BREAKING — President Obama Will Announce Today Complete Drawdown of US Troops in Iraq

[JayHawk]

Reality is Reality and you all can ignore it all you would like. Obama WANTED to stay and ensure a positive forward.

It is not negative to state the truth regardless of how wet or dry it makes your panties.

 

[JB3]

This is it right here. No matter what the President of the United States does, he will be booed. It doesn't matter.

He's does it too fast, he does it too slow. Every single decision he's ever made is wrong. He goes along with the republicans then he's called weak or isn't "leading". He goes against republicans then he's wrong.

It amazes me the pettiness of the republicans. They simply hate him.

"I hope he fails", squirts the drug addict Rush Limbaugh.

"Our goal is to make Obama a one term President", oinks chinless Mitch McConnell.

"He's Kenyan, arab, socialist, communist.....blah, blah...."

These unfortunate Obama haters are the real threat to America. There are the true terrorists.

Can you imagine how much better he would be doing if he didn't have these republican obstructionists nipping at his heels at every step?

Except he didn't do anything. Iraq told him to take the troops home. He had no choice.

Of course it is a positive thing that they're coming home, and that we're leaving. (well, positive for us. Iraq is going to turn into a shit-show in relatively little time after we leave) But let's get real for a minute and acknowledge the fact that the decision was not the President's because Iraq told him to take the troops, take the equipment, and take the bases (no, they will not be allowed to remain in existence) and GTFO of the country.

 

[cocksucker4use]

Iraq WAS a strong stable country. Then, the U.S. invaded without any moral or legal justification that wasn't fabricated. Blew the place apart, dismantled the government and had no plan as to what to do next. The NeoCons that dictated Dubya's MidEast policy expected the Iraqis to rally and jump all over democracy. We have squandered so much blood and treasure and have no more to show for it than we did ten years ago.

Tens of thousands of Americans killed and wounded, millions of Iraqis dead, wounded and/or displaced. A generation dead, maimed, scarred and for what?

We have a clear choice. IF we want to control Iraq for whatever purpose, then we have to maintain substantial numbers of troops there for years to come. At the end of that time, be it 1, 5, 10 or 20 years, the Shi'ite majority will rise up and claim their majority rights in any kind of democracy. Only if we find another ruthless dictator to shore up will we be able to leave with any assurance the lid is going to stay on.

 

[Just_Believe18]

Hi, Jack. I was hoping to hear a response back from you, but you've replied to everyone else except me.

 

[chrisrobin]

Except he didn't do anything. Iraq told him to take the troops home. He had no choice.

Yet another half-truth. The exit date (12/31/11) was set forth by the Bush administration.

**epic fail**

 

[palbert]

Now that we're leaving Bush/Cheney's Iraq debacle - the debate over the how and the why are to little profit, can anyone give me a rational reason why we went into Aghanistan, and are still there?

 

[chrisrobin]

yes, but as recently as 2 weeks ago, the Obama administration was talking about leaving thousands of soldiers in Iraq. it wasn't until their immunity demands were rejected that the number got scaled back to 150 just to protect the embassy.

That was probably due to our Secretary of State. As a woman, she has the prerogative of changing her mind. Besides, "talking about" and the actual fact are at times, quite different.

 

[Kulindahr]

Yet another half-truth. The exit date (12/31/11) was set forth by the Bush administration.

**epic fail**

Except what Bush meant by "exit" included bases all over Iraq with thousands of troops at each one. Thanks to Rumsfeld, Bush had the insane notion that the Iraqis would be happy to have us occupy part of their country like the Kuwaitis were.

 

[rareboy]

There's no question that Halliburton Co. under Cheney/Rumsfeld had this idea of permanent occupation and forward bases on the doorstep of Iran, the emirates and other middle eastern nations.

It was meant to be a permanent employment scheme funded by the oil wealth of the occupied host country.

Funny how life turns out isn't it?

 

[JayHawk]

Lions and Tigers and Bears oh my....

Libs defending a war stance.... Conservatives arguing against...

Is this the twilight zone?

LOL.

Partizan Politik.

