Biological men allowed in women's changing rooms (and other complaints) [SPLIT]

[ravenstone]

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Biological men are allowed in women's sports and changing rooms, and abortion in some blue states is allowed up to just before the baby is born. I am not anti-abortion if it's done before the fetus is viable. I also don't like how the Democrats support the hate for Jews by a lot of their followers. I think a Jewish student in an American University shouldn't have to live in fear for their life to attend.

 

[TX-Beau]

Biological men are allowed in women's sports and changing rooms, and abortion in some blue states is allowed up to just before the baby is born. I am not anti-abortion if it's done before the fetus is viable. I also don't like how the Democrats support the hate for Jews by a lot of their followers. I think a Jewish student in an American University shouldn't have to live in fear for their life to attend.

Prove it, where are these issues on the Democratic Party Platform.

2024 Democratic Party Platform | The American Presidency Project

www.presidency.ucsb.edu

Back your shit up.

Of Course you can't, because they aren't there.

You just aped the culture war bullshit and the lies on FOX,

Just like I thought.

 

[LilBit]

...abortion in some blue states is allowed up to just before the baby is born. I am not anti-abortion if it's done before the fetus is viable.

Less that 1% of abortions occur in the third trimester. Second-trimester abortions are almost as rare--they make up about 1-3 percent of all abortions in the US. In states that do allow late-term abortion, the procedure is only allowed--BY LAW--in very specific cases, mainly fetal non-viability and to protect the life and health of the mother. Contrary to der Trumpenfuhrer's alarmist rhetoric, there is not, nor has there ever been, an epidemic of late-term abortions in this country. The women who are having abortions post-viability are making a heart-rending decision to end a WANTED pregnancy.

In states with strict abortion bans, there are typically exceptions to save the LIFE of the mother, but not the HEALTH. What this means is that doctors have to wait until the mother's life is in imminent danger before they can perform a medically necessary abortion. Doctors are generally extremely cautious, because there isn't a clear line between saving the mother's life and "merely" saving her health. The result is that women are DYING (as are their fetuses!) because of strict abortion bans.

Here are just a few articles illustrating what I'm talking about:

Are Abortion Bans Across America Causing Deaths? The States That Passed Them Are Doing Little to Find Out.

The same political leaders who enacted abortion bans oversee the state committees that review maternal deaths. These committees haven’t tracked the laws’ impacts, and most haven’t finished examining cases from the year the bans went into effect.

www.propublica.org

The impact of hostile abortion legislation on the United States maternal mortality crisis: a call for increased abortion education - PMC

The growing restrictive abortion policies nationwide and the Supreme Court decision on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization place increasing barriers to abortion access in the United States. These restrictions disproportionately affect ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Georgia axes maternal health panel after abortion deaths leak

Members of the task force had told ProPublica the state's abortion ban had led to women's deaths.

www.bbc.com

A dramatic rise in pregnant women dying in Texas after abortion ban

Exclusive analysis finds the rate of maternal deaths in Texas increased 56% from 2019 to 2022, compared with just 11% nationwide during the same time period.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[KaraBulut]

Biological men are allowed in women's sports and changing rooms, and abortion in some blue states is allowed up to just before the baby is born. I am not anti-abortion if it's done before the fetus is viable. I also don't like how the Democrats support the hate for Jews by a lot of their followers. I think a Jewish student in an American University shouldn't have to live in fear for their life to attend.

The elephant in the room: these are propaganda points that the religious far right uses to distract us all from the actual agenda. They want to tell you, a member of the LGBT community, what you can do and who you can do it with. And they want to return to the days where same-sex marriage isn't legal and having sex with your same-sex partner is a crime.

Meanwhile, they're trying to convince you that there's thousands of trans people who want to lurk in bathrooms, changing rooms and athletic competitions. They want you to believe that Democrats want abortion on demand until the 40th week. They want you to buy that Jewish students are being harassed at American universities and to not pay attention to all the students being arrested and expelled for protesting what is going on in Gaza- on American campuses which have traditionally been the proponents of free speech and open debate.

When you listen to these lies, you are being distracted from what the Religious Right and the MAGA wing that dominated the national Republican Party want to do to your rights.

Please be smarter than this.

Less that 1% of abortions occur in the third trimester. Second-trimester abortions are almost as rare--they make up about 1-3 percent of all abortions in the US. In states that do allow late-term abortion, the procedure is only allowed--BY LAW--in very specific cases, mainly fetal non-viability and to protect the life and health of the mother...

In states with strict abortion bans, there are typically exceptions to save the LIFE of the mother, but not the HEALTH...

All true.

