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bisexuality... kool

Kulindahr

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I really wanted to add a post in the bisexuality sticky, but since it's closed....

I really appreciate the resources there! I've gotten a LOT of trash, from bigotry to ignorance to stupidity and back again, on the topic since joining JUB. That should be required reading for more than a few members.
 
I agree with bisexuality being "kool", though I do have to say I am a virgin on both fronts I think it is rude to exclude and those who tell me they are bi say it is great. While I do not shun either solid decision, more power to you in fact, I just think at this point I am happy saying bi.
 
You don't know me, but you can add me to your list of pro-bisexual people. :D I'm a questioning, straight (?) guy. I'm in a good mood right now. I just had a really great conversation with a real-world person about sexuality, and other things. I'm also a newbie, and want to express thanks yet again to all the nice people here. Of course, for all I know, you could be a bunch of really smart (and possibly bi-curious) German Shepherds who've been taught to type.
 
I'm gay but I sympathize with bisexuals being discriminated against even by other gay men. In its current state, "bisexual" in itself is a loaded term - it makes no distinction between guys who are merely willing to have sex with other guys and guys who can actually hold a relationship with either sex.

Also I think some gay guys are spiteful of bisexuals - from our perspective, they can enjoy sex with women OR men and they can discreetly settle down and raise a family afterwards while the rest of society doesn't bat an eyelash. That's, of course, an unfair assessment of the matter but I can understand the reasoning behind it.
 
I'm gay but I sympathize with bisexuals being discriminated against even by other gay men. In its current state, "bisexual" in itself is a loaded term - it makes no distinction between guys who are merely willing to have sex with other guys and guys who can actually hold a relationship with either sex.

Also I think some gay guys are spiteful of bisexuals - from our perspective, they can enjoy sex with women OR men and they can discreetly settle down and raise a family afterwards while the rest of society doesn't bat an eyelash. That's, of course, an unfair assessment of the matter but I can understand the reasoning behind it.

True enough -- a survey of male high school juniors and seniors found that when given the definition "I can enjoy sex with boys or girls", over 40% defined themselves as bisexual; over 80% fell into the category if it was "I have had sex with both boys and girls and enjoyed it" -- a subtle but real difference. When the stgatement was something like "When I want sex, a boy or a girl will do equally well", the percentage fell down around 10%.

As for the spiteful bit, I haven't met anyone with that attitude, though I have been told it was unfair because if bisexuals wanted kids, they could do it the ordinary way and enjoy it, but gay men had to use "extreme measures".
 
Several people on this board are spiteful towards bisexuals...for whatever reason they may have. I've debated with many of them. I myself am not bisexual, but my boyfriend of ten years is.

I can understand some of the frustration. I myself can't stand the mentality of "I can fuck a guy, but I could never have romantic feelings for one." I've had a guy pull this on me and so I asked him; "So you're just around me because you want to fuck me?" and his response was; "No, I'm around you because I can talk to you about things that I can't other people and you make me laugh."...and he wanted to fuck me...but he could only have romantic feelings for a woman??? I don't get it. I actually tried to get into a conversation with someone on this board who had these feelings so that I might understand it better and he got too defensive to even begin the conversation.

To me, a true bisexual is someone who can fall in love with either a man or a woman, not just cum in them.
 
I'm not sure I agree with the statement that a "true bisexual" must be able to fall in love with both a man and a woman. I think attraction is a really complicated thing, and physical attraction, emotional attraction, intimacy, etc., aren't always connected. Sometimes, they arrive at different times for the same person, and sometimes you have one type of attraction for one person and another type for someone else. It would be ideal if they all came in a single package, but that's not necessarily the case, and there often isn't a thing we can do about it. That said, I can see how it can be annoying if a guy only wants you for sex and swears off any potential for a real relationship.
 
Defining a "ture" bisexual is iffy... maybe a "true" bisexual is one who won't settle for a man OR a woman, but needs one of both?

Just to balance the perspective, I once met a guy who said he could only have romantic feelings for guys, but that he'd fuck girls for fun any day -- so, they come in both flavors. And somewhere there's probably a guy who enjoys sex with either or both, but can't have romantic feelings at all.

And as the respources in the "sticky" post point out, being bisexual can be a stage or phase -- as can being homosexual or heterosexual. None of us are as cut and dried as we may think.

I can really relate to the "phase" part -- I'm seasonal! In the dark wintry times, I can get it up for a chick if she's really, really hot and sweet, but one on three guys I pass by looks hot to me; in the summer, it isn't quite the other way around. So I'm off-center from a "perfect" bi, toward guys -- and that's different than it was when I first came out, so who knows where I'm headed?
 
Sex is all good & should be fun, it's about people who connect, I don't think anyone should limit themselves to a label created by another.
 
Allow me to pick your brains...

I've been chewing over some of these ideas for a while, and they've just recently coalesced (in the shower of all places), so I want to get them down while they're still fresh:

Now, according to C.G. Jung, we create an idealized counterpart, the Anima or Animus (corresponding to the opposite gender--mind you this is before Kinsey and such). We then project this ideal onto potential partners, with the resultant frustration stemming from the real person's inability to live up to our ideal. Thus we create patterns in relationships, often leaving us burnt out after a series of repetitive experiences. The trick, he says, is to realize that those aspects of the ideal (the anima/animus) are actually a part of you, and that your search for those aspects in others is merely a misguided attempt at making yourself feel whole and complete.

