Border control

[construct]

construct, I love your posts...lol

Oh, I forgot about the administrative and regulatory costs of my jobs program. We'll have to raise both the long-term and short-term capital gains tax rate to 36% and make the new part of the income tax steeply graduated so that income in excess of $5,000,000 would be taxed at 90%. To help out businesses, we'll include lots of loopholes--loopholes on top of loopholes--for things like job creation, new business start-ups, research and development, equipment upgrades, things like that. There. That fixes that.

 

[bankside]

Well, I think most countries have lax border control in one way or another.

 

[rareboy]

Oh, I forgot about the administrative and regulatory costs of my jobs program. We'll have to raise both the long-term and short-term capital gains tax rate to 36% and make the new part of the income tax steeply graduated so that income in excess of $5,000,000 would be taxed at 90%. To help out businesses, we'll include lots of loopholes--loopholes on top of loopholes--for things like job creation, new business start-ups, research and development, equipment upgrades, things like that. There. That fixes that.

You could always just hand the project to Halliburton, invade Canada for the oil resources and fund it that way.

Isn't that how Iraq was supposed to work?

 

[cocksucker4use]

To get back on topic, perhaps....when I travel for business, it is surprising in the EU, and especially in Belgim that you pretty much walk through customs and wave...coming in, anyway. In any evernt much of international travel across borders isn't as threatening or invasive as going from Phoenix to LA under the contorl of TSA. Some countries, like New Zealand who have stricter immigration laws and so many folks wanting to land there that it they are stricter are more....uh....structured in their approach. Your passport has to be more than six months from expiring, or you can't get in.

The borders and coastlines of our nation are so vast that we cannot possibly control who or what gets in. It would be possible to build physical barriers/walls and monitor them electronically at some tremendous cost and even then have to employ probably tens of thousands of people to staff it.

And....the bad guys will get in when and where they want to, no matter what we do. However, the naked, huddled masses thirsting for the promise of freedom and yearning to breathe free can be excluded from the our blessed Fatherland by such measures.

 

[rareboy]

I must say that I loathe going through some of the land border crossings when we go into the US.

Some of the guards a few years ago were beyond rude.

After many complaints, it has been better over the last year, but I wanted to tell the one guard who challenged us as to what we were going to do in Boston one time that I planned on going to the harbour, wait for the fleet to come in and then watch his mother give blowjobs to the sailors for a buck.

 

[grantt]

No, sir. I blithely refuse to so much as consider any one of those things.

Then you are in the minority and I am not talking race. Strong medicine is needed to secure our border. It is needed now.

 

[Kulindahr]

How about not treating Mexico as a source of cheap third world labour and require the companies that shipped all their manufacturing to Mexico and hire illegal Mexicans at pennies on the dollar pay the same wage as they would to a US or Canadian worker.

It would make the dream of actually making a decent wage a reality and I'm sure that Mexicans would have no more interest moving to the US than I would.

Interesting requirement.

The result would be even more jobs heading overseas, not just across the border. It would increase poverty in the U.S. and Mexico both.

Though it might work if instead of the same wage, i.e. same dollar amount, you required the same wage proportional to the cost of living.

Well, I've been thinking. Building the wall might not be such a bad idea. The government could hire workers to build the wall and, I suppose, to handle whatever infrastructure needs might be noticed through a big-ass government program that would last indefinitely. It would be paid for partly by raising the long-term capital gains tax rate to 28%. The rest would be paid for by a graduated income tax from which the first $30,000 per individual filer would be exempt. There would be greater exemptions based on the number of exemptions claimed on the return.

There you have it--a wall that has no impact of the national debt. It has the added advantage of redistributing wealth from the rich to the poor, increasing the velocity of money circulating, and lowering the unemployment rate. I love it when a single solution ameliorates several problems at once.

You forgot one item that kills two more birds with the same stone: in front of the wall put a canal. A real wall should be wide and tall, so make it earth-fill and take the earth from right there/

That way we'd have a new transportation corridor, gulf to gulf, and something a lot harder to tunnel under.