Common misconception is that Roe v Wade legalized abortion. It did not. Seven of nine justices defined a right to privacy that prevented States from punishing women who sought or obtained an abortion. The decision said that all abortions in the first 3 months of pregnancy could not be restricted or made illegal by States. It said that States could restrict abortion in the second trimester only when the State had a compelling reason to protect the unborn fetus but that the health of the mother and her right to privacy must always be considered. The Roe decision stated that abortion after the second trimester was only permissible when it was necessary to protect the life or health of the mother.

The Democratic Party platform of 2024 proposed having Congress pass a law to make the standards set in Roe the official law of the land. Since Roe did not legalize all abortions, the statement that Democrats want abortion "up to just before the baby is born" is not what is in their platform.

am not anti-abortion if it's done before the fetus is viable.

If so, you agree with the official position of the Democratic Party.

• 63% of abortions in America are medication abortions that are performed in the first trimester. That was about 650,000 abortions in 2020.
• Surgical abortions accounted for only 37% of abortions.
• Only 7% of abortions occur after the first trimester (months 4-9 of the pregnancy) and as LilBit indicated the number of abortions occurring after week 20 (in the third trimester) is 1% or less, and according to the law set out in Roe those "late term abortions" must always be to protect the mother's life or health.

 

[LilBit]

^I doubt we'll get a response.

 

[ravenstone]

Less that 1% of abortions occur in the third trimester. Second-trimester abortions are almost as rare--they make up about 1-3 percent of all abortions in the US. In states that do allow late-term abortion, the procedure is only allowed--BY LAW--in very specific cases, mainly fetal non-viability and to protect the life and health of the mother. Contrary to der Trumpenfuhrer's alarmist rhetoric, there is not, nor has there ever been, an epidemic of late-term abortions in this country. The women who are having abortions post-viability are making a heart-rending decision to end a WANTED pregnancy.

In states with strict abortion bans, there are typically exceptions to save the LIFE of the mother, but not the HEALTH. What this means is that doctors have to wait until the mother's life is in imminent danger before they can perform a medically necessary abortion. Doctors are generally extremely cautious, because there isn't a clear line between saving the mother's life and "merely" saving her health. The result is that women are DYING (as are their fetuses!) because of strict abortion bans.

Here are just a few articles illustrating what I'm talking about:

Are Abortion Bans Across America Causing Deaths? The States That Passed Them Are Doing Little to Find Out.

The same political leaders who enacted abortion bans oversee the state committees that review maternal deaths. These committees haven’t tracked the laws’ impacts, and most haven’t finished examining cases from the year the bans went into effect.

www.propublica.org

The impact of hostile abortion legislation on the United States maternal mortality crisis: a call for increased abortion education - PMC

The growing restrictive abortion policies nationwide and the Supreme Court decision on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization place increasing barriers to abortion access in the United States. These restrictions disproportionately affect ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Georgia axes maternal health panel after abortion deaths leak

Members of the task force had told ProPublica the state's abortion ban had led to women's deaths.

www.bbc.com

A dramatic rise in pregnant women dying in Texas after abortion ban

Exclusive analysis finds the rate of maternal deaths in Texas increased 56% from 2019 to 2022, compared with just 11% nationwide during the same time period.

www.nbcnews.com

So why do deep blue states have laws that allow abortions for any reason at all up until birth? Being Gay doesn't mean you have to be for the destruction of viable beings.

 

[cityboy-stl]

Why do you assume all later term abortions are healthy women with a healthy fetus that they simply want to abort? Why do you disregard the medical need to abort a non-viable fetus that could seriously, even fatally, affect the mother in the latter term? In fact, why did you disregard everything that what said in the post you responded to and just make a trolling, baiting response?

 

[rareboy]

So why do deep blue states have laws that allow abortions for any reason at all up until birth? Being Gay doesn't mean you have to be for the destruction of viable beings.

Tell us which deep blue states have these laws and also provide us with the text of the laws.

 

[ravenstone]

Tell us which deep blue states have these laws and also provide us with the text of the laws.

Nine states and Washington, D.C. do not have gestational limits on abortion, meaning that abortion is legal up to birth in these places:

Alaska, Colorado, District of Columbia, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, and Vermont.

A state-by-state breakdown of abortion laws 2 years after Roe was overturned

Where does abortion stand in your state since Roe v. Wade was overturned two years ago? ABC News has a state-by-state breakdown of abortion laws in the U.S.

abcnews.go.com

 

[rareboy]

So Alaska is now also a deep blue state?

And what about all the deep blue states that do have time restrictions?

And did you know that the reason for no restrictions is not so that women...who have been carrying around a foetus for nine months might suddenly decide her dress doesn't fit and seeks to terminate? Very late abortions are invariably because of medical necessity where the foetus may actually be dead or non viable and continuing to birth would be harmful to the mother. Or do you feel that the mother should die to save the life of the foetus? I know some far right wing folks believe that should be the case.

No time restriction provisions are there in states where the voters have decided to allow abortion to protect the legal rights of the mother, the physician and the facility from civil and criminal charges.