Ok, theory aside, here's the situation. I've spent most of my life chasing women (apparently I was a terrible flirt as a child), but quietly watching men as well. Almost all of my romantic relationships with women have been modeled after a friendship I had with an older woman when I was little. My girlfriends (usually older) have been beautiful, strong-willed, intelligent, and yet, never enough. They were not her.

More recently, I have found myself pursuing men. They are usually younger, somewhat immature, and tend to have a particular boyishness to them. This frustrated me endlessly. I could not explore this as much I have with women, because of societal and personal constraints. After one of my messier entanglements (love triangles suck btw), I discovered the pattern mentioned above. What I say now constitutes my most recent realization: If indeed, that older woman was the model (the ideal) for my relationships with women, then I should also have a similar model for my relationships with men.

It was a painful process, but fruitful nonetheless. I found that I did not remember my childhood well, that I did not remember being young, or really, for that matter, being a boy. I've had this sense of adulthood, of overbearing maturity, since I was little. It was that youth, that lost sense of childhood that I was pursuing in other men.

And so here I am: chasing after older women and younger men, longing for those parts of me that I have dissociated from myself. For me, that is what it means to be "bisexual". Perhaps the genes come first and the psychodynamics second, I don't know. I do know that I am frustrated, by labels that prevent intelligent reflection, by fears that keep half of myself hidden, and by relationships that are not fulfilling.

I don't have all the answers. I doubt anyone really does. But I do know that genuine discussion helps foster growth. Thanks for hearing me out. I look forward to any and all responses.:D
 
I, too, have been thankful for the resources here. Lately I've been questioning my sexuality, and I've realized that guys turn me on, but then again, so do women. Hmmm....you know, maybe this isn't so bad after all. Get the best of both worlds!
 
bisexuals you formally have the support of a homosexual... not that it means much... but my opinion is bi is perfectly cool... i have no problems what so ever... in fact if i dated a bi guy i wouldn't mind it in the least... theres nothign about it that bugs me
 
Looking for the definition of a "true bisexual" is a loaded quest. By its very definition you are viewing the world through a "fundamentalist" viewpoint. Now I understand in some peoples mind you need such a thing to keep things pure (for example religion, I respect the idea of a person practicing a fundamentalistic religion but ultimately I find it destructive to the self). Because fundamentalism is by its very nature exclusionary and about control, it can be destructive. I find it abhorant that someone wants to do this to sex, feelings, intimacy and ultimately happiness. Why are you trying to twist something so beautiful, all in the name of making a literal adherence to your perspective of the world. Why do you need to make everything so precise and pigeonholed? Why can't you just appreciate the beauty of the complicated thing?
 
Whatever floats your boat....people should do everything in their power to be happy as long as it does not imbridge on someone elses happiness.
 
I wonder if the term in and of itself is the problem. After all, "bi" implies a dichotomous relationship, with heterosexual and homosexual being terminals. It shares a similar function to the term "manic-depressive" in attempting to encapsulate two concepts posited as polar opposites. While identity politics drew the personal into the political, it also drew clear and somewhat arbitrary lines. Heterosexuals to one side, homosexuals to the other, and the rest, well, you shouldn't exist.

Bisexual, transgender, transexual, they all become mere phases on your way to one end or the other. So what's the purpose?

Cooley suggested that we define ourselves in part by others and by what others think of us. It's much easier to formulate an identity when you have limited options. I am, or I am not. You are, you are not. I am like you, I am not like you. Like a logic test, identity becomes series of yes and no questions. If all other options are merely steps toward yes or no, then all you must do is follow the sequence. Lo and behold, you are at your destination. You belong. And to think, all you had to sacrifice were complexity, doubt, and integrity.

I am Me, and me is like you in some ways, and unlike you in others. Me is always changing, growing, evolving. Don't try to pin me down, or I'll wither and die.
 
sublimeinfinity, I think that may just be the best post by a newbie that I've ever seen!

Your point about the little syllable "bi" intrigues me. If we want to be descriptive, what should we use -- multisexual? pansexual?

Hmmm... I like "pan", because of the link to mythology....
 
I'm bisexual, I've can picture myself in a relationship with both girls and guys. In fact last week I asked a girl I've been hanging out with on and off this summer if she wanted to date but i got slapped with "I wanna be friends", happens with me a lot. I flirt with girls more so than guys because that who I'm around most often, but I flirt with guys that I think are interested in me, like the dude that I fooled around with back in May and I haven't heard from him since. I check out guys more so than girls, and I fantasize being sexual with guys more than girls.
 
Kulindahr, thank you for starting this thread. It's one of the best threads of bisexuality that I've seen in my years at JUB. I also appreciate your nice comments concerning the bisexual sticky. (I debated whether to leave it open, or close it. I closed it because I wanted it to be a resource and not an avenue for debate--thinking that those kinds of conversations/debates could happen elsewhere.)

Anyway, I appreciate you bringing your thoughts into the open on this, and appreciate the thoughtful contributions of everyone in this thread. There isn't a day goes by that I don't learn some things on here.

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