Boehner Gives Obama a Deadline on Libya

[JB3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution



as for how and why people ignore and toy with the war powers act?

There is a belief that the war powers act is unconstitutional, usually held by whichever party is in power, and no one wants to test that in the supreme court. Both parties want the power when they hold the exec branch, but hate their opponents having it.



so once again...

Its all Kabuki theater by all sides with an exceptionally hostile GOP being driven by the radical right social angendistas and the Teabaggers.

If this could have won in court it would have by now. Let them test Obama now, and the hawks will turn to doves in front of an angry electorate.

Its good politics for Obama. He is playing the GOP on this one.

Boehner is outclassed in his job. He has been useless since he got in there, passing resolution after resolution that never sees the light of day in the senate and just withers away.

Wake me up when he writes legislation that makes Jobs, as he promised, or Writes a bill that the senate will consider and the president will sign.

Until then, the man is a useless drunk, desperate to regain the attention of the media.

I think you're underestimating how much he's pissed off Congress.

 

[BostonPirate]

when are they not?

From Birth certificates to apointtees to legislation... Every nuance of him is parsed into a new kind of hatred.

what makes this wolf cry different from any of the rest they have screamed since he took office...

DEATH PANELS

SOCIALIST

DOMESTIC TERRORIST

BLAAAAAACK!!!!!!!


RUUUUUNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[maxpowr9]

only 26% of Americans supporting the Libyan engagement is what hopefully makes it different

It's the pussyfooting with "just war" (another good oxymoron) tactics that make the recent Middle East conflicts insufferable. Get in there, take out the bastard and move on.

 

[BostonPirate]

only 26% of Americans supporting the Libyan engagement is what hopefully makes it different

what, that makes it easier to politicize a posibly unconstitutional law that neither party wants tested in court?

all in the name of an election.

HA

love the way the GOP thinks. Rabid and without conceince.

Sharks have more concern for their prey than the GOP does for legal warfare and a weaker presidency.

wasn't it Cheney that said Obama was dismantling Dubyas power grab, and it was a bad idea?

yeah... that will get to court. Then we can litigate the war crimes of the Bush Torture program. Like that will ever happen either.


Theater boys.. its all theater.

 

[BostonPirate]

Boehner could have let that vote go through and this may have been on the doorstep of Kusinich. Boner sabotaged the bill to end the war. He is not interested in the war. he is interested in prosecuting the president.

He knew what he was doing a week ago when he sidelined kusinich for that weak rebuke about ground troops.

Its all bullshit. from everyone and from all sides.

We have more pressing things to do than squabble about munition sales to NATO.

 

[bankside]

kallipolis, I would not quibble with the essence of what you've said except with the idea that the United States "ceded control" to NATO. From my reading of the news, it never had control to cede.

The mission was a French idea; France put together the parameters, and it was from its very early days a multilateral intervention.

 

[rareboy]

So effectively what the US is saying is that it is okay for them to draw other allies into unresolvable conflict and wars of adventure in countries like Iraq, but that the US is not going to live up to the treaty obligations to other NATO countries?

 

[jackoroe]

So effectively what the US is saying is that it is okay for them to draw other allies into unresolvable conflict and wars of adventure in countries like Iraq, but that the US is not going to live up to the treaty obligations to other NATO countries?

Could you please cite for us all, in the NATO agreement, where it says that we have to assist in bombing a country for humanitarian purposes because the French (of all people) say so?

Let's be very clear. No one has been attacked by Libya. It's a civil war. On one side, there are less than 1000 people who hate Ghadaffi but don't posess the technical sophistication to fire a missile in the proper direction. On the other, the Grecian Formula spokesman.

Help me out . What the fuck are we doing there? Remember Obama's words it will take "Days, not weeks." He said that three months ago.

 

[Seasoned]

And all I can remember is mission accomplished in Iraq. The Bay of Pigs was supposed to take out Castro. There are behind the scenes political and corporate agendas that have always taken us to meddling. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't, but they are nearly always a mistake. It's not a Democratic or a Republican issue; it is one of our American flaws. We know best. Oh, brother. We do have jingoism in our blood, don't we?

 

[BostonPirate]

unfortunately, the founders saw fit to give Congress more responsibilities than conjuring jobs from thin air.

my understanding is that we're not selling so much as giving, and even the lend-lease program was approved by Congress.

its interesting then that other congresses in our history have risen to the occasion and somehow created plans that not only healed, but brought prosperity to the nation through legislation.

Thin air is not how you describe the nations small business community. They need customers, and they need less overhead. More inlay less outlay. The small businesses are the barometer of the nations economic forecast. If we create policies that take all the corporate wellfare from bloated corporations that pay no ttaxes as they reap huge rewards, and we give the break to the smaller ones instead, we would make jobs.

That is just the simple bottom line. why give so much to the tax exempt mega corps and ignore the trapped small businesses across the nation slowly languishing. Close the tax loopholes and make businesses with a value of one mill or less tax exempt status, and we would have money coming in via sales taxes locally, and a nave more income taxes being collected as the unemployment rate.

