Bob McDonnell and Wife Indicted On Criminal Corruption Charges

[Jack Springer]

You've never provided a single shred of evidence that the Obamas are partying on tax dollars or "gifts" from people who sway their policymaking. Ever.

And I know with regard to their trips to Hawaii you're pulling crap out of your ass because my dad friggin knows the guy they rent a house from in Kahala.

The Obama's don't make enough money to provide themselves with the vacation they just had in Hawaii. I'm not accusing the Obama's of breaking the law -- I'm saying it seems about the same thing the McDonnell's did.

 

[xbuzzerx]

The Obama's don't make enough money to provide themselves with the vacation they just had in Hawaii. I'm not accusing the Obama's of breaking the law -- I'm saying it seems about the same thing the McDonnell's did.

The Obamas became millionaires after the publication of Obama's book. They hadn't been beforehand. You also make what, 300k a year or something being President?

Yes, they can afford the house. I have vacationed multiple times in exactly the same neighborhood and I am nowhere near as wealthy as they are.

 

[CowboyBob]

Who paid for Michelle's 50th birthday bash and the family's recent vacation in Hawaii?

The Obama's don't make enough money to provide themselves with the vacation they just had in Hawaii. I'm not accusing the Obama's of breaking the law -- I'm saying it seems about the same thing the McDonnell's did.

Why do you have to fucking derail EVERY thread?

 

[xbuzzerx]

Obama's favorite place to eat in Hawaii --- my family and I have always eaten here since I was a little kid.



Those Obamas, living so high on the hog.

 

[CowboyBob]

Off topic, but Obama's Net Worth Between $1.8M And $6.8M. That should be enough for them to take a vacation in his home state. Shit, even I can afford a flight to Honolulu, and I'm not worth anywhere near that.

Go back on topic and discuss McDonnell and wife's blatant corruption.

 

[Jack Springer]

The Obamas became millionaires after the publication of Obama's book. They hadn't been beforehand. You also make what, 300k a year or something being President?

Yes, they can afford the house. I have vacationed multiple times in exactly the same neighborhood and I am nowhere near as wealthy as they are.

Be a nice liberal and share the wealth with everyone then -- especially me.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Be a nice liberal and share the wealth with everyone then -- especially me.

I want your employer to pay you a proper wage so that you can both live and spend some money and help the economy, rather than hoarding it in a Cayman Islands account or accounting loopholes. The assertion that liberals just want to take money out of the bank accounts of rich people and give it as per capita checks to everyone else is your own myth.

 

[CowboyBob]

I'm listening to reports on what Governor Ultrasound and his moll did. They're pure sleaze personified.

They better get prison time or the USA is truly a plutocracy.

 

[Vitamin]

Guys . . . if you are truly honest there is not much difference in a governor hitting up someone for perks versus a president hitting someone up for perks like birthday parties, vacations, etc.

Can you honestly say that others (including past republican and democrat governors and presidents) didn't get the same 'goods' as Bob McDonnell got and they aren't be prosecuted?

Politicians do things for others -- it's the way politics works -- if you think that congressmen and senators sponsor bills because they feel so strongly for a cause, you are being very naive. It happens on both sides of the aisle.

Well, this is essentially the McDonnell's defense. According to their lawyers "you would have to arrest every politician in America today" or something along those lines if the Feds get a conviction. They claim the government is overreaching and has no case. Supposedly only pursuing the case for political reasons.

I'm going to opine that's a pitiful defense, unbecoming a Governor of my State.

 

[Jack Springer]

Well, this is essentially the McDonnell's defense. According to their lawyers "you would have to arrest every politician in America today" or something along those lines if the Feds get a conviction. They claim the government is overreaching and has no case. Supposedly only pursuing the case for political reasons.

I'm going to opine that's a pitiful defense, unbecoming a Governor of my State.

Again, I ask you who paid from the Obama family's month long vacation in Hawaii and Michelle's big birthday bash?

 

[xbuzzerx]

Again, I ask you who paid from the Obama family's month long vacation in Hawaii and Michelle's big birthday bash?

The Obamas did. Certain elements of any trip they take are necessary security measures provided for any President at any location and those costs are born by the taxpayer. It is illegal for Obama to have the taxpayers pay for a private trip to Hawaii. He pays for his lodgings out of his own tickets, and Michelle Obama reimburses the taxpayers for plane tickets when security requires her to ride Air Force one to travel.

If you have proof otherwise, provide it. Stop with the pointless innuendo. Because I know this is b.s. and I know you can't prove it.