Oh -- illegals from the southern direction could be called "wetbacks" again, too.

 

[Kulindahr]

BTW, WRT the Canadian border:

I once met a backpacker on his way north in Washington State, far from paved roads. He'd gone to visit friends in Canada before Bush had his goons made the border nastier, and found getting back, not leaving Canada but re-entering the U.S., a pain in the butt.

Then the Canadians played tit-for-tat with Bush, and getting into Canada suddenly became impossible for him. But getting home the first time had been easy enough: he bought a good pack and gear, and just hiked one of the mountain trails across the border and caught a bus home -- so now when he wants to visit friends in Canada, he goes backpacking.

 

[JayHawk]

There is no doubt that any fence or lock for that matter is easily defeated with time. They are talking of a deterrent not a permanent solution. I bet Arizona would be happy to just have a wall on their state. Then all the crime and added cost can filter into the other states.

Many of you are correct in saying if only the police would do their fucking job. The feds should do one thing. Pass a federal law forbidding sanctuary cities and sanctuary laws. Pretty simple. And if it is done federally then it can be for Irish, Mexicans, or Haitians. See look no discrimination.

I agree that it is tougher getting into the US than any other country I have visited. Of course then again when I had my 14 years old jeep I never locked the doors and left the keys in the cup holder. Who the fuck would want it?

Same condition applies to the US of A... either make work better in Mexico or make illegal work actually penalized here in the great satan. Remove the great satan free medical services to those not a citizen.... maybe even stop citizenship based upon where your smegma covered ass hatched....


I have always thought the border surveillance fence whether electronic or real brick and mortar would be an excellent way for the govt to spur the economy via spending tax money or fake money since we dont collect enough taxes. Every economist on the planet will tell you that either you let us actually do a market correction which would be far fucking worse than the current economy OR you keep spending cash for ten years at the rates we have been spending. We are too mamby pamby to actually suck it up and let to the two to five year correction occur so we will suffer through ten to fifteen years of recession like growth. Since we will spend that money anyhow we might as well reap infrastructure rewards. Maybe say fuck the wall and replace or repair bridges and roadways and water services and sewage systems.....

 

[vulgar_newcomer]

people keep bringing race into the immigration debate, but has anyone actually advocating treating illegal immigrants from Mexico/Central/South America any differently than illegal immigrants from eastern Europe or Asia?

I think the GOP wants them all out.

I agree. I have family members who are Mexican and they are white as far as I can ever tell.
My first long term bf was from Mexico and we often were mistaken for Brothers, and my roots are from northern Europe.

National Geographic did a great report on how dangerous it is for people, and there are many thousands a year to cross the southern border from Guatemala and El Salvador heading through Mexico to get to the USA, It appears there is a lot of hatred and prejudice amongst Mexicans towards the peoples to their south. Many people trying to migrate out of those 3rd world hell holes disappear once they get into Mexico. It is a desperate situation that should be shown more to prove the point of what makes a person go to such drastic measures,
Why it seems so easy to think that prejudice is unique to just the USA baffles my mind.

It also isn't noted enough that a lot of illegals in the USA are in fact from El Salvador and other Central American Countries. All seemed to be lumped as Mexicans.

But I don't think race is the over riding factor, if Sweden was where Mexico is and in a similar condition the same thing would be happening. Of course the other side of that is that Haitians are returned to their Country if they make it to Florida and Cubans do not. Some claim this is racial disguised as political.

One of the lies with NAFTA was that it would bring the standard of living to the USA's south up instead it has brought all down. But the corporations knew that from the get go, however that was what was passed on to the public. I believe most in the Government knew this as well. Most Americans knew it.

 

[Kulindahr]

^
NAFTA has increased Mexican prosperity, but almost immeasurably except in the border areas. If we were dealing with a country the size of Lithuania, for example, the change would be radically evident rapidly. But Mexico's economy has a lot of inertia, and change takes time.

Not that we're helping at all just now, with our own messed up.