Your naive understanding of abortion seems to be based on the notion that women and their physician are somehow incapable of making the best medical decisions for the mother.

It is why your state seems to be in the news far too often now with horrific cases where women (and their foetuses) have been allowed to die because physicians and hospital are afraid of being held criminally liable.

But I guess you are all in favour of that.

 

[rareboy]

What do you make of West Virginia where abortion is effectively banned except:

(a) An abortion may not be performed or induced or be attempted to be performed or induced unless in the reasonable medical judgment of a licensed medical professional:

(1) The embryo or fetus is nonviable;

(2) The pregnancy is ectopic; or

(3) A medical emergency exists.

This provision would make appear to provision for late term abortions. In a deeply red state.

 

[cityboy-stl]

So why do deep blue states have laws that allow abortions for any reason at all up until birth? Being Gay doesn't mean you have to be for the destruction of viable beings.

Why do you assume all later term abortions are healthy women with a healthy fetus that they simply want to abort? Why do you disregard the medical need to abort a non-viable fetus that could seriously, even fatally, affect the mother in the latter term? In fact, why did you disregard everything that what said in the post you responded to and just make a trolling, baiting response?

No Answer? Why am I not surprised? It's like you want women bleeding out and dying in their cars in front of emergency rooms who refuse to treat them with the abortion they need to live, because the state laws prevent it. It's like you want that. But again....why am I not surprised that you refuse to answer the questions?

 

[ravenstone]

No Answer? Why am I not surprised? It's like you want women bleeding out and dying in their cars in front of emergency rooms who refuse to treat them with the abortion they need to live, because the state laws prevent it. It's like you want that. But again....why am I not surprised that you refuse to answer the questions?

I think it is a woman's right to decide up until the baby is viable, I think unless it is to save the mother's life it is murder if the baby is viable. I think the feds should pass a law allowing abortion up to viability.

 

[rareboy]

Well it is noce to know what you think.

Because your rationale would allow late term abortions with no restriction on time.

Welcome to the real world of medical science.

 

[cityboy-stl]

Produce actual evidence that a healthy woman with a healthy fetus actually receives a late-term abortion by choice. You can't. A hospital or clinic wouldn't do it. The whole premise is a red herring. State laws allowing later term abortions exist so that women who need one for medical and health reasons can get it. State laws banning abortions are so vague and confusing that doctors are afraid to provide the necessary care needed for life and health.

 

[rareboy]

Hence all the women dying needlessly in Texas...and why so many OB/Gyn practitioners are leaving that state.

 

[TX-Beau]

Produce actual evidence that a healthy woman with a healthy fetus actually receives a late-term abortion by choice. You can't. A hospital or clinic wouldn't do it. The whole premise is a red herring. State laws allowing later term abortions exist so that women who need one for medical and health reasons can get it. State laws banning abortions are so vague and confusing that doctors are afraid to provide the necessary care needed for life and health.

Everyone on the planet with the internet has access to correct information about abortion. If people persist in telling falsehoods about the whats and whys, it's because they don't care about facts and just want to be sanctimonious assholes pushing a punitive agenda to make themselves feel superior for some reason.

No one's opinion should matter except the woman and her doctor, and the gubmint should not be making law about it. The fact that the right does that, gives the lie to all that whining they do about objecting to "Big Gubmint."

Thing is, that people who refuse to even look at the subject dispassionately and refuse to educate themselves before opening their mouths are just using the issue for their own agenda and usually are either some kind of religious Nazi or some kind of misogynist asswipe.

Anti abortions laws all mean one thing, women should not be allowed to make decisions about themselves, because they can't be trusted to do so.

 

[ravenstone]

Everyone on the planet with the internet has access to correct information about abortion. If people persist in telling falsehoods about the whats and whys, it's because they don't care about facts and just want to be sanctimonious assholes pushing a punitive agenda to make themselves feel superior for some reason.

No one's opinion should matter except the woman and her doctor, and the gubmint should not be making law about it. The fact that the right does that, gives the lie to all that whining they do about objecting to "Big Gubmint."

Thing is, that people who refuse to even look at the subject dispassionately and refuse to educate themselves before opening their mouths are just using the issue for their own agenda and usually are either some kind of religious Nazi or some kind of misogynist asswipe.

Anti abortions laws all mean one thing, women should not be allowed to make decisions about themselves, because they can't be trusted to do so.

So are you saying you support aborting viable babies? The law should state the life of the mother has to be in danger to murder a viable baby.

 

[TX-Beau]

So are you saying you support aborting viable babies? The law should state the life of the mother has to be in danger to murder a viable baby.

you really think you're going to sucker me into a fake argument about things you invented for me to support?

LOL

No thank you.

 

[ravenstone]

you really think you're going to sucker me into a fake argument about things you invented for me to support?

LOL

No thank you.

Thanks, I got my answer.