Move a base from Germany to the middle of the heartland, and develop Fuel efficiency through R&D. The US millitary is the worlds largest consumer of Oil. IF it becomes more fuel efficent, and can then sell fuel efficiency tech to other nations militaries, it could open up the world economy, and make mid eastern oil irellevant.

There are practical ways to create jobs through strategic reconsideration of our global priorities. Laws can and have been written that do this. make the big business carry the corporate tax burden of the nation for a while since they wont hire no matter how much they make, and lift it off the shoulders of the small guys that will actually hire an average joe. Bring The military home, near towns that need the influx of the soldiers on base, and research something simple that makes the troublemaker nations, irelevant.

Unfortunately ideology and partisans block them for one reason or another, and we have a house of reps that cant legislate, and an Exec that is burried in the subterfuge of obstructionsim.

 

[BostonPirate]

Kusinich may just me more effective than Boner.

Boner is grand standing.

Kusinich believes in what he is saying.

You DO realize that Boehner killed these peoples legislation, right? Why isn't he equally culpable, in your eyes??

 

[rareboy]

Well apparently in Canada, we think differently this time around. Canada has approved extending our support for the Libyan people in this struggle until September and has recognized the 'rebel' Council.

The Canadian government has recognized Libya’s rebel council as the legitimate voice of the country’s people, opening diplomatic ties with the fractious and murky umbrella organization for the opposition to Moammar Gadhafi.

And as Parliament delivered overwhelming support for a 3 1/2-month extension to Canada’s military mission on Tuesday – only Green Party Leader Elizabeth May, citing a concern about mission creep, voted against it – the NDP warned it won’t back any more extensions or support participation in a long-running civil war.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...awa-backs-anti-gadhafi-rebels/article2060025/
There is no right answer is there?

So Boehner is absolutely right to do what he's doing.

I guess we'll all get to see how this turns out.

 

[maxpowr9]

When will the US go back to guns vs butter policy? I don't even think the US Government knows what butter is never mind how to make it.

 

[MystikWizard]

I, for one, am happy that a bipartisan group is threatening legal action. Obama was dead wrong getting us involved in Libya. Here, he campaigned against George Bush's Foreign Policies ... but he goes right around and involves us in Libya ... for what reason?

Libya was not threatening the United States in any way, and this was clearly a mission of choice on the part of Obama.

One of the key reasons Obama was put into office was to get away from crap like sticking our nose in every little affair across the globe ... and instead concentrate on the issues within our own borders. So Obama deserves every bit of heat he gets on this issue. As far as I see, he was wrong on involving the US in this affair.

Was he legally wrong not to consult Congress? Well, that depends on if you refer to this as a "war" or not. Clearly, the Obama Admin is not calling it a war, where as his opponents feel it is one.

 

[CowboyBob]

Kusinich may just me more effective than Boner.

Boner is grand standing.

Kusinich believes in what he is saying.

You DO realize that Boehner killed these peoples legislation, right? Why isn't he equally culpable, in your eyes??

I'd rather see Boehner grandstanding than what he usually does.....

The Weeper of the House is one serious mental case.

The GOP (Gestapo on Parade) sure picked themselves a Lulu here.

 

[Jack Springer]

I'd rather see Boehner grandstanding than what he usually does.....

The Weeper of the House is one serious mental case.

The GOP (Gestapo on Parade) sure picked themselves a Lulu here.

It's what you do best Bob. Make fun of people.

Off topic again.

On subject. We should never have been in Libya -- there is nothing there concerning our national interests.

 

[chrisrobin]

Maazel Tov

Please Google: U.S. Constitution - Separation of Powers.

 

[CowboyBob]

It's what you do best Bob. Make fun of people.

Off topic again.

On subject. We should never have been in Libya -- there is nothing there concerning our national interests.

So you disagree Boehner cries?

This thread is about Boehner. He cries. That's on topic.

 

[JB3]

what, that makes it easier to politicize a posibly unconstitutional law that neither party wants tested in court?

all in the name of an election.

HA

love the way the GOP thinks. Rabid and without conceince.

Sharks have more concern for their prey than the GOP does for legal warfare and a weaker presidency.

wasn't it Cheney that said Obama was dismantling Dubyas power grab, and it was a bad idea?

yeah... that will get to court. Then we can litigate the war crimes of the Bush Torture program. Like that will ever happen either.


Theater boys.. its all theater.

I don't think it is. With the reaction he gave to Congress tonight (essentially 'fuck you, leave me alone, I'll do what I want') this isn't going to end well for him.

In other words: batten down the hatches boys, its about to get messy up in here.

 

[NineOfClubs]

I'm glad to see *some* in Congress are standing up to the Executive branch, especially one of my favorite dem's, Kucinich.

All recent Presidents have expanded the "imperial presidency" and the end result will be that someday our Congress could be nothing more than a showplace, like the Roman Senate under the emperors.