 

[Jack Springer]

The Obamas did. Certain elements of any trip they take are necessary security measures provided for any President at any location and those costs are born by the taxpayer. It is illegal for Obama to have the taxpayers pay for a private trip to Hawaii. He pays for his lodgings out of his own tickets, and Michelle Obama reimburses the taxpayers for plane tickets when security requires her to ride Air Force one to travel.

If you have proof otherwise, provide it. Stop with the pointless innuendo. Because I know this is b.s. and I know you can't prove it.

You're right, I can't prove it. (Obama just happens to be the current POTUS)

My question is what did McDonnell do that other politicians don't do?

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Well, this is essentially the McDonnell's defense. According to their lawyers "you would have to arrest every politician in America today" or something along those lines if the Feds get a conviction. They claim the government is overreaching and has no case. Supposedly only pursuing the case for political reasons.

I'm going to opine that's a pitiful defense, unbecoming a Governor of my State.

But is it true?

 

[CowboyBob]

Unless a sugar daddy comes to the rescue soon, it doesn't look good for Bob and the Missus. They only have $2000 in their legal defense fund and donations aren't coming in.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...1649c2-8395-11e3-9dd4-e7278db80d86_story.html

 

[Kulindahr]

If he's guilty, he should go to prison and join the several democrat governors from Illinois there.

LOL

A prison governors' club.

 

[Kulindahr]

Again, I ask you who paid from the Obama family's month long vacation in Hawaii and Michelle's big birthday bash?

You know, it's interesting that I'm watching a Star Trek: NG episode right now that concerns the very thing you're doing: accusation by innuendo. You resent no facts, you make no real argument; you only besmirch by "questions" and suppositions. What the Star Trek episode sets forth, very nicely, is one of the same principles the Founding Fathers knew quite well: that once we begin down that path, there is no end. As a character in the show quotes:

"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

That chain begins with the murky approach you use, to defame others without evidence, to smear them without substance. It is a chain that rests on believing that others are guilty until proven innocent, merely because you say so, a chain that turns from solid discussion to drag the topic back to the smears and innuendo, away from facts and evidence and proof. It is a chain that will undermine in time any Republic, however mighty, because it rots the souls of the citizens by justifying their prejudice and their ignorance. It is a chain with links already in place, and here you eagerly strive to enable the addition of more.

The episode may be fiction, but the warning is real. Your method here is that used by every rabble rouser and demagogue to excite the choir to which he is preaching. There is no interest in persuasion, only in the presentation of one's position as righteous and untarnished, even untarnishable, just as there is no interest in actual information behind accusations so long as they sound as though they might possibly be true. It is not to reason you appeal with such a method, but to the animal instinct to classify the other as truly other, not worthy of respect. It is a tactic which despises the truth set out in the Declaration of Independence, that all men are created equal, and the proposition that government and political discourse should stand on reason.

Every man who proceeds in such a fashion should be disregarded and shunned as incapable of cognitive discourse ad an enemy of civilization.

 

[xbuzzerx]

You know, it's interesting that I'm watching a Star Trek: NG episode right now that concerns the very thing you're doing: accusation by innuendo. You resent no facts, you make no real argument; you only besmirch by "questions" and suppositions. What the Star Trek episode sets forth, very nicely, is one of the same principles the Founding Fathers knew quite well: that once we begin down that path, there is no end. As a character in the show quotes:

The Drumhead. Fantastic episode. Along with Measure of a Man.

 

[Kulindahr]

You're right, I can't prove it. (Obama just happens to be the current POTUS)

My question is what did McDonnell do that other politicians don't do?

Your question is both irrelevant and insulting to civilized standards of morality: one man's crimes cannot be excused by reference to those of others. To do so is to lower the level of ethics in government and in society as a whole, to drag us link by link toward a condition of corruption that knows nothing of the value of human beings or of justice, where all that counts is power and one's ability to destroy others by whatever means.

 

[Kulindahr]

The Drumhead. Fantastic episode. Along with Measure of a Man.

Picard, though again admittedly fictional, shows more understanding of liberty and equality than any right-wing politician or public figure I know of. That understanding is severely lacking on the left, but at least it can be found.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Picard, though again admittedly fictional, shows more understanding of liberty and equality than any right-wing politician or public figure I know of. That understanding is severely lacking on the left, but at least it can be found.

I would like to see corporations pass the judicial hearing for sentience that Data had to.

 

[Kulindahr]

I would like to see corporations pass the judicial hearing for sentience that Data had to.

The pieces of paper would just lay on the desk and say nothing.