"Bisexuality On The Rise" claims new UK stats.

[peeonme]

There are also different definitions of homosexual. I believe the 10% originaled in the Kinsey report in the 50s and he used a definition of anyone who had had a homosexual experience. More recent estimates are closer to 1%.

I figure the percent to be higher if those who suppress their sexuality are included. Again, it's the definition, is one gay if they have never had sex with a male, have had sex with females and fantasize about both? Perhaps they find guys hotter and just won't admit it to themselves.
There is really no way to know.

 

[kallipolis]

Labels speak little, or nothing of the person sucking my penis.

 

[pat grimshaw]

... the person sucking my penis.

Do you reciprocate?

 

[kallipolis]

^Never on a Sunday.

 

[pat grimshaw]

 

[Alnitak]

It isn't a requirement in HT to provide commentary and a quote but it is a courtesy to do so. Thank you Kahaih

I don't believe the incidence is rising, but rather it is being more reported as others mentioned because more people feel comfortable admitting to both polls and themselves that they are somewhere else on the rainbow than merely straight.

 

[NotHardUp1]

My recollection from over a decade here is that bisexuals among gay men suffer from more animus than even the transexuals. I can remember perhaps a handful of open trans members here actively posting in Hot Topics. The bisexuals have numbered perhaps several times that, but they were targeted much more often.

And it wasn't just Soilwork's insulting slaps or bombastic reductions of them. Many members here either disbelieve bisexuals are anything more than unresolved closeted gays. Then there are those who seem to have a goal of getting a bisexual to say that they can swing both ways but of course they would want to prefer gay men because that seems to be the wish of the gay man making that observation.

Next there are those who seemed to be unable to discuss bisexuality without invariably reducing the context to monogamy versus other models, complete with an attendant proposition that bisexuals are by definition untrustworthy because they are somehow more unfulfilled and more uncontrolled in their sexual desires and actions than gays or straights.

I've witnessed people here practically tarred and feathered by some of our trolls, and that after openly standing as bisexuals and taking a ton of flak for it. Among those, I watched blackbeltninja pretty much made miserable on this forum until he withdrew after years of regular and civil membership. His loss from us is still a bitter one and I'm truly sad for members like him who have been made to feel disrespected and unwelcome.

To this thread's more specific premise, I believe the same as others here, that a more tolerant attitude in the general population has led to more gays, bisexuals, lesbians, and others coming out, not to more actual incidence.

 

[kallipolis]

^Anyone choosing to post on this site needs a thick skin to survive, what ever their perceived sexual identity, age, nationality, or political affiliation.

In blackbeltninja's case he became fed up with the progressive decline in interesting discussion, rather than anything to do with his perception of self as "bisexual."

 

[pat grimshaw]

... he became fed up with the progressive decline in interesting discussion...

I'm assuming that's why my belovèd Belamo left.

 

[kallipolis]

I'm assuming that's why my belovèd Belamo left.

You would know better than the rest of us

 

[NotHardUp1]

In blackbeltninja's case he became fed up with the progressive decline in interesting discussion, rather than anything to do with his perception of self as "bisexual."

PMs and BBN's public post informed me otherwise.

 

[kallipolis]

^One would need to ask why a university lecturer spent so many years posting here, with his label attracting so much ire?

 

[NotHardUp1]

That is for him to answer to be sure, but I know how often he posted openly of being sick of being attacked for it, in addition to his private comments to me.

My read is that he is plenty tough, but it does get old over time.

 

[kallipolis]

That is for him to answer to be sure, but I know how often he posted openly of being sick of being attacked for it, in addition to his private comments to me.

My read is that he is plenty tough, but it does get old over time.

I always had the impression that our South Africa friend was hyper sensitive....with a disposition to assuming he knew better, an open invitation to our more vocal members to be less than polite with their replies to his posts.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Maybe the difference between perceiving hypersensitive versus defending a just cause is the difference in whether the cause needed vigilant defending.

I guess I was prone to see Luckynumbah7's responses in similar vein originally until I considered how rare the trans post has been here. Without LN7's posts, it would almost be silent.

 

[kallipolis]

Maybe the difference between perceiving hypersensitive versus defending a just cause is the difference in whether the cause needed vigilant defending.

I guess I was prone to see Luckynumbah7's responses in similar vein originally until I considered how rare the trans post has been here. Without LN7's posts, it would almost be silent.

Defensive behaviour is a common trait witnessed here daily.

In the case of our South African friend there was, in my opinion no justification for his defensiveness...when considering that he was well able to out manoeuvre most hostile posters on any topic that aroused the passions.

Self deception is a topic that needs some airing here.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Maybe the difference between perceiving hypersensitive versus defending a just cause is the difference in whether the cause needed vigilant defending.

I guess I was prone to see Luckynumbah7's responses in similar vein originally until I considered how rare the trans post has been here. Without LN7's posts, it would almost be silent.

I disagree with the last statement, obviously. To me there's oodles of essentialist shit here that affects how people perceive/interact with gender & sex and it oozes over to trans people. It's not that it doesn't include trans people, it's that you rarely bother to point out the dropoff unless you're trying to be particularly insulting. I can't count the number of times I've seen people state they don't wanna have to ask a possible partner about being trans, and it isn't because being such is considered a benign aspect of a person.

There's shit everywhere tho, and no more here than anywhere else. What it isn't is considerably less than anywhere else.

If I didn't say anything, no snide remarks, no information, people have a tendency to just let that slide with some nods and knowing smiles. - Hell, most of the time it slides by anyway, I've no interest in pointing out every essentialistly fucked statement.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Shorter version - Eventually maybe we can get closer to "People can do what they want with mannerisms/clothing/behavior and won't be actively policed quite so much about what's real vs fake.

An example, the next time I have to see 'real men' (of which there's usually complaints of the lack) wax poetic with a list on what a decent man is I'm afraid I'm gonna have to go with "Suffered through a lot of shitty fucks, have you?" Because the only people left to screw would be the people who didn't embody those positive attributes; ie, women. And men getting blamed for having womanly attributes. There's actually spots under that designation, it's why nobody wants to ask their date if they're trans. I'd say 90% of what I type regarding trans or gender variant items are from a generalized list of answers because there's a set level of godawful ignorance that people feel uncomfy climbing out of.

But to say it's not present unless I type something in a response and bring it up in the first place? Oh my no. If only, man. If only.

 

[luckynumbah7]

...Actually, hold that thought.

What kind of statement is "That transphobia doesn't exist unless Lucky's here? He brought it out"

You do know I'm not the only trans person here, yes? I can think of at least 4 more people with that particular designation here that I've seen/spoken to in the last 2 years or so. That includes them typing such on the board. If your mind is drawing a blank and assuming shit ain't here until I type something then I suggest spelunking through the archives. It's usually pretty quiet but once in a blue moon you'll note that someone trans THAT ISN"T ME fuckin' said something.

And if people failed to pay attention to someone else saying their identity is something other than what another member assumes then that's on the lot who failed.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

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