 

[JB3]

Yet another half-truth. The exit date (12/31/11) was set forth by the Bush administration.

**epic fail**

[text removed] Obama and the State department have been negotiating with Iraq for the last several months on keeping several thousand US troops in Iraq, along with all of the bases. He had every intention of keeping troops there under a new training mission.

But the Iraqis wouldn't agree to the immunity of soldiers, so they told Obama to take the troops and go home. He didn't make the decision; the Iraqis made it for him.

 

[Kulindahr]

^
Obama has been Bush, following the same plan. Happily, the Iraqis aren't interested in being a U.S. occupied territory.

 

[JayHawk]

It is a financial fallout and them troops coming home are going to join the proud fucks on wall streets around america... to defend them from the cops... at least that's what OWS hopes...

 

[JB3]

^
Obama has been Bush, following the same plan. Happily, the Iraqis aren't interested in being a U.S. occupied territory.

True. However, everyone should still be very concerned about what's going to happen when we leave. (mainly, because nobody knows the answer to that question)

 

[Centexfarmer]

True. However, everyone should still be very concerned about what's going to happen when we leave. (mainly, because nobody knows the answer to that question)

I'd be more concerned about how our troops are going to respond when they get back and find our economy is in ruins, there aren't any jobs, and Republicans want to cut their benefits.

 

[willie metcaffe]

Staying any longer in Iraq would amount to imperialism and neocolonization. Their govt wants us to leave---we leave. What'll happen next? Who knows? We should be worrying about Afghanistan as we should have done long before---thank you Pres. Bush! And we should continue to fight al qaeda. As our current president has been doing.

 

[Kulindahr]

It is a financial fallout and them troops coming home are going to join the proud fucks on wall streets around america... to defend them from the cops... at least that's what OWS hopes...

I'm hoping that more cops will decide to turn peace officer instead of words-on-paper-are-more-important-than-people officer.

As for the vets -- they'd certainly bring some discipline to the camps.

 

[unclaimedblessing]

One of the factors not mentioned above is the dissention which has always been a factor in the Middle East.
It has always been divisive and usually futile to get the various elements to agree on any issue (except perhaps a common enemy and we were the convenient common enemy).

Without us there the thousand year old hatreds will probably resurface violently; be they ethnic, religious or tribal. But, the presence of foreign forces and the waving of the American, British or UN flags only were a temporary deterrent (at the cost of hundreds of thousand lives and billions of dollars).

We shouldn't have been there at all, and the worst is yet to come; so leaving now is as good a time as any.

 

[Kulindahr]

One of the factors not mentioned above is the dissention which has always been a factor in the Middle East.
It has always been divisive and usually futile to get the various elements to agree on any issue (except perhaps a common enemy and we were the convenient common enemy).

Without us there the thousand year old hatreds will probably resurface violently; be they ethnic, religious or tribal. But, the presence of foreign forces and the waving of the American, British or UN flags only were a temporary deterrent (at the cost of hundreds of thousand lives and billions of dollars).

We shouldn't have been there at all, and the worst is yet to come; so leaving now is as good a time as any.

Without us us having been there, both Iran and Iraq would be healthy democracies after the fashion of Turkey. It was our smashing of their aspirations that sent them back to tribalism.

 

[Ambrocious]

Without us us having been there, both Iran and Iraq would be healthy democracies after the fashion of Turkey. It was our smashing of their aspirations that sent them back to tribalism.

I agree with this completely. There is more happening behind the scenes than meets the eye here. Obama may be bringing the troops home from Iraq but that's only because he's going to expand the war somewhere new now. Mark my words, Obama is not a man of peace, not really.

I can't see how so many people can still have this love of Obama. I'm not attacking Obama for his party or race even...he's a liar about 95 percent of the time. To the public eye, he is a people pleaser. To those who know and understand what is really happening, we know what is really happening. I use to post on here so much about what is really happening and out of frustration from seeing that people were so caught up in the deception, I left.

The wars will rage on. Peace in this false tense CAN NOT last. There is so much more happening than what they tell us and show us. Click on my "Information For The Discerned" button for some documentaries that will explain a lot about what I believe. No more time for pretending this isn't real.