why I was calm is not because that wasn't hurtful or outrageous, it was because that's exactly what he wants to do. He wants to push your buttons."

Glick has no cred - he's way over his head spouting conspiracy theories and accusations - he is similar to Cindy Sheehan. For sure O'Reilly loses it and shouldn't have.

But please do watch the video and tell me a single thing that Glick says that is substantiated or rational
 
Alfie, that post was so full of fallacies it'd give a logic teacher headaches.

Losing a father grants credibility? Wow. Strange world you live in!


BTW -- they were both rude.
 
^ I know, Alfie; you don't like it when someone sees through your ramblings.

There was a time when America had respect for at least the terrible loses of those who, by no fault of their own, lost families members due to Bush's incompetence. Seems that ,too, has changed -- some people in America have become even more bitter and even more disconnected from reality. I knew all along most of America's cry-baby wingnuts were just crying alligator tears. Phonies? Smell them a million, billion miles away, yes, I do.

I thought O'Reilly started out treating Glick with respect, but Glick acted like an attack dog, and O'Reilly responded like a vulture. Glick proposed irrational notions, which lost him any respect O'Reilly started with, then O'Reilly, in spite of his stated intent to be civil, kept hounding the man.
Respecting someone's grief is one thing. But to introduce it as an excuse for idiocy is stretching things a little.
 
"After cutting short the interview Bill O’Reilly threatened Mr. Glick, a professor at Rutgers University and teacher in the state prisons system, with physical violence." http://www.notinourname.net/media/fox_news_oreilly2_feb03.html

Another demerit for O'Reilly!

Though I think the article (linked above) was slanted, though not excessively; it gave the impression that O'Reilly did little but attack, when he started out calmly enough. And Glick did take a far-left position, of the sort that wants to love everyone, even those who want to destroy us all.
 
Glick explained his position and O'Reilly then turned around and said "you are mouthing a far left position, that is a marginal position in this society" and then stated that Glick shouldn't be saying such a thing because O'Reilly thinks, by projecting his being offended by it, Glick's father would approve of it. Glick wasn't an attack dog before this from what I can tell, but to have O'Reilly use Glick's father, who I doubt O'Reilly knew, is an underhanded, dirty tactic that people has let Bush get away with by evoking 9/11 for years now. He still remained cool the entire time.

Speaking of underhanded tactics, other than the ad hominem of "a bunch of morons", that's rather true of attacking or dismissing someone's credibility. Usually, that's a tactic of one who can't defeat the merit of another's argument, so it is easier to dismiss the person. There are legitimate reasons to discount one's statements due to credibility, so I'm curious how Glick fails to have or lose his.

"After cutting short the interview Bill O’Reilly threatened Mr. Glick, a professor at Rutgers University and teacher in the state prisons system, with physical violence." http://www.notinourname.net/media/fox_news_oreilly2_feb03.html

Well let's put all of this into context.

The interview between O'Reilly and Glick happened nearly three years ago.

Back when I watched "The O'Reilly Factor" I distinctly remember watching this interview in it's entirety.

O'Reilly wanted to guest who's father had been a prominent member within the U.S. Government, and had died during the attacks on 9/11.

He got Glick, and when Glick didn't support O'Reilly's propaganda launched into a tirade against Glick, and the rest is history.

It also denotes the last time that I tuned into "The O'Reilly Factor," because O'Reilly showed his true colors; A mouth piece for the American Hating right-wing neocons in this country.

Good Job! :=D:
 
Oreilly has been spouting the conservative theme since I began viewing his show in Hawaii 10 years ago. He started as a shock journalist and has not changed. The unfortunate truth, for most here, is that many Americans fully support and believe what he says and hence he is a #1 Cable Opinion show and his books warp to #1 each time it hits print.

Does he do so in a argumentative manner, does he blow up people as they try to present their views? Absolutely. That thing is many Americans were doing the same in their living rooms as they watched ABC and CNN play to these views for years. CNN and the boradcast networks lost market share and therefore added more conservative viewpoints.

More of this tripe will come from our news medias. Dirt and hate sell. Kick em when their up kick em when their down....I think that was a song that summerizes what we get in media outlets.
 
Oreilly has been spouting the conservative theme since I began viewing his show in Hawaii 10 years ago. He started as a shock journalist and has not changed. The unfortunate truth, for most here, is that many Americans fully support and believe what he says and hence he is a #1 Cable Opinion show and his books warp to #1 each time it hits print.

Does he do so in a argumentative manner, does he blow up people as they try to present their views? Absolutely. That thing is many Americans were doing the same in their living rooms as they watched ABC and CNN play to these views for years. CNN and the boradcast networks lost market share and therefore added more conservative viewpoints.

More of this tripe will come from our news medias. Dirt and hate sell. Kick em when their up kick em when their down....I think that was a song that summerizes what we get in media outlets.

A tad simplistic Mazda

Not sure how often you watch - I catch him say 2x a week

He is often excellent - he is at his worst when he bullies.

When he was on Letterman, he was awesome - David was the bully and the agenda driven tyrant - Bill was logical and made Letterman look small

You must give him credit for inviting/having on those who disagree with him and when he has on 2 folks with opposite views, he gives both their time and does the usual "last word". He is not a conservative and disagrees with Bush as often or more often as agrees with him. Check it. He destroyed Ann Coulter when she was on her recent rant about the 911 wives. He does lose it sometimes. But he talks about issues with guests who see both sides.

Compare that to Keith O - who makes his case against Bush every night - 1 note Keith - look at me Keith - I'm brilliant Keith

O'Reilly has successfully taken on important campaigns - Jessica's law, going after activist judges who allow criminals to get off by providing publicity. The guys does a lot of good work

Bottom line is the JUB regulars don't agree with him politically - that's their problem with him.
 
He overbears most people who he invites on to speak on behalf of their cause. I used to watch regularly just because it stayed on while I putted around the house. Many times Bill has on complete idiot to represent their views and then he shreds him to his viewers delight. One thing that made him *better* was his display of viewer complaint mail. Most fox shows have followed suit. The only other true crusade he can be honored with is holding judges accountable for doing what we all would consider correct. Mostly focused on child abuse he will take on any issue that seems exceedingly unfair. That makexs him the people warrrior and hence his books sell.

The only true gem for me of Fox is Brit Hume and Shep. Brit is decidedly conservative and Shep I bet has liberal ideas but likes his spot as risen star that came up with Fox's star.